Are Mick Wallace and Clare Daly Irelands greatest shame?

jjmcclure

The nonsense these two have been spouting about the chemical attack in Syria is shocking tinfoil hat conspiracy stuff. Wallace shamed himself and the nation in the European Parliament!!

SNIP. No insults.

Cyrus

jjmcclure wrote: »

The nonsense these two have been spouting about the chemical attack in Syria is shocking tinfoil hat conspiracy stuff. Wallace shamed himself and the nation in the European Parliament!!

They are a reflection of those who voted them in as tds in the first place and gave them the platform for their European aspirations.

So the people got who they wanted in effect.

Uncle Pierre

Cyrus wrote: »

They are a reflection of those who voted them in as tds in the first place and gave them the platform for their European aspirations.

As a Wexford man myself, here's a thing about Wallace that I think is no harm to point out:

When he first stood, in the 2011 General Election, he swept in with 13,329 votes.

When he stood for re-election in 2016, his vote fell to 7,917.

So, just over 40% of people who voted for him first time around ended up deciding over the next five years that "I'm not going to vote for that fella again".

He knew that if his vote again fell by a significant amount in the next general election, he'd be severely struggling to hold his seat, and so he stood for Europe instead, getting votes from the sort of people who'd first voted for him in Wexford but who hadn't yet seen through him the way Wexford people had.

And incidentally, another beneficiary of this was Verona Murphy. Prior to the by-election caused by Wallace's move to Europe, she was really no more than a token third candidate on the FG ticket here, behind two relatively strong sitting TDs. She wouldn't have been expected to fare much better than FG's third candidate in 2016, who polled only 1,214 votes.

But then the by-election came along, she had a platform that she never expected and shot to prominence with certain comments about refugees and asylum seekers, and ended up taking a Dáil seat at the next general election.

Highly doubtful in my mind if she'd have been in the shake-up at all if that by-election had never taken place.

breezy1985

Dav010 wrote: »

They are a couple of idiots for sure, but they are lightweights in the shame catagory.

All the Healy Raes, Willie O Dea, Michael Lowry, Bertie Ahern and Lucinda Creighton all spring to mind as top division Shame TDs

ancapailldorcha

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newuser99999

Can easily think of 20 TDs off the top of my head that are worse

sparksfly

I'm certainly no fan of these two but I do believe the whistleblowers from the OPCW should be given a hearing. One of them is Dr Brendan Whealan, an Irish senior inspector, who along with Ian Henderson have had long unblemished and distinguished careers with the organisation. I also do not claim to know if their concerns are credible or not but they put their careers on the line when they voiced their concerns. They both allege that senior OPCW officials had radically altered their finished investigation results and rushed out a doctored report which green lighted a missile attack on Syria.
Their claims deserve an impartial and transparent investigation.

godtabh

sparksfly wrote: »

I'm certainly no fan of these two but I do believe the whistleblowers from the OPCW should be given a hearing. One of them is Dr Brendan Whealan, an Irish senior inspector, who along with Ian Henderson have had long unblemished and distinguished careers with the organisation. I also do not claim to know if their concerns are credible or not but they put their careers on the line when they voiced their concerns. They both allege that senior OPCW officials had radically altered their finished investigation results and rushed out a doctored report which green lighted a missile attack on Syria.
Their claims deserve an impartial and transparent investigation.

Hasn’t these allegations be investigated by others and disproved?

sparksfly

godtabh wrote: »

Hasn’t these allegations be investigated by others and disproved?

They claim that the OPCW refuse to meet them. Five more ex OPCW officials have joined them to "urge the OPCW to address the cover up of the probe"
Again I dont know where the truth lies but Whelan has received commendations from the OPCW at the highest level for his work in precious investigations. Why on earth would he and the other whistleblowers throw away their careers for taking an action that brings them no obvious personal gain.
Maybe they had personal gain. An impartial investigation is needed.

Brussels Sprout

breezy1985 wrote: »

All the Healy Raes, Willie O Dea, Michael Lowry, Bertie Ahern and Lucinda Creighton all spring to mind as top division Shame TDs

Bit harsh lumping her in with that lot. I didn't agree with her stance on abortion but she was a potential future leader of FG and she gave all that up on a point of principle. She also must have known that it would be extremely difficult to get elected again given her constituency was one of the most pro-choice in the country but she went with it anyway. Not many politicians would do that.

