Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XI *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

wadacrack

Bit of a surge in hospitalization in Limerick. 2 to 14 in the past week.

https://www.rte.ie/news/regional/2021/0524/1223622-covid-limerick/

Graham

Stormyteacup wrote: »

if those measures could be used to put a plaster on our broken health system, and they could be employed without costing the government anything then they may use them - and their function would not be to primarily prevent the spread of Covid.

Ohh goody more non-covid related lockdown conspiracy theories.

:rolleyes:

Stormyteacup

Graham wrote: »

Ohh goody more non-covid related lockdown conspiracy theories.

:rolleyes:

You cannot accept any scenario unrelated to Covid where restrictions are used to relieve pressure on our hospitals?

OwenM

Boggles wrote: »

So we shouldn't look at any other variables, just whatever happens in England we mimic?

Don't think we have much to worry about




https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/apr/21/covid-uk-coronavirus-cases-deaths-and-vaccinations-today

Graham

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

We should consider other variables. To not use the fact we have a neighbouring country that's further along with vaccinations to our advantage would be foolish though.

It's definitely worth keeping an eye on the UK to see what has/hasn't worked.

Boggles

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

We should consider other variables. To not use the fact we have a neighbouring country that's further along with vaccinations to our advantage would be foolish though.

So now we should look at own data and how the disease is progressing here and not just other countries?

Where did you get the idea we are not closely monitoring what is happening especially in the UK?

Graham

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

Agreed. So assuming all stays stable here after outdoor dining reopens in June, and there are no signs of the UK having to roll back on their reopening, why not open indoor here on July 1st?

Nothing has been announced yet so I don't really see the point of getting into guessing games around why the unannounced thing may or may not happen on the dates you're guessing.

Boggles

Stormyteacup wrote: »

Unlikely we will have ‘enough’ vaccinated. There’s a reason Ireland has the highest percentage of people willing to take a vaccine - and it’s not because we are higher-evolved, better civic-minded people that the rest of the Worlds citizens. There were enough hints and muddy waters to convey the idea that the vaccine (along with helping us get to herd immunity), would provide bonuses re social activities and travel.

Nope, the travel thing is being driven by Europe, predominately by the countries whose GDP relies heavily on tourism.

As for bonuses for other activities, we haven't gone down this route.

The likes of Israel or Denmark (corona pass), have.

So your thesis that the Irish are willing to take a vaccinate predominately because of blackmail has no bearing on reality.

Boggles

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

Indoor dining is opening today in NI. It's been open in England since the 17th. By the end of June, it will be pretty clear what the impact of that reopening will be.

So you have changed your mind again?

We should consider other variables

Boggles

OwenM wrote: »

Don't think we have much to worry about

I'd be extremely optimistic, unfortunately concrete data takes time accumulate
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Stormyteacup

Boggles wrote: »

Nope, the travel thing is being driven by Europe, predominately by the countries whose GDP relies heavily on tourism.

As for bonuses for other activities, we haven't gone down this route.

The likes of Israel or Denmark (corona pass), have.

So your thesis that the Irish are willing to take a vaccinate predominately because of blackmail has no bearing on reality.

Hardly blackmail. Incentives were implied for getting vaccinated.

Perhaps you have a better thesis on why the Irish have the highest percentage in Europe willing to take the vaccine?

Boggles

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

No.

All going well 4th of July, Independence Day - Open the Pubs.

Then we will move onto how Tony is trying to stop people getting the shift, open the nightclubs immediately!!!

Boggles

Stormyteacup wrote: »

Hardly blackmail. Incentives were implied for getting vaccinated.

That is blackmail.

Glynn stated multiple times he was not a fan and they wouldn't needed anyway.

Now unless you can prove your thesis with something resembling reality, I'd day your done with it.

But even if we were to pretend the Digital Travel Cert is the reason that 96% of people say they will take a vaccine, that's ultimately a good thing correct?

I mean I have no plans on leaving the country this year and I'll be availing of a vaccine when I get called.

I must be a blackmailed sheeple, correct?

Stormyteacup wrote: »

Perhaps you have a better thesis on why the Irish have the highest percentage in Europe willing to take the vaccine?

Our relationship predominately down to education around vaccinations has changed drastically in the mast 20 years, particular child vaccinations.

