Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XI *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

normanoffside

I saw Donnelly last night saying we were one of the first countries in Europe to get schools back.
Funny the stats show we had schools closed for the longest time in Europe.

https://twitter.com/thomasforth/status/1397854639387721731?s=21

the kelt

the kelt wrote: »

So we are opening up too fast according to posts in the last few pages.

Why? Variants? Just variants, that’s all, no other reason other than variants.

Yep those variants that’s vaccines work against for example.

I wonder how the scaremongering about variants got into people psyche here? Black clouds and all that.

Have these posts just been deleted?

gozunda

normanoffside wrote: »

I saw Donnelly last night saying we were one of the first countries in Europe to get schools back.
Funny the stats show we had schools closed for the longest time in Europe.

https://twitter.com/thomasforth/status/1397854639387721731?s=21

I say its more correct to say we had the longest 'full closures on that graph. Several countries had combined full and partial closures which exceed our figure for both by a considerable margin.

That said I wonder do those stats take into account that school summer holidays here are general longer than out European neighbours

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/education/irish-secondary-students-have-longer-holidays-than-most-in-europe-1.3230442

But yeah - its not wrong to say that schools here opened earlier this year than most other EU countries. With schools in some countries reopening then having to close then reopen etc due to rises in infection rates.

brickster69

Ashleigh1986 wrote: »

Here in galway an interesting one will be how many people will be allowed to attend the racetrack in late July ?
The races are worth 60 million plus to local economy.
If cinemas are reopening in June ,could a maximum of 5,000 be allowed attend a racetrack , especially if you had to provide a green card to prove you are fully vacinnated?
I'm sure there are plenty of festivals like that throughout the country that are hoping commonsense will prevail.
In the uk 10,000 have been allowed attend football games , surely the same number could attend certain outdoor events in Ireland from July ?

20,000 allowed for Royal Ascot

brickster69

brickster69 wrote: »

20,000 allowed for Royal Ascot

12,000 as part of the events research programme

https://www.ascot.co.uk/royal-ascot-to-form-part-of-second-phase-of-governments-events-research-programme

Boggles

Silentcorner wrote: »

I know that is has been alluded to before, but it's important to keep repeating it...

We have witnessed the weakest Government Cabinet in our history, most of whom are only ministers because of geography and gender, outsource the running of this country to a bunch of unelected, highly paid health bureaucrats (from the most dysfunctional health system in Europe) whose only gear is to treat all of us like infants for as long as they are allowed.

We have had to endure the longest strictest lock down in Europe and we will face the slowest reopening.

There isn't a nation in Europe who have treated their citizens so appallingly, and yet you still have people supporting their actions.

It beggars belief...we have all seen huge crowds in stadiums and sporting events every where at this stage....we all witnessed the massive BLM protests a year ago.

Are we all supposed to pretend we haven't seen what is happening in other countries all around us...like we are to pretend there isn't a seasonal factor, or that there is little danger outdoors, or that asymptomatic people don't spread the virus, all of which makes at least half the restrictions redundant.

We are an embarrassment.

Always when restrictions are been eased or announced, every single time.

Here is a whole bunch opening up, scans the media for the perceived negative and amplifies it.

Lady protest too much?

Klonker

I don't know why they are pretending with these 'trial events' here at all. Like they are saying July for these trials at which stage all other countries will be having the events, a lot of whom already are. If they were going to. Do trials they needed to them them in April and May. Also we can't really do the trials with pre testing unless they allow antigen testing here which they don't so it's all a waste of time and juts for show.

Boggles

Klonker wrote: »

I don't know why they are pretending with these 'trial events' here at all. Like they are saying July for these trials at which stage all other countries will be having the events, a lot of whom already are. If they were going to. Do trials they needed to them them in April and May. Also we can't really do the trials with pre testing unless they allow antigen testing here which they don't so it's all a waste of time and juts for show.

Leo Varadkar said there will be a number of pilot events to allow people to gather outdoors and indoors, but the details have yet to be worked out, although it will be most likely that antigen testing will be used around these pilot events

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Boggles

Deleted User wrote: »

12,000 as part of the events research programme

https://www.ascot.co.uk/royal-ascot-to-form-part-of-second-phase-of-governments-events-research-programme

17% capacity, 3 tests required.

No under 16s.

Klonker

Klonker wrote: »

I don't know why they are pretending with these 'trial events' here at all. Like they are saying July for these trials at which stage all other countries will be having the events, a lot of whom already are. If they were going to. Do trials they needed to them them in April and May. Also we can't really do the trials with pre testing unless they allow antigen testing here which they don't so it's all a waste of time and juts for show.