She then went and created her own party which is no mean feat. The Renua of today is a joke and a monstrosity but when she left politics after losing her seat in 2016, it was basically a respectable failure.

To lump her into the same category as politicians who were either out and out crooks or have no principles beyond what will get them elected is grossly unfair to her.

Larbre34

Greatest shame? No, I think the way we have treated our very young, very old and very vulnerable in this State, from independence until recent decades, is our greatest shame.

That said, Wallace and Daly are indeed a massive embarrassment, to themselves, the Country and the EU Parliament.

Even though I wouldn't agree with Daly's politics, I would have respected her work and her public representation. That is, until she met up with Mr Pink and got drawn into the orbit of his circus, his ineptitude and his hypocrisy.

That recorded piece they did in Baghdad was horrifyingly cringe making in its naivety and its ignorance. They should be censured by the EU Parl for even going in the current climate, let alone their choice of group to advocate when there.

I have strong Wexford connections and while they would mostly be long time FG and Labour people, they are truly mortified that Mick Wallace is a countyman of their's.

Brussels Sprout

Cyrus wrote: »

They are a reflection of those who voted them in as tds in the first place

Whatever about Mick Wallace, I don't believe Clare Daly had any red flags prior to being elected as a TD (relative to other hard-left TDs). As a TD she shone a light on a lot of areas that other TDs didn't seem to be interested. She also seemed like a hard worker and probably gave a voice to lot of similar people in her constituency. For those reasons I wouldn't bash anyone for voting for her in 2011, 2016 or even in the European election in 2019.

I am absolutely disgusted with her now though. If there's one thing that I cannot stand it is people who have blind spots for certain authoritarians just because of their political leanings or who those authoritarians oppose. Her massive blind spot toward Putin is downright weird. The man is literally killing his greatest critic at the moment (the latest of many critics to face mortal danger) but whenever anyone criticizes him she engages in whataboutery so that she can instead sound off on the EU and the USA.

The EU and especially the USA, have plenty of problems. However if you look at what goes on in Russia and your instinct is to deflect onto the problems of the EU/USA in response then there is something severely broken in your judgement.

Then there's all the tawdry affair of employing her ex-husband and also Mick Wallace's son despite that going against the spirit of EU rules to try and prevent nepotism.

And don't even get me started on that middle east trip....

I hope herself, Wallace and Ming all lose their seats in 2024 but I'm not optimistic since most Irish people don't care about who we send to the EU.

Our present government has decided leaking confidential documents to friends is a nothing-issue



Not one senior government member even expressed disquiet at it,fcuk knows what else they are at?......couldnt imagine wallace and daly agreeing to this course of action by our rulers

Fotish

touts

Is it possible to do a recall election? We need these two dragged out of office before they bring the country into any more disrepute.

Pair of absolute ****s

breezy1985

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118721809#Comment_118721809

Absolutely nuts. Any left leaning politicians who think Putin or Russia are on the same side really need to get their head out of the 1920s and learn about actual politics

fryup

sure wasn't Wallace looking for the early release of the Omagh bomber on 'humanitarian grounds' 🙄

liamtech

Thread Title: Are Mick Wallace and Clare Daly Irelands greatest shame?

To a certain extent ; yes (not gonna get into them being the 'Greatest of all time' - another discussion)

The fact is i would give the above an opportunity to come around over the coming days. If you had told me a week ago that

• Russia would full on militarily invade the Ukraine
• A large Russian Army would be en route to the Capital(possibly an army group considering the word on Sky News is that secondary Russian movements towards Kiev from several directions are underway)
• The western world (including Switzerland normally 100% Neutral) would sanction Russia
• Finland is considering joining NATO (and IMHO is right to do so)
• Russian propaganda would be as vile as it has been
• Putin is in effect threatening Nuclear war
• The EU would be supplying weapons (justifiable but unprecedented)

had you predicted the above, i would have assumed a degree of war mongering and nonsensical prediction; We are where we are, its happened, its a dark new day. Wallace and Daly should certainly be given the chance to respond. Granted they remained in their current position opinion-wise, far too long. But a chance is open for them to realize whats happening, and change their position. Fight Bad ideas with Good Ideas, and change minds

