Dublin Bay South By-Election

wowy

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

I wouldn't go making huge assumptions about who supports what on the ground.. There's lots of locals who would be very happy to have safe cycle routes for themselves and their families.

Tells poster not to make assumptions about the local residents, and then promptly makes assumption about the local residents. While also accusing the candidate of hypocrisy.

AndrewJRenko

wowy wrote: »

Tells poster not to make assumptions about the local residents, and then promptly makes assumption about the local residents. While also accusing the candidate of hypocrisy.

Do I need to spell out the hypocrisy of claiming to support sustainable travel while opposing the local facility for sustainable travel?

wowy

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Do I need to spell out the hypocrisy of claiming to support sustainable travel while opposing the local facility for sustainable travel?

I was pointing out your own hypocrisy.

Sam Russell

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

I wouldn't go making huge assumptions about who supports what on the ground.. There's lots of locals who would be very happy to have safe cycle routes for themselves and their families. The sky hasn't fallen in for people who live on the DLR coastal mobility route.

The issue for yer man is yet another front of his hypocrisy being exposed.

I live locally to tis project and know there is local opposition - not because it is a project offering improved cycling infrastructure, but because it interferes with the local traffic - just like Dunville Ave did for Metrolink.

There are local fundraising for the court case.

Larbre34

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

I wouldn't go making huge assumptions about who supports what on the ground.. There's lots of locals who would be very happy to have safe cycle routes for themselves and their families. The sky hasn't fallen in for people who live on the DLR coastal mobility route.

The issue for yer man is yet another front of his hypocrisy being exposed.

Those assumptions can absolutely be made.

We know there were a huge number of submissions to the City Council consultations on the plans, from people outside the area (all over the Country in fact) and wedded to the vocal cycling lobby. This doesn't reflect the level of local opposition.

The comparisons between the Strand Road proposals and the Dun Laoghaire co-called coastal mobility route are false for many reasons. The DL project has suitable alternative routes and is located on a route which serves Dun Laoghaire Harbour, itself no longer active in any commercial sense. Therefore the impact is bearable (at least until economic activity returns to normal).

However, the Strand Road /Beach Road proposal from Merrion Gates interferes with a major economic route in the City, serving the east link bridge and the southern section of Dublin Port. It will also serve massive new housing development on the Glass Bottle factory site and on Poolbeg.

The current Court case objecting the lack of proper planning by the City Council is scheduled for the last week of June. The by-election won't be held before then, but if the Court rules in favour of the City Council (unlikely in my view) it will certainly galvanise votes in favour of candidates who oppose the project, in Sandymount, Ringsend and Ballsbridge.

KevRossi

I only know two people living in Sandymount, living in different ends of it, they say traffic in the 'village' is chronic, most of it a permanent traffic jam populated by angry drivers, each one with the belief that they are more important then the other. They welcome any attempt to change it. But there's the same group who oppose any change, or any initiative to change the present situation.

Anyway, in other news, Roderic O'Gorman is the GP election manager. They'll decide next week if Claire Byrne or Hazel Chu will run for them.

https://twitter.com/CByrneGreen/status/1397821556714258437

KevRossi

..And James Geoghan is still putting his foot in it, using the HSE logo on election literature. When he's not allowed to. His excuse is that he was ignorant of the law, so he won't do it again. And he's a solicitor.

D4 will definitely vote him in at this rate.



https://twitter.com/OConnorOisin/status/1396740689896087553

JPup

Sam Russell wrote: »

I live locally to tis project and know there is local opposition - not because it is a project offering improved cycling infrastructure, but because it interferes with the local traffic - just like Dunville Ave did for Metrolink.

There are local fundraising for the court case.

People get so exercised about Dunville Avenue and it's such a joke. A minor back road holding up a metro extension of major significance for the whole south side of the city. But when your neighbours are Michael McDowell and a rake of the great and the good of Irish society, it's amazing what you can get away with.

expectationlost

‘Voice for generation locked out of housing market’ Fine Gael candidate lives in €730,000 house in different constituency https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/voice-for-generation-locked-out-of-housing-marketfine-gaelcandidatelives-in-730000-house-in-different-constituency-40476714.html

he lives in Clonskeagh half of Clonskeagh is in DBS, so half of his village is in DBS..

he says he never said he lives in Ranelagh but keeps giving the impression that he does https://twitter.com/GeogheganCllr/status/1393618714269032451

https://twitter.com/wereontheditch/status/1397457818563850243
seems the website was changed
https://twitter.com/wereontheditch/status/1397457823148265472

https://web.archive.org/web/20210517113813/https://dublin-bay-south.finegael.ie/#section-about
used to say

James is married to his wife Claire who grew up in Sandymount. They live now in Ranelagh with their two young children Hugh (3) and Harry (1).

at the bottom.