Attendees will also be asked to take a PCR test before and after the event

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/guidance-about-the-events-research-programme-erp-paving-the-way-for-larger-audiences-to-attend-sport-theatre-and-gigs-safely-this-summer/guidance-on-the-events-research-programme#:~:text=The%20Events%20Research%20Programme%20aims,a%20range%20of%20events%20safely.

seamus

I don't like to toot my own horn (ooh matron), didnt I feckin tell yas;

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=116739390&postcount=1900

The government are aiming for a showpiece; most likely the return of crowds to the latter stages of the All-Ireland championships, and possibly a 75% full Croke Park for the finals.

I think they would have liked crowds at matches from July, but that might be a bit optimistic. Nevertheless, small crowds, say 25% capacity at that stage seems plausible

Boggles

July is 10% capacity capped at 500.

And August 2nd is 25% capped at 5k.

First final 3 weeks later supersized to 75%? 60,000. 12 times more.

I'm not so sure, seats are tiny and bunched at Croke Park.

TomSweeney

https://english.elpais.com/society/2021-05-28/is-it-time-for-spain-to-end-the-mandatory-use-of-face-masks-outdoors.html


Oh lordy lordy lordy ... we have some serious sociopathic control freaks out there

Some of the "Experts" that don't want mandatory outdoor mask use removed :

“It’s more than premature and could even be irresponsible. We shouldn’t even be considering it while the incidence is still very high in a lot of Spain and the number of people who have got the full protection from the vaccines is still very small.”

Again remember this fool said the above talking about outdoor mask wearing !!

Irresponsible to not wear a mask whilst alone in a field ... yeah sure ...

The "experts" are also divided on when the right moment would be to relax the restriction. While Simón suggested that a medium-risk scenario (fewer than 150 cases per 100,000 inhabitants) would be sufficient, López-Acuña goes further. “From my point of view, we can only start to consider no longer using masks when the cumulative incidence is below 25 per 100,000, and 70% of the population has been vaccinated with two doses,” he argued. “At the earliest, by September. And I think that we will have to continue to use them in hospitals, public transportation and senior residences.”

below 25/100k - again this will never happen as it's endemic, and even when 100% of pop is vaccinated the case rate will always be higher.

So this "expert" wants people to be forced to wear a mask outside when covid won't be an issue for the health service.


These people aren't good people, they are control freaks, drunk on power.
I'd imagine NPHET would do the same regarding outdoor use if they could.

Boggles

TomSweeney wrote: »

These people aren't good people, they are control freaks, drunk on power.

Daniel López-Acuña, a former director of emergencies at the World Health Organization (WHO)

The sum total of zero power to be intoxicated on.

But I'm outraged too.

TomSweeney wrote: »

I'd imagine NPHET would do the same regarding outdoor use if they could.

Any particular reason for that, or just an nonsensical rant at our Public health?

ArthurDayne

TomSweeney wrote: »

https://english.elpais.com/society/2021-05-28/is-it-time-for-spain-to-end-the-mandatory-use-of-face-masks-outdoors.html


Oh lordy lordy lordy ... we have some serious sociopathic control freaks out there

Some of the "Experts" that don't want mandatory outdoor mask use removed :



Again remember this fool said the above talking about outdoor mask wearing !!

Irresponsible to not wear a mask whilst alone in a field ... yeah sure ...



below 25/100k - again this will never happen as it's endemic, and even when 100% of pop is vaccinated the case rate will always be higher.

So this "expert" wants people to be forced to wear a mask outside when covid won't be an issue for the health service.


These people aren't good people, they are control freaks, drunk on power.
I'd imagine NPHET would do the same regarding outdoor use if they could.

I can’t say I condone the accusations levelled at NPHET and those other guys mentioned in your post, but I agree that the suggestion made is overkill. Does it mention why he thinks this? Like, is he suggesting thins from a viewpoint of just trying to minimise Covid outright or is he saying that this is the best way to mitigate the risk of an overwhelming wave?

MOH

MOR316 wrote: »

Philip Nolan has always been off, the majority of times with his modelling...

People on here watching the pressers: "Why can't we see these models?"
Why do you think?

The biggest purveyor of snake oil in the country.

In fairness, must be hard to product accurate models when you think proper contact tracing is just an "academic excercise" and so don't have any actual data to work from.

highland212

normanoffside wrote: »

I saw Donnelly last night saying we were one of the first countries in Europe to get schools back.
Funny the stats show we had schools closed for the longest time in Europe.

https://twitter.com/thomasforth/status/1397854639387721731?s=21

It's a shame the DES didn't use the initial school closure to put in preventative measures (proper social distancing, pupils wearing masks, ventilation, CO2 monitors) like other EU countries did in order to keep schools open. We could have potentially avoided full school closures in January.

Meanwhile, I'm typing this while at home isolating with Covid that I picked up from a child in my class who was sent in waiting for a test result (a positive one) into a poorly ventilated room with 30 (mostly unmasked) young people. There's irony in there somewhere.

Boggles

MOH wrote: »

The biggest purveyor of snake oil in the country.

In fairness, must be hard to product accurate models when you think proper contact tracing is just an "academic excercise" and so don't have any actual data to work from.