Boggles

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

Come again?

When we do open the pubs, a vocal cohort will be online the second they are demanding Nightclubs reopen.

Klonker

Graham wrote: »

Ohh goody more non-covid related lockdown conspiracy theories.

:rolleyes:

I think you need to look up what conspiracy theory means. People worried or guessing at future actions of a group is not a conspiracy theory. But I guess it's easier throwing out that line than arguing your point.

Stormyteacup

Boggles wrote: »

That is blackmail.

Glynn stated multiple times he was not a fan and they wouldn't needed anyway.

Now unless you can prove your thesis with something resembling reality, I'd day your done with it.

But even if we were to pretend the Digital Travel Cert is the reason that 96% of people say they will take a vaccine, that's ultimately a good thing correct?

I mean I have no plans on leaving the country this year and I'll be availing of a vaccine when I get called.

I must be a blackmailed sheeple, correct?



Our relationship predominately down to education around vaccinations has changed drastically in the mast 20 years, particular child vaccinations.

It really isn’t blackmail! Suggest you look up the meaning of blackmail.

Alluding to possible rewards to create a demand for something that is for the good of the population is most definitely not blackmail.

Ah - I see your thesis on why we are more likely to take the vaccine than other nations is because we are better educated than the rest of Europe.

Boggles

Stormyteacup wrote: »

It really isn’t blackmail! Suggest you look up the meaning of blackmail.

Alluding to possible rewards to create a demand for something that is for the good of the population is most definitely not blackmail.

Ah - I see your thesis on why we are more likely to take the vaccine than other nations is because we are better educated than the rest of Europe.

Jesus, we really are struggling to manufacture negatives lately.

The fact that polls indicate 96% of Irish Adults are willing to take the vaccine is a wonderful thing, an amazing positive.

For some bizarre reason you have highlighted vaccine hesitancy in other European counties who actually have tangible vaccine bonuses and will sign up to the exact same EU driven Digital Vaccine Passport.

But the reason according to you that Ireland has a high percentage of the populous willing to take a vaccine is because the same EU driven Digital Vaccine Passport.

Absolute nonsense.

timmyntc

wadacrack wrote: »

Bit of a surge in hospitalization in Limerick. 2 to 14 in the past week.

https://www.rte.ie/news/regional/2021/0524/1223622-covid-limerick/

At such small numbers you cant really tell if its a surge or just a statistical anomaly.
These things will only become clear over larger period of time than 1 week

Also keep in mind there is no distinction made between admitted with covid, and hospital acquired infection. They could well have all gotten it inside.

Stormyteacup

Boggles wrote: »

Jesus, we really are struggling to manufacture negatives lately.

The fact that polls indicate 96% of Irish Adults are willing to take the vaccine is a wonderful thing, an amazing positive.

For some bizarre reason you have highlighted vaccine hesitancy in other European counties who actually have tangible vaccine bonuses and will sign up to the exact same EU driven Digital Vaccine Passport.

But the reason according to you that Ireland has a high percentage of the populous willing to take a vaccine is because the same EU driven Digital Vaccine Passport.

Absolute nonsense.

You’re determined I think the high percentage of Irish people willing to take the vaccine is a bad thing.

Let’s just clear that up simple as possible for you - I don’t think it’s a bad thing, I think it’s a very good thing that will speed our way out of this colossal mess.

I listed a few incentives for vaccine uptake that were bandied about early on but you’re fixated on the EU driven digital cert (note the absence of the word vaccine there - important because, like you, many still believe to get a digital travel cert you need to be vaccinated).

The only nonsense is the fact that you believe Irish people are more likely to take a vaccine is because they are better educated on vaccines than the rest of Europe.

I’ll leave you to continue to fail to comprehend my posts, while I do what I should have long ago, as so many here have already done, and use the ignore function (congrats, you’re my first:)).

User1998

Graham wrote: »

Ohh goody more non-covid related lockdown conspiracy theories.

:rolleyes:

Why are you ridiculing people who fear there will be another lockdown this Winter? Its absolutely a possibility that there will be another surge this winter and restrictions put in place. You obviously put a lot of trust in the government if your absolutely ruling out further restrictions this Winter.