Did he live at the address he gave on his nomination papers when he ran for the council? https://web.archive.org/web/20190524172735/http://www.dublincity.ie/sites/default/files/content/YourCouncil/LocalElections/LocalElections2019/City%20WIde%20Nomination%20List.xlsx

AndrewJRenko

Sam Russell wrote: »

I live locally to tis project and know there is local opposition - not because it is a project offering improved cycling infrastructure, but because it interferes with the local traffic - just like Dunville Ave did for Metrolink.

There are local fundraising for the court case.

I didn't suggest that there wasn't any opposition. The assumption that everyone, or even most, oppose the new facility has no basis.

Sam Russell

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

I didn't suggest that there wasn't any opposition. The assumption that everyone, or even most, oppose the new facility has no basis.

Well I do not oppose it, but I am not convinced it is the right design, but it is just a trial.

Before he Covid, the Strand Road was backed up from one end to the other going north in the morning and going south in the evening. Making it one way gets rid of one of those.

KevRossi

Sam Russell wrote: »

Well I do not oppose it, but I am not convinced it is the right design, but it is just a trial.

Before he Covid, the Strand Road was backed up from one end to the other going north in the morning and going south in the evening. Making it one way gets rid of one of those.

So make it one way going northbound in the morning and one way going southbound in the afternoon?

jimmycrackcorm

expectationlost wrote: »

‘Voice for generation locked out of housing market’ Fine Gael candidate lives in €730,000 house in different constituency https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/voice-for-generation-locked-out-of-housing-marketfine-gaelcandidatelives-in-730000-house-in-different-constituency-40476714.html

he lives in Clonskeagh half of Clonskeagh is in DBS, so half of his village is in DBS..

he syas he never said he lives in Ranelagh but keeps giving the impression that he does https://twitter.com/GeogheganCllr/status/1393618714269032451

https://twitter.com/wereontheditch/status/1397457818563850243
seems the website was changed
https://twitter.com/wereontheditch/status/1397457823148265472

https://web.archive.org/web/20210517113813/https://dublin-bay-south.finegael.ie/#section-about
used to say at the bottom

Paul Murphy was living in Ballinteer when he was elected for Dublin South West in 2014.

And it was ok for Gerry Adams to be parachuted into Louth despite his family home being outside the state.

No doubt you have no issues with those.

expectationlost

jimmycrackcorm wrote: »

Paul Murphy was living in Ballinteer when he was elected for Dublin South West in 2014.

And it was ok for Gerry Adams to be parachuted into Louth despite his family home being outside the state.

No doubt you have no issues with those.

as long as they didn't say were living somewhere where they weren't.

I don't think James Geoghegan lives too far outside the constituency.

Sam Russell

KevRossi wrote: »

So make it one way going northbound in the morning and one way going southbound in the afternoon?

A trial might try that - but not likely. How do you change over?

PommieBast

expectationlost wrote: »

‘Voice for generation locked out of housing market’ Fine Gael candidate lives in €730,000 house in different constituency https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/voice-for-generation-locked-out-of-housing-marketfine-gaelcandidatelives-in-730000-house-in-different-constituency-40476714.html

My immediate impression is the article being a hatchet job.

KevRossi

Sam Russell wrote: »

A trial might try that - but not likely. How do you change over?

A green and red traffic light at either end. Except it stays green/red for several hours rather than a few seconds. It's used in quite a few places.

Sam Russell

KevRossi wrote: »

A green and red traffic light at either end. Except it stays green/red for several hours rather than a few seconds. It's used in quite a few places.

Do you know the road?

AndrewJRenko

There is at least one separate thread covering all the ins and outs of the Sandymount facility, so we really don't need to rehearse all the debate here.

ThunbergsAreGo

KevRossi wrote: »

I only know two people living in Sandymount, living in different ends of it, they say traffic in the 'village' is chronic, most of it a permanent traffic jam populated by angry drivers, each one with the belief that they are more important then the other. They welcome any attempt to change it. But there's the same group who oppose any change, or any initiative to change the present situation.

Anyway, in other news, Roderic O'Gorman is the GP election manager. They'll decide next week if Claire Byrne or Hazel Chu will run for them.

https://twitter.com/CByrneGreen/status/1397821556714258437

I would have thought a sitting Minister has enough on his plate without doing this as well. What do we pay them for?