However, up to now - yes. They are in my view, a disgrace

liamtech

I should also state - i live in North Co Dublin, in Clare's constituency. If she does remain entrenched in her position: (below tweet less than 3 hours old)

https://twitter.com/ClareDalyMEP/status/1499348858152890370?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

I will never vote for her again. I am a political 'anorak' and take every opportunity to discuss topical issues and current events - particularly come election time - and i will not vote for her, and will actively highlight her nonsense at every available opportunity. While some might say that the above tweet is conciliatory to Ukraine, i do not view it as enough. Crying no to war and 'EU Militarism' - at a time like this - disgusts me. The EU have astounded me in their move to supply weapons and military aid to Ukraine. And i salute them wholeheartedly

Cyclingtourist

Effectively they're advocating a policy of appeasement.

No I amn't ashamed as I have never voted for either.

KaneToad

The worst politicians we have are the ones that are voted in under the guise of one particular party but then switch party/go independent WITHOUT resigning their seat.

At least with Wallace & Daly you know what you're getting.

Brussels Sprout

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118725824#Comment_118725824

My memory of her as a TD was that she was diligent and thorough and fought for fairness and the poorest in society. In particular I admired her support of Maurice McCabe against the Gardai. Was there any record of her being a Putin appeaser in the Dail? I presume there's plenty of EU-bashing evidence but that was 10-a-penny after the Troika/Bond holders era of Irish politics.

I guess what I'm asking is - as a former constituent could you see her turning into what she currently is (an appeaser of autocrats) - or was she always like that but maybe didn't speak about those issues as much in the past?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118726024#Comment_118726024

She seems to have lost the plot entirely when she got into bed with Wallace, literally.

Let’s be thankful they are unlikely ever to reproduce.

liamtech

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118726024#Comment_118726024

its a very difficult question - Brief Segway; I'm a Leftie, Pro European Union, Anti Brexit etc etc - I have voted for Labour, SocDem, PbP, Indo and SF - my stance is that i never vote for FF/FG or independents associated with these - so i freely admit: I have voted for Clare and had a lot of respect for her

• 'Was there any record of her being a Putin appeaser in the Dail?' - Nothing that i would have found particularly belligerent beyond being Anti Western, and anti USFP during the 'War on Terror' - freely admit i was on side with her during the conflict. As to any memorable 'pro Putin' stuff - not that i recall - happy to be proved wrong on this but in all honesty i think we need to draw a line when it comes to historical interactions with the Russian Regime. yes people gave interviews with RT, and encouraged a 'relationship' with Russia - this was all Par for the Course - that was then, this is now. IMHO
• 'I guess what I'm asking is - as a former constituent could you see her turning into what she currently is (an appeaser of autocrats) - or was she always like that but maybe didn't speak about those issues as much in the past?' - Clare was always, IMHO, about being 'anti establishment (far more than was appropriate to me, if im honest) - and these attitudes do tend to involve saying conciliatory things about states like VietNam, Russia, etc etc - and tending to highlight the 'evil nature' of attacks/wars waged against said states
• However reading between the lines - if you are asking me did i see this coming!? Not really - certainly she is an 'against the grain' politician - but accusing the EU of 'Militarism', and NATO of 'War Mongering' at a time when, Russia is invading a state, and murdering its citizens - No i assumed she (and her like) would back off - consider a response - and perhaps even stay out of it -

I await a live interview at this stage - preferably on RTE or Newstalk - where she is asked direct questions - and if given what has happened - she blames NATO, the EU, etc etc - then we are done

All IMHO of course -

awec

Her approach appears to be that if everyone was just nice nothing bad would ever happen.

Patser

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118726019#Comment_118726019

Hasn't Daly resigned from and formed, then quit multiple parties? She was originally elected for Socialist Party(2011), then quit to form United Left(2013), then quit to become an Independent 4 Change (2016)

liamtech

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118726265#Comment_118726265

Yes its effectively the case - she has always been spiritually independent, and never tends to align with parties, beyond momentary alliances of convenience - She is anti establishment first and foremost - its almost as if the establishment being on side with the Ukraine 100% (morally ethically politically this is correct in my view) - but she is therefore against or at least, fence sitting -

Brussels Sprout

I await a live interview at this stage - preferably on RTE or Newstalk - where she is asked direct questions - and if given what has happened - she blames NATO, the EU, etc etc - then we are done

I predict that in any interview she will trot out a generic sentence condemning Russia before quickly pivoting to talk about the people that she really wants to blame: NATO and the EU.