Me personally I think there will be restrictions put in place but not to the extent of level 3/5. But iff there was another lockdown you would be the first one here sticking up for the government and telling us all how necessary it is yet here you are making fun of posters who suggest it may happen

:rolleyes:

Graham

Boggles wrote: »

The fact that polls indicate 96% of Irish Adults are willing to take the vaccine is a wonderful thing, an amazing positive.

Stormyteacup wrote: »

You’re determined I think the high percentage of Irish people willing to take the vaccine is a bad thing.

huh

gozunda

Richard Hillman wrote: »

Unlike most countries, one thing our Government/NPHET have never promised us is a return to full freedom. Its very notable they have not once have they mentioned it.

Whereas in the UK they are setting targets for things like full crowds at events, non mask wearing, people returning to offices.

I will bet my left testicle that if Masks mandates were removed at the end of Summer (of which is unlikely), Holohan or the other NPHETers will be calling for masks in winter.

Its very important that we do not let them normalise restrictions and rules. The world is littered with Temporary/Emergency things that ended up lasting forever.

Ara get away with that. You say "the UK they are setting targets for things like full crowds at events, non mask wearing, people returning to offices". So they are and they're miles ahead of us with vaccinations. And imhp a lot of it is Boris blowing smoke rings, with his fingers crossed behind bis back - hoping to god he can deliver all that before the mob gets him.

But no the UK haven't promised a "return to full freedom". There hoping that their vaccination programme will carry them through the summer when they say restrictions will be rolled back with the provisio that things are unpredictable.

Not much different here except were about 1-2 months behind all told.

Personally I don't want to be given some magic date when everything will be absolutely rosey again - not because it won't happen - but I don't believe we need stuff made up just to appease the public here.

Most everyone knows there's no negotiating with this virus. Our best bet atm is stream ahead and get as many as possible vaccinated and take it a step at a time. I for one don't want to end up with some emergency brake being applied cos we have to give in to populous demands that we want what we want and we want it asap or wtte.

And yeah the virus will probably will be around next winter but hopefully at that time - it will be just another illness which will require an annual vaccination.

That said much of the rest of the world is not necessarily going to be at the same point. So we will still have to be aware of that when going abroad etc.

Graham

User1998 wrote: »

Why are you ridiculing people who fear there will be another lockdown this Winter?

Read my posts again, you have obviously misinterpreted them.

I don't expect there to be lockdowns this winter primarily because of the vaccination program, but yes there may be a slight risk which is why nothing is being rules out/guaranteed however unlikely it's looking.

The ridiculous is the suggestion we'll be seeing flu lockdowns. It's pure conspiracy theory nonsense based on nothing.

Gael23

Indoor dining pushed back to mid July

alentejo

Gael23 wrote: »

Indoor dining pushed back to mid July

How do you know this?

Graham

Gael23 wrote: »

Indoor dining pushed back to mid July

Is that a question, statement, prediction, official announcement?

Gael23

alentejo wrote: »

How do you know this?

http://jrnl.ie/5446325f?fbclid=IwAR3w9RDKDGE6vhQsQlyRV3E4twVGuf-QletPQIrrPT1n4OOhHfx022eiNEQ

Boggles

Stormyteacup wrote: »

I listed a few incentives for vaccine uptake that were bandied about early on

No you didn't. There is no incentives, Glynn was against them from the start and stated it multiples of times.

Either way the poll I referenced was taken in the last week.

But again for some bizarre reason you think our high uptake is down to some incentives that certainly don't exist now and never did.

bear1

Gael23 wrote: »

http://jrnl.ie/5446325f?fbclid=IwAR3w9RDKDGE6vhQsQlyRV3E4twVGuf-QletPQIrrPT1n4OOhHfx022eiNEQ

Suggests.

FlubberJones

Gael23 wrote: »

http://jrnl.ie/5446325f?fbclid=IwAR3w9RDKDGE6vhQsQlyRV3E4twVGuf-QletPQIrrPT1n4OOhHfx022eiNEQ

This daft streak of piss you call a leader

Martin repeated the government’s preference that “outdoor is best” for the summer and that “indoor has been challenging” with respect to controlling the outbreak of Covid-19.

He is aware of what summer looks like here... its **** and he really needs to cop the **** on.