Are Mick Wallace and Clare Daly Irelands greatest shame?

NickNickleby

Years ago, I knew someone who worked alongside her in the trade union movement ( just to be clear, this someone was in the union, I don't know if C.D. was). They said she was a loose cannon maverick. And this was before she went for TD. Apparently she was the type that would scupper progress just to get the last word. My person was pretty left-leaning anti establishment herself, so this was quite interesting.

Brussels Sprout

There's definitely an air of the University debating society about the two of them (in terms of their rhetoric). It's like they're taking a preposterous position just so they can show how clever they are by trying to credibly argue in favour of it. It's not about what is right, it's about not backing down regardless of how the situation changes. In other words, it's a load of guff that's being fueled by their own sense of superiority.

touts

Mick Barry on Drivetime now with the same Anti-Nato (i.e. pro Russian) bullsh1t. Just like Rich Boy-Barrett he airbrushed the Soviet Union out of genocidal history and blamed it all on the Czar.

These PBP traitors will have us all in Russian workcamps before the end of the decade if we don't do something about them.

Topgear on Dave

I caught the end of Mick. He's some gowl.

We should extend "solidarity and inspiration" to the people of Ukraine, but not weapons, definitely not weapons.

Dempo1

In relation to Thread Question , they are and an absolute and continuing embarrassment.

I'll now bite my lip now as my Blood Boiling at this latest stunt 😡

ebbsy

Tell that to the women having babies over there Mick, gobshite.

Brussels Sprout

Richard Boyd Barrett said something similar yesterday. What planet are they on? They'd rather see the Ukrainians get slaughtered than see their ideology sullied by arming them. It's preposterous - like some kind of performance art.

You know it actually reminds me of people that they would consider themselves completely opposite to: Pro-Life Catholics. The ones that are both anti-abortion and anti-contraception. They too are not willing to temper their ideology despite it being woefully inadequate to deal with the real world.

Both groups are ideologues. Completely impractical but they don't care about that as long as they maintain their own purity.

Brussels Sprout

Naomi O'Leary (the Irish Times European correspondent) wrote an excellent piece on this pair last summer.

Here are some choice quotes that show you exactly who they are and what they stand for:

Daly on Navalny:

In speeches, both Wallace and Daly accused the European Parliament of being “anti-Russian”, with Daly asking why MEPs were so worked up about the arrest of poison-survivor and opposition figure Alexei Navalny. He is, she claimed, a “vicious anti-immigrant racist”, before asking where was the outcry about the recent arrest of anti-lockdown protesters in Brussels. Her speech was republished by Russian state media.

Wallace on Bashar al-Assad:

Particularly when it comes to atrocities in Syria, Wallace’s interventions have caused fury. In April, he confronted the director general of the Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons, Fernando Arias, during a committee meeting.

There, he put forward the conspiratorial claims championed by Syrian president Assad that western forces staged a chemical attack on civilians for which Assad is blamed. Those truly to blame were the White Helmets, Wallace claimed – a frequently smeared Syrian volunteer rescue group which has extensively documented attacks by Assad and Russian forces in opposition-held areas.

Daly on the forced Belarus Ryanair diversion:

After Belarusian dictator Alexander Lukashenko forced down a Ryanair flight in May to arrest dissident journalist Roman Protasevich, she condemned the incident. However, she said: “It would appear that the young fella they were bringing down had developed links with Neo Nazis in Ukraine. Doesn’t justify the action, but by all accounts a very unsavoury young fella.”

Wallace on Ukraine:

Wallace has spoken about Ukraine, too, saying it is facing “a serious problem with far-right extremism and violence” and wanted to add the words “neo-fascist and neo-Nazi groups” to an EP resolution about the EU Association Agreement with Ukraine in February.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/tensions-rise-over-mick-wallace-s-and-clare-daly-s-views-1.4610010

touts

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118727804#Comment_118727804

Shocking. We need an investigation into the funding of Wallace, Daly, Barrett, and the rest of the Putin Before People cabal.

Lord Nelson

Seriously, if that pair of scarecrows had been around in the 1930’s, we’d all be speaking German now assuming of course we actually lived to tell the tale. Why don’t they eff off to Syria or North Korea where I’m sure they’d be welcomed with open arms.

touts

Paul Murphy is at it now on the Tonight Show. Anti-NATO Anti-US and against Ireland being able to defend itself from his beloved Russia.

Another Traitor!