Just over 12 months ago she went on the Irish Times politics podcast. It's worth a listen. They really grilled her on her support of Russia and she just deflected and engaged in whataboutism in response.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/inside-politics/inside-politics-the-eu-needs-to-look-at-its-own-problems-clare-daly-on-civil-rights-russia-life-as-an-mep-1.4493954

Cyclingtourist

They do represent a certain body of opinion in Ireland who if you talk to them will say 'it's complicated', 'There's two sides to everything ' or 'what about the Donbas '.

liamtech

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118726673#Comment_118726673

Its the common trope of using 'Whataboutery' - You say the war is evil. The mention Donas. You say Putin is a monster. They say 'NAZI's in the Donbas' - Your say UKRAINE - they respond Iraq. I used to think the DUP were the masters of this art, but talented people are popping up everywhere

False Equivalencies are everywhere during this period - All we can do is remain firm in our stance

NickNickleby

Years ago, I knew someone who worked alongside her in the trade union movement ( just to be clear, this someone was in the union, I don't know if C.D. was). They said she was a loose cannon maverick. And this was before she went for TD. Apparently she was the type that would scupper progress just to get the last word. My person was pretty left-leaning anti establishment herself, so this was quite interesting.

Brussels Sprout

There's definitely an air of the University debating society about the two of them (in terms of their rhetoric). It's like they're taking a preposterous position just so they can show how clever they are by trying to credibly argue in favour of it. It's not about what is right, it's about not backing down regardless of how the situation changes. In other words, it's a load of guff that's being fueled by their own sense of superiority.

touts

Mick Barry on Drivetime now with the same Anti-Nato (i.e. pro Russian) bullsh1t. Just like Rich Boy-Barrett he airbrushed the Soviet Union out of genocidal history and blamed it all on the Czar.

These PBP traitors will have us all in Russian workcamps before the end of the decade if we don't do something about them.

I caught the end of Mick. He's some gowl.

We should extend "solidarity and inspiration" to the people of Ukraine, but not weapons, definitely not weapons.

Dempo1

In relation to Thread Question , they are and an absolute and continuing embarrassment.

I'll now bite my lip now as my Blood Boiling at this latest stunt 😡

ebbsy

Tell that to the women having babies over there Mick, gobshite.

Brussels Sprout

Richard Boyd Barrett said something similar yesterday. What planet are they on? They'd rather see the Ukrainians get slaughtered than see their ideology sullied by arming them. It's preposterous - like some kind of performance art.

You know it actually reminds me of people that they would consider themselves completely opposite to: Pro-Life Catholics. The ones that are both anti-abortion and anti-contraception. They too are not willing to temper their ideology despite it being woefully inadequate to deal with the real world.

Both groups are ideologues. Completely impractical but they don't care about that as long as they maintain their own purity.

Brussels Sprout

Naomi O'Leary (the Irish Times European correspondent) wrote an excellent piece on this pair last summer.

Here are some choice quotes that show you exactly who they are and what they stand for:

Daly on Navalny:

In speeches, both Wallace and Daly accused the European Parliament of being “anti-Russian”, with Daly asking why MEPs were so worked up about the arrest of poison-survivor and opposition figure Alexei Navalny. He is, she claimed, a “vicious anti-immigrant racist”, before asking where was the outcry about the recent arrest of anti-lockdown protesters in Brussels. Her speech was republished by Russian state media.

Wallace on Bashar al-Assad:

Particularly when it comes to atrocities in Syria, Wallace’s interventions have caused fury. In April, he confronted the director general of the Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons, Fernando Arias, during a committee meeting.

There, he put forward the conspiratorial claims championed by Syrian president Assad that western forces staged a chemical attack on civilians for which Assad is blamed. Those truly to blame were the White Helmets, Wallace claimed – a frequently smeared Syrian volunteer rescue group which has extensively documented attacks by Assad and Russian forces in opposition-held areas.