Brussels Sprout

Has Lynn Boylan been chosen for SF and if not when are they announcing their candidate?

RandomViewer

ThunbergsAreGo wrote: »

I would have thought a sitting Minister has enough on his plate without doing this as well. What do we pay them for?

He's a Tiktok star apparently

RandomViewer

Brussels Sprout wrote: »

Has Lynn Boylan been chosen for SF and if not when are they announcing their candidate?

Boylan? I heard Colm Meaney mentioned,

Jizique

ThunbergsAreGo wrote: »

I would have thought a sitting Minister has enough on his plate without doing this as well. What do we pay them for?

Harris is director of elections for FG in this one

expectationlost

Brussels Sprout wrote: »

Has Lynn Boylan been chosen for SF and if not when are they announcing their candidate?

Fintan Warfield is also apparently interested, he is listed as being from Harold's Cross and/or Terenure, Inchicore and now Portobello https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/sinn-fein-to-back-lynn-boylan-in-dublin-bay-south-by-election-8q30ts0fj

what about Councillor Daniel Céitinn, one presumes he lives in the area.

blackwhite

It’s a tough one for SF to plan.

Undoubtedly there’s an outside chance that they could capitalise on anti-govt sentiment and nick the by-election by sweeping up all non-FF/FG transfers and taking a chunk of the green transfers - and the higher profile the candidate the more chance of that for them.

But ultimately in the next GE this is a constituency that they know is only ever going to return a maximum of one SF TD, so there’s a balance between winning a by-election and the perception bump that it brings, against their hand being forced into running two candidates in the next GE, and potentially splitting their vote and not returning any TD on DBS next time round


It’s a similar dilemma to what’s facing FF - the except FFs chances of winning the by-election are a lot longer, so would need an even stronger candidate to stand any chance (and I don’t think Conroy can be considered to be particularly strong or high profile)

factnee

blackwhite wrote: »

It’s a tough one for SF to plan.

Undoubtedly there’s an outside chance that they could capitalise on anti-govt sentiment and nick the by-election by sweeping up all non-FF/FG transfers and taking a chunk of the green transfers - and the higher profile the candidate the more chance of that for them.

But ultimately in the next GE this is a constituency that they know is only ever going to return a maximum of one SF TD, so there’s a balance between winning a by-election and the perception bump that it brings, against their hand being forced into running two candidates in the next GE, and potentially splitting their vote and not returning any TD on DBS next time round

This is exactly why Lynn Boylan or any other high calibre SF candidate won't stand here. They would have to run here at the next election where they wouldn't be re-elected when they would definitely be elected elsewhere.

ThunbergsAreGo

Jizique wrote: »

Harris is director of elections for FG in this one

And I would have the exact same critique

Clon63

Will be interesting about Lynn Boylan.

She was on Late Debate the other night which could be a sign that she will run but she didnt sound so keen.

I always assumed she was a shoo in for Dublin South West at the next election. Sean Crowe is 64 now and not high profile in new SF and think he will step down next time. Their local councillors, as a group, have had some serious issues and I think the local organisation was decommissioned for a while so I think regime change like Derry would be welcome there She lives next door in Clondalkin i think their dream ticket here will be Boylan and Cathal King who is the longest serving Tallaght councillor and not really controversial Lynne Boylan might go down better in some of the more middle class areas In tbat case tbey would have an excellent chance of 2 seats at tbe expense of either Paul Murphy or the Greens I bet Cathal King would love to take out Mr Murphy.

But Lynne Boylan is probably SFs only real chance in DBS with her profile and broader appeal She has to poll 2nd and be close enough to the FG candidate to have any chance. If Bacik, Greens or Chu get ahead of heron transfers she is gone.

When are the Greens having their selection convention? That will be interesting. I think Chu would be the stronger candidate but not a team player Her term as Lord Mayor is up in a few weeks. BTW she tweeted a picshowing her getting her first vaccine jab so I assumed she was over 45 but her profile says she is 40 so that is odd. Most other politicians are making a virtue of sticking with the correct age cohorts.

AndrewJRenko

Clon63 wrote: »

When are the Greens having their selection convention? That will be interesting. I think Chu would be the stronger candidate but not a team player Her term as Lord Mayor is up in a few weeks. BTW she tweeted a picshowing her getting her first vaccine jab so I assumed she was over 45 but her profile says she is 40 so that is odd. Most other politicians are making a virtue of sticking with the correct age cohorts.

Would you like her to share her private medical history with you?