Cpxxc

This is what I love about Boards. The ability of knowledgeable people to evicierarate the likes of Daly and Wallace. Wallace remember went to Syria and portrayed it as a holiday resort.

We Irish tend to assume even our worst bigots are harmless.

We need to rethink that.

Cpxxc

awec

"I don't support Russia's invasion of Ukraine but...." is definitely the new "I'm not a racist but...".

Murphy / Boyd-Barrett / Wallace / Daly are all fools, but they are not alone. Twitter is full of Irish leftists struggling to perform the gymnastics required to avoid having to be overly critical of Putin and Russia.

liamtech

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118729188#Comment_118729188

Hard to disagree atm. The Pb4P group really need to re-evaluate their positions on this topic - the above mentioned TDs/MEPs are going to lose support, especially if the worst happens and the Ukraine falls. it will look absolutely mental for these representatives to continue to rant about 'western aggression' in the new reality

as for the twitter crowd of 'whatabouteries' - i have personal experience with this tonight; im only back from visiting a close friend, who is a good egg - but - 'what about Palestine liam.. what about Iraq?' she is a good egg - alas, i did lose it (slightly) - silver lining is she know gets it so - change minds, respond to a bad idea with good ideas

Its blood boiling - i feel like printing leaflets that i can just hand people who 'whatabout' me

nteytaa

As new an introduction -

i am alligned to no political party\governmet\country\religion.

It is ubfortunate that i see those on this board as holding themselves up in their own high esteem are the most ignorant of fact.

Fact is what the corrupt\liar\thieves politicians force on you and seen by comments as swallowed with little investigation before your comments.

recent vote in UN saw 5 against 35 abstain and 12 no vote.

there have been a few brave journalists that have managed in last few days to get published in mainstream media whom

ran with title usa and eu in trouble as 1/5th of UN is seen off-side-

Fact 52 of 195 is over 1/4 and that is the government not the citizens as in ireland ALL the citizens support the governments narrative.

Fact usa and eu combined is popuklation over just over 300 million whilst russia with "Abstain" india and china is population of near

3 billion humans. -

biuden and eu leader words of the world is with us - Is factually propagander that runs hollow -

The pro usa and hangers onto the skirt is NOT the world.

FF and FG with greens government is not the world complete iriland citizens agreeing with the usa eu actions.

did you hear irish government minister byrne on newstalk

his statement in response to ukraine attacks and genocide is "absolute lies" this an irish government minister taking taxpayers money and

telling lies to support a political narrative that is false.

The UN and OSCE (osce member killed in last 2 days doing a job where byrne i doubt has ever been there)

log\investigate all incidents\attacks and bombing\shooting - so byrne is calling UN and OSCE liars.

He obviously got carried away with himself and failed to realise responsibility to public who pay him to think of whom

he may be calling lkiars as he attempts to support false propagander statements and paint one side in a conflict a colour

to aid usa geo-politics.

(of course this proves now a pain in rear end to go through procedure to hold byrne responsible under irish legislation

as standards in public office -aside from apology to the OSCE members family for painting their dedicated work as "absolute lies".

many months this will take in a so called democracy - Yet just as eu leader got up and with near tears and quiver voice proclaimed

ukraine children are being killed now --

Fact children have been killed in donetsk and lugansk region since 2014 to date - BUT only now eu leader and parliament decide to open their mouths

and paint one side of a non eu conflict as evil.

those whom attack\deride Daly etc. are the most ignorant of Fact of lack of democracy and accountability in ireland and eu.

you and your families are in danger of nuclear strike (ireland maybe not so much as is seen as nothing in world view despite attempt at

over hyped importance.)

Non eu conflict is no business of eu and to say going to supply weapons and amunition to one side of a non eu conflict

LISTEN CAREFULLY means FACT you make eu citizens as ENEMY and legitimate target for a side in the conflict.

EU citizens are put in danger to support a geopolitical narrative and interference by usa between two NON eu countries.

example india and south america have conflict and eu arms one - the other sees eu as enemy.

example (pick any you want i use poland) decides to suply ukraine with weapons and ammunition and during delivery the eu country

delivery and people delivering are destroyed\killed as they pass over the border - so is poland going to say they now at war -

this brings all eu into war ---

HAVE any of you even thought of that?

So sit firing off against Daly etc. and support irish government and lies and eu support usa geo-political -

Without thinking Russia has no option other to go nuke if combined usa\nato\eu form attack group.