Daly on the forced Belarus Ryanair diversion:

After Belarusian dictator Alexander Lukashenko forced down a Ryanair flight in May to arrest dissident journalist Roman Protasevich, she condemned the incident. However, she said: “It would appear that the young fella they were bringing down had developed links with Neo Nazis in Ukraine. Doesn’t justify the action, but by all accounts a very unsavoury young fella.”

Wallace on Ukraine:

Wallace has spoken about Ukraine, too, saying it is facing “a serious problem with far-right extremism and violence” and wanted to add the words “neo-fascist and neo-Nazi groups” to an EP resolution about the EU Association Agreement with Ukraine in February.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/tensions-rise-over-mick-wallace-s-and-clare-daly-s-views-1.4610010

touts

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118727804#Comment_118727804

Shocking. We need an investigation into the funding of Wallace, Daly, Barrett, and the rest of the Putin Before People cabal.

Lord Nelson

Seriously, if that pair of scarecrows had been around in the 1930’s, we’d all be speaking German now assuming of course we actually lived to tell the tale. Why don’t they eff off to Syria or North Korea where I’m sure they’d be welcomed with open arms.

touts

Paul Murphy is at it now on the Tonight Show. Anti-NATO Anti-US and against Ireland being able to defend itself from his beloved Russia.

Another Traitor!

Cpxxc

This is what I love about Boards. The ability of knowledgeable people to evicierarate the likes of Daly and Wallace. Wallace remember went to Syria and portrayed it as a holiday resort.

We Irish tend to assume even our worst bigots are harmless.

We need to rethink that.

Cpxxc

awec

"I don't support Russia's invasion of Ukraine but...." is definitely the new "I'm not a racist but...".

Murphy / Boyd-Barrett / Wallace / Daly are all fools, but they are not alone. Twitter is full of Irish leftists struggling to perform the gymnastics required to avoid having to be overly critical of Putin and Russia.

liamtech

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118729188#Comment_118729188

Hard to disagree atm. The Pb4P group really need to re-evaluate their positions on this topic - the above mentioned TDs/MEPs are going to lose support, especially if the worst happens and the Ukraine falls. it will look absolutely mental for these representatives to continue to rant about 'western aggression' in the new reality

as for the twitter crowd of 'whatabouteries' - i have personal experience with this tonight; im only back from visiting a close friend, who is a good egg - but - 'what about Palestine liam.. what about Iraq?' she is a good egg - alas, i did lose it (slightly) - silver lining is she know gets it so - change minds, respond to a bad idea with good ideas

Its blood boiling - i feel like printing leaflets that i can just hand people who 'whatabout' me

nteytaa

As new an introduction -

i am alligned to no political party\governmet\country\religion.

It is ubfortunate that i see those on this board as holding themselves up in their own high esteem are the most ignorant of fact.

Fact is what the corrupt\liar\thieves politicians force on you and seen by comments as swallowed with little investigation before your comments.

recent vote in UN saw 5 against 35 abstain and 12 no vote.

there have been a few brave journalists that have managed in last few days to get published in mainstream media whom

ran with title usa and eu in trouble as 1/5th of UN is seen off-side-

Fact 52 of 195 is over 1/4 and that is the government not the citizens as in ireland ALL the citizens support the governments narrative.

Fact usa and eu combined is popuklation over just over 300 million whilst russia with "Abstain" india and china is population of near

3 billion humans. -

biuden and eu leader words of the world is with us - Is factually propagander that runs hollow -

The pro usa and hangers onto the skirt is NOT the world.

FF and FG with greens government is not the world complete iriland citizens agreeing with the usa eu actions.

did you hear irish government minister byrne on newstalk

his statement in response to ukraine attacks and genocide is "absolute lies" this an irish government minister taking taxpayers money and

telling lies to support a political narrative that is false.

The UN and OSCE (osce member killed in last 2 days doing a job where byrne i doubt has ever been there)

log\investigate all incidents\attacks and bombing\shooting - so byrne is calling UN and OSCE liars.

He obviously got carried away with himself and failed to realise responsibility to public who pay him to think of whom

he may be calling lkiars as he attempts to support false propagander statements and paint one side in a conflict a colour

to aid usa geo-politics.

