Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XI *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

OwenM wrote: »

Yes, I would say it's not feasible to have nurses doing it. Self administered tests might work, you are handed a test at the start of a queue or in a holding area and you can leave it when you have your negative result.

You'd still need many trained professionals to over see it.

I can't really see that being feasible going forward either TBH. If you think about it would be an absolute nightmare.

I can see testing stations at the likes of electric picnic, etc.

But no, mass testing of 10s of 1000s of people on entry to an event, it's not practical, also I imagine the cost would be quite prohibitive.

OwenM wrote: »

The article you links talks a lot about sensitivity and any conversation about PCR v's antigen which quotes sensitivity is disingenuous. PCR detects fragments of the virus which can remain detectable for months, an individual who tested positive today could test positive in September but would only test positive with an antigen test while they are actively contagious. Depending on how you select your test subjects you can produce any sensitivity figure you want.

Spain's current 14 day incidence per 100k is 102, our is 99.

The article published by the American Chemical Society doesn't compare antigen vs pcr tbf.

There is only one reference to pcr in the whole article and that to one particular brand of antigen test. Which is this.

But some researchers have questioned the accuracy of the Innova test, and its use in mass screening, because it misses many of the positive cases that could be identified by slower reverse transcriptase polymerase chain reaction (RT-PCR) tests, widely regarded as the gold standard diagnostic. “

But to detail both Antigen and PCR tests may produce false positives. The figure for false positives in PCR tests here is just 0.2% ....

How they work is also relevant .

PCR tests are used to directly screen for the presence of viral RNA, which will be detectable in the body before antibodies form or symptoms of the disease are present.

Antigen tests also detect the presence of viral proteins (antigens) expressed by the COVID-19 virus in a sample from the respiratory tract of a person and are best suited for testing those who are symptomatic ie when symptoms of the disease are present.

And btw I support the use of both types of test where suitable.

As to Spain - the infection rate there is down atm but overall they've have had a poor record with regard to high infection rates since the start of the Pandemic.

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

That numpty Ryan on the news headlines just now saying that they need Holohan to sign off on antigen testing, after which they're ready to go.

Who does he think is in charge?

It's a perfect storm.. Holohan is arrogant and doesn't like being questioned, let alone giving up control, and Ryan and the rest are terrified of being held accountable for making a decision - especially if it overrules Tony.

It would be almost funny if it wasn't so serious!

NPHET and the CMO have been quite clear this past while that they are an advisory body. How is Ryan not aware of this? I know he's fond of the odd power nap but he'd need to be Rip Van Winkle to not know this. He has the ultimate say in this matter.

ecoli3136 wrote: »

So, you can't, or for some reason you don't want to, point to any mistakes you believe NPHET has made other than their cock-up, as you put it, regarding wearing masks/face coverings.

Extraordinary.

Do you think no other country got things wrong in the last 18months ?

This is something new and ever changing, so nobody can get things 100% right.
The vaccine programme is going well and there is light at the end of the tunnel

KrustyUCC wrote: »

Restaurants take legal action against Government over ‘unjustifiable’ indoor dining ban

"Restaurants are taking legal action against the Government over the “irrational” decision to allow hotels to reopen for indoor dining while restaurants can only serve outdoors.

Indoor dining is banned in restaurants until next month, while hotels and B&Bs have been serving food inside since June 2.

The Restaurants Association of Ireland (RAI) lodged High Court papers this morning seeking leave to challenge the distinctions made between hotels and restaurants.

In a statement, the RAI said the case “relates to recent regulations signed by the Minister for Health and claims the distinction drawn should be quashed on the basis of irrationality, lack of proportionality and unjustifiable interference with restaurateur’s property and economic rights”.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/restaurants-take-legal-action-against-government-over-unjustifiable-indoor-dining-ban-40550201.html

Interesting timing

They might have been better off keeping the heads down until July 5th

Wait another 3 weeks of not letting anyone inside?
I'd wager it's costing them money not being able to fill the seats.

KrustyUCC wrote: »

Restaurants take legal action against Government over ‘unjustifiable’ indoor dining ban

"Restaurants are taking legal action against the Government over the “irrational” decision to allow hotels to reopen for indoor dining while restaurants can only serve outdoors.

Indoor dining is banned in restaurants until next month, while hotels and B&Bs have been serving food inside since June 2.

The Restaurants Association of Ireland (RAI) lodged High Court papers this morning seeking leave to challenge the distinctions made between hotels and restaurants.

In a statement, the RAI said the case “relates to recent regulations signed by the Minister for Health and claims the distinction drawn should be quashed on the basis of irrationality, lack of proportionality and unjustifiable interference with restaurateur’s property and economic rights”.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/restaurants-take-legal-action-against-government-over-unjustifiable-indoor-dining-ban-40550201.html

Interesting timing

They might have been better off keeping the heads down until July 5th

Symbolic waste of time and money.

Unless the high court bump it up the list, the case won't be heard in time.

Whatever happened the developer who took a similar a high court proceeding?

I'll be going to restaurants as soon as I can btw

Can't wait to get back to meals out

So I'm not anti restaurant

True that

I meant indoor dining though

bear1 wrote: »

Wait another 3 weeks of not letting anyone inside?
I'd wager it's costing them money not being able to fill the seats.

For sure - and also timing might be a preemptive strike against mutterings of maybe leaving indoors closed longer. They’ve no date assured as yet - perhaps just keeping themselves visible, or visibly lobbying for their members.

PTH2009 wrote: »

They made mistakes in there messaging at certain times

A member belittling an elderly woman for visiting a dying family member

Tony also belittling people out drinking on the streets and who can forget his grand return in September putting the country in panic announcing level 5 on Sunday night

What Tony said not Nphet its was his own opinion.

celt262 wrote: »

What Tony said not Nphet its was his own opinion.

I'm not one to really say much about NPHET as the buck stops with government but how does the head of such a health authority get the benefit of complete separation of his own broadcasted opinion during these times? Can't just ignore it and put it down as that as an excuse.

ecoli3136 wrote: »

No I don't think that.

It's a simple question. What, if anything, did NPHET get wrong?

Gozunda has made clear that they believe NPHET made a cock up in regard to the wearing of masks.

I'm inviting them (or you if you wish, or anyone) to identify any other mistakes which NPHET made.

It's very simple really.

Well if you are going to take what I stated out of context ...

Jaysus Christy - the entire feking thread is an anti nphet rantfest and you are inviting (demanding even ) posters "to identify any other mistakes which NPHET made"

:pac:

As I said Dont let me (or anyone) stop you.

Off you go...

So Germany and France are allowing indoor dining now as well as the rest of Europe, I wonder what criteria they are using to open up that the see it as safe. Strange the way our criteria is so much stricter than everyone else. Anyone know what it is.