60 overworked on the verge of strike public health doctors working off bits of paper and the Army Band conducting contact tracing is the reason we couldn't formulate data.

Remember when we were going for the South Korea model?

Boggles

ArthurDayne wrote: »

I can’t say I condone the accusations levelled at NPHET and those other guys mentioned in your post, but I agree that the suggestion made is overkill. Does it mention why he thinks this? Like, is he suggesting thins from a viewpoint of just trying to minimise Covid outright or is he saying that this is the best way to mitigate the risk of an overwhelming wave?

It doesn't matter a jot what he thinks, he is nobody of influence.

If I were living in Spain reading that article and came away with an overall negative from it, I'd have to stop reading those articles for my own mental health.

The only pertinent factual part in the article that matters.

Fernando Simón, the director of the Health Ministry’s Coordination Center for Health Alerts (CCAES), said last week that it is “very possible” that the use of masks outside would be relaxed “not too many days from now.”

bear1

Seems travel is to open up fully from July 19th.
No word yet on the mask policy, any have any guesses when they might be dropped?

Boggles

bear1 wrote: »

Seems travel is to open up fully from July 19th.
No word yet on the mask policy, any have any guesses when they might be dropped?

You'll be wearing a mask on a plane for some time to come I reckon.

Airlines brought it in before governments did.

Boggles

Boggles wrote: »

July is 10% capacity capped at 500.

And August 2nd is 25% capped at 5k.

First final 3 weeks later supersized to 75%? 60,000. 12 times more.

I'm not so sure, seats are tiny and bunched at Croke Park.

https://www.rte.ie/sport/other-sport/2021/0527/1224355-government-to-consider-return-of-fans-from-june/

The Cabinet will consider recommendations today, and RTÉ Sport understands proposals for attendances of 10,000 at the Leinster Hurling Final in mid-July, and over 25,000 at the All-Ireland Finals in August, are on the table.

HATS FLAGS AND HEADBANDS - ANYONE BUYING OR SELLING TICKETS

Boggles

Deleted User wrote: »

https://www.rte.ie/sport/other-sport/2021/0527/1224355-government-to-consider-return-of-fans-from-june/




HATS FLAGS AND HEADBANDS - ANYONE BUYING OR SELLING TICKETS

I imagine the GAA will be at inflated prices, they won't be able to help themselves.

I think though we all know, apart from the people losing their shít over it, never was there only going to be only 5,000 for the finals, above all else it would have just looked ridiculous.

Personally think they can be slightly braver than 25K.

bear1

Boggles wrote: »

You'll be wearing a mask on a plane for some time to come I reckon.

Airlines brought it in before governments did.

I don't think that will ever be scrapped.
I refer more to the day to day aspect.

TomSweeney

bear1 wrote: »

Seems travel is to open up fully from July 19th.
No word yet on the mask policy, any have any guesses when they might be dropped?

Good stuff, just in time for holidays and on the anniversary of the Ice Age ending too ...

Boggles

bear1 wrote: »

I don't think that will ever be scrapped.
I refer more to the day to day aspect.

TomSweeney wrote: »

Good stuff, just in time for holidays and on the anniversary of the Ice Age ending too ...

Well hopefully they won't be scrapped until the airports iron out a few kinks.

https://twitter.com/gdog2010_john/status/1397963255851671555

MOH

Boggles wrote: »

60 overworked on the verge of strike public health doctors working off bits of paper and the Army Band conducting contact tracing is the reason we couldn't formulate data.

Remember when we were going for the South Korea model?

Complete incompetence from those charged with managing our pandemic response is the reason we couldn't formulate data.

gozunda wrote: »

But yeah - its not wrong to say that schools here opened earlier this year than most other EU countries. With schools in some countries reopening then having to close then reopen etc due to rises in infection rates.

Yeah, here we just kept repeating the lie that schools are perfectly safe and kept them open

TomSweeney

Boggles wrote: »

Well hopefully they won't be scrapped until the airports iron out a few kinks.

https://twitter.com/gdog2010_john/status/1397963255851671555

If people are that close together I don't think masks will do much, earlier you mentioned you don't think masks should ever be scrapped - why not ?

imagine 100% of pop are vaccinated, why wouldn't you want them scrapped?
edit - sorry different user..

suicide_circus

We (righlty) consult and rely on data regarding vaccine trials from other countries but we won't do the same for outdoor events. Hmmm

Boggles

TomSweeney wrote: »

If people are that close together I don't think masks will do much,

Of course they will, people wearing anything over their mouth and nose will not expel as much as those who don't.

If I am in that situation in that photo I'd much prefer everyone to be masked than not.

I assume you would concur?

TomSweeney wrote: »

earlier you mentioned you don't think masks should ever be scrapped - why not ?

imagine 100% of pop are vaccinated, why wouldn't you want them scrapped?


Seems fairly cultish.

No I didn't, you are confusing me with someone else.