(of course this proves now a pain in rear end to go through procedure to hold byrne responsible under irish legislation

as standards in public office -aside from apology to the OSCE members family for painting their dedicated work as "absolute lies".

many months this will take in a so called democracy - Yet just as eu leader got up and with near tears and quiver voice proclaimed

ukraine children are being killed now --

Fact children have been killed in donetsk and lugansk region since 2014 to date - BUT only now eu leader and parliament decide to open their mouths

and paint one side of a non eu conflict as evil.

those whom attack\deride Daly etc. are the most ignorant of Fact of lack of democracy and accountability in ireland and eu.

you and your families are in danger of nuclear strike (ireland maybe not so much as is seen as nothing in world view despite attempt at

over hyped importance.)

Non eu conflict is no business of eu and to say going to supply weapons and amunition to one side of a non eu conflict

LISTEN CAREFULLY means FACT you make eu citizens as ENEMY and legitimate target for a side in the conflict.

EU citizens are put in danger to support a geopolitical narrative and interference by usa between two NON eu countries.

example india and south america have conflict and eu arms one - the other sees eu as enemy.

example (pick any you want i use poland) decides to suply ukraine with weapons and ammunition and during delivery the eu country

delivery and people delivering are destroyed\killed as they pass over the border - so is poland going to say they now at war -

this brings all eu into war ---

HAVE any of you even thought of that?

So sit firing off against Daly etc. and support irish government and lies and eu support usa geo-political -

Without thinking Russia has no option other to go nuke if combined usa\nato\eu form attack group.

Ukraine - we are not talking usa carpet bomb and destroy iraq - we are seeing ukraine military taken out and surprise upto yesterday ukranians could still use their mobile phones-

usa kills communication on 1st day. -- so aids hiding the mass slaughter of civillians during carpet bombing.

The goal as usa and eu failed to stop the ukraine government killing (eu leaders words "children") in eastern ukraine.

The failure of usa and eu to force ukraine to comply with minsk and near eight years of deaths and destruction needed

someone with "guts\strength" unlike irish government politicians to bring it to a halt.

the russia\putin evil is by a chorus of usa and eu corrupt liars attempting to hide their guilt for doing nothing.

Again as libya\iraq\syria the eu citizens have to pay the cost and accept refugees for usa geo-political moves.

mc entee -special moves for ukraine refugeews -- well how come all this hightened concern was not there for

iraq refugees and usa called evil --

This points at the truth and fact -You the irish and eu citizens are lied to and have to suffer the cost and the

possiblity of nuclear destruction for someone elses evil actions and it is not russia evil action with iraq\syria\libya etc.,etc.

Maybe you should pay more attention to Daly etc instaed of ff\fg and greens sprouting lies on news and radio

(resident south dublin)

Akrasia

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118727555#Comment_118727555

RBB made his political career from being at the top of the socialist workers party. A party so hated amongst the mainstream left that they constantly had to hide behind front groups so people would go to their marches. The Irish Anti War Movement for example was little more than a device got them to fundraise and gather names for their mailing list. They literally sabotaged other anti war protestors attempts to hold direct action events that would have shut down Shannon's participation in the supply chain (even if only temporarily)

They hijacked every social movement of the last 40 years just to get their leaders into office where they can side either the effing Russian fascist dictatorship against a democratic state

Brussels Sprout

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118730713#Comment_118730713

(resident south dublin)

Hello Brand New Account. May I ask where you are originally from? The reason that I ask is that the way that you structure your sentences is distinctly Russian and more to the point your post is full of standard Kremlin propaganda talking points

i am alligned to no political party\governmet\country\religion.

I do not believe you.

Is factually propagander 

I literally read this bit in my head in a Russian accent

Enduro

The sanctions must be having an effect if that diatribe was the best they can afford!

nteytaa

Born uk lived in ireland -post 18years old travelled lived many countries across planet and now "about 20 years back in ireland"

Type single finger fast and not bother with auto or spell check -

fact more important than spelling and grammer.

Professional legal fraternity Use\Abuse the language in colourful portraits when in a court room.

whilst the documents for legal purposes must be 100% correct or thrown out -

this not court room but definitely many require education on geo-politics and FACTS of life..

You may not like seeing it on tv but the lion kills the young gazelle for food. that is fact just as

military power and the politicians will lie to you for power and control.