Ukraine - we are not talking usa carpet bomb and destroy iraq - we are seeing ukraine military taken out and surprise upto yesterday ukranians could still use their mobile phones-

usa kills communication on 1st day. -- so aids hiding the mass slaughter of civillians during carpet bombing.

The goal as usa and eu failed to stop the ukraine government killing (eu leaders words "children") in eastern ukraine.

The failure of usa and eu to force ukraine to comply with minsk and near eight years of deaths and destruction needed

someone with "guts\strength" unlike irish government politicians to bring it to a halt.

the russia\putin evil is by a chorus of usa and eu corrupt liars attempting to hide their guilt for doing nothing.

Again as libya\iraq\syria the eu citizens have to pay the cost and accept refugees for usa geo-political moves.

mc entee -special moves for ukraine refugeews -- well how come all this hightened concern was not there for

iraq refugees and usa called evil --

This points at the truth and fact -You the irish and eu citizens are lied to and have to suffer the cost and the

possiblity of nuclear destruction for someone elses evil actions and it is not russia evil action with iraq\syria\libya etc.,etc.

Maybe you should pay more attention to Daly etc instaed of ff\fg and greens sprouting lies on news and radio

(resident south dublin)

Akrasia

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118727555#Comment_118727555

RBB made his political career from being at the top of the socialist workers party. A party so hated amongst the mainstream left that they constantly had to hide behind front groups so people would go to their marches. The Irish Anti War Movement for example was little more than a device got them to fundraise and gather names for their mailing list. They literally sabotaged other anti war protestors attempts to hold direct action events that would have shut down Shannon's participation in the supply chain (even if only temporarily)

They hijacked every social movement of the last 40 years just to get their leaders into office where they can side either the effing Russian fascist dictatorship against a democratic state

Brussels Sprout

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118730713#Comment_118730713

(resident south dublin)

Hello Brand New Account. May I ask where you are originally from? The reason that I ask is that the way that you structure your sentences is distinctly Russian and more to the point your post is full of standard Kremlin propaganda talking points

i am alligned to no political party\governmet\country\religion.

I do not believe you.

Is factually propagander 

I literally read this bit in my head in a Russian accent

Enduro

The sanctions must be having an effect if that diatribe was the best they can afford!

nteytaa

Born uk lived in ireland -post 18years old travelled lived many countries across planet and now "about 20 years back in ireland"

Type single finger fast and not bother with auto or spell check -

fact more important than spelling and grammer.

Professional legal fraternity Use\Abuse the language in colourful portraits when in a court room.

whilst the documents for legal purposes must be 100% correct or thrown out -

this not court room but definitely many require education on geo-politics and FACTS of life..

You may not like seeing it on tv but the lion kills the young gazelle for food. that is fact just as

military power and the politicians will lie to you for power and control.

El Gato De Negocios

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118731954#Comment_118731954

Putinbot opening "new account" be all

looksee

fact more important than spelling and grammer.

Yes that was a fad the UK education system ran with some years ago. Then, as now, this resulted in incomprehensible stream of consciousness stuff that no-one could be bothered reading after the first couple of incoherent sentences.

I see sheep

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118728752#Comment_118728752

Why would someone 'Anti-NATO Anti-US' be a traitor if they're not American or in NATO?

Not sure you can be a traitor no an organisation actually so I guess you mean the US?

nteytaa

looksee we all ignorant sheep and dont want to tax the little brain we have with reading facts and passing 3 lines

1 or 2 lines of lies become fact because? Answer ___________________

(thatll keep you wondering all day lol)

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118732154#Comment_118732154

Indeed it will.

Although we may not be wondering about what you'd like us to be wondering about, lol.

touts

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118732110#Comment_118732110

They are traitors because they are against Ireland being able to defend itself. It may be against an invasion by NATO but in the real world that is against an invasion by Russia. They would leave us weak and vulnerable to conquest. That makes them traitors.

Akrasia

It's fine for someone to object to being in NATO. It is not fine to use the existence of NATO to justify the invasion by Russia of Ukraine

I don't think Ireland should join NATO because by the time Ireland are genuinely threatened militarily, so many other things will have gone wrong that being in NATO won't help us, but rather drag us militarily into other people's conflicts abroad

If Ireland was in NATO Irish troops would likely have been sent to shoot goat herders in Afghanistan after 911

Patrick2010

Russia bot seemingly allowed post on boards, lives in Ireland for 20 years but posts in fractured Russian/English text

SouthWesterly

The biggest shame are those who voted these cretins in and who will vote for them again

I see sheep

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118735524#Comment_118735524

What a load of garbage.