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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,985 ✭✭✭ protonmike


    In relation to vaccines for just the elderly and vulnerable, that was never a plan... It was generally that they'd be the first to get the vaccine and it would be rolled out to younger age groups based on availability.


    Also in relation to your thirty thousand, by your logic if somebody dies from blunt force trauma after being vaccinated.. Then it was the vaccine that killed them. Why have you ignored the disclaimer?



  • Subscribers Posts: 35,347 ✭✭✭✭ sydthebeat


    you will get to your 30,000 very soon

    did you miss this line in the opening page?

    Since one individual case may contain more than one suspected side effect, the sum of the number of fatal cases per reaction group will always be higher than the total number of fatal cases.

    so for all you know all the deaths are inclusive in the biggest number, and not cumulative of all the numbers as you seem to be in the misunderstanding of.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 23,118 Mod ✭✭✭✭ robinph


    Whilst remembering that there are real peoples lives behind the stats whenever they get presented, it is entertaining to try to find the most ridiculous cause of death that anti-vaxers are attempting to claim as deaths from the vaccines.

    So far I've discovered deaths by flatulence, anal fistula, blindness, heamoroids, tooth loss, ear pain, tinnitus, decapitation, feeling cold, feeling hot, being drunk, malaise, wheelchair user, dialysis, back pain ... and it just goes on. If we knew what half the medical terms meant without needing to Google each one then there would be another 29,500 ish totally unrelated to the vaccines reasons given for the deaths that have been logged within that number quoted by Lex Luthor. Then once you drill down into those remaining cases that are potentially caused by the vaccine you would most likely show quite easily that the majority of those are nothing to do with it either.



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,197 ✭✭✭✭ Lex Luthor


    people died from falling off a ladder but were categorised as a covid death once they were tested



  • Registered Users Posts: 22,045 ✭✭✭✭ King Mob


    Again. A lie.

    And it's very hypocritical.

    This is exactly what you are doing when you are misrepresenting the data you have not actually looked at.

    You are either doing this on purpose and you are actually that dishonest.

    Or you have no idea that's what you're doing because you have no idea what you're actually saying because you are incompetant.


    Which is it?

    My bet's on the former given your very dishonest behaviour and your very selective dodging of points.


    Again, boggles the mind that some one would actually do this just to play pretend.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,985 ✭✭✭ protonmike


    Gonna need proof of that please. And still avoiding the fact you ignored the disclaimer..



  • Registered Users Posts: 22,045 ✭✭✭✭ King Mob


    He can't address it, so now he's spewing out more stuff he can parrot to try and distract people.

    He's hoping that people will forget this so he can try the same lie again down the line.


    He won't acknowledge it. He won't admit it beyond what he's already admitted. Doubt he'll even think too deeply about it himself.

    Doesn't matter what he says, as long as he can pretend he's defended the conspiracy theory.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 23,118 Mod ✭✭✭✭ robinph


    Even though that isn't what happened, you clearly understand the concept of someone having covid but dying from something unrelated. Why can you not understand the concept of someone having been vaccinated but dying of something unrelated?



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,197 ✭✭✭✭ Lex Luthor




  • Registered Users Posts: 11,197 ✭✭✭✭ Lex Luthor




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  • Registered Users Posts: 11,197 ✭✭✭✭ Lex Luthor


    explain all the issues football players are having with heart issues?

    Eriksen...advised to retire

    Aguero - retired

    Lindelof - taken off on Saturday

    explain all these aswell


    33 year old pro dancer Santo Giuliano suffers heart attack 5 days after vaccine.

    32 year old Olympic Tennis player Joachim Gerard collapses during match with heart problems.

    19 year old Football player Jalen Leavey dies at campus after the game.

    23 year old Baseball player Daniel Brito suffers stroke during game.

    19 year old Football player Tirrell Williams dies following on-field collapse.

    21 year old Football player Okafor Kelechi dies during training.

    29 year old Football player Lee Moses dies during training session.

    15 year old Footballer Stephen Sylvester collapsed and dies during conditioning practice.

    18 year old Football player Emmanual Antwi dies after collapsing on the field.

    13 year old Football player Cajetan Chinoyelum Nsofor dies during practice.

    15 year old Soccer player Moira Claire Arney died during practice.

    Junior High School Baseball Pitcher Andrew Roseman died suddenly and unexpectedly, no further information given.

    17 year old Footballer Nickolas Lawrinas died suddenly and unexpectedly, cause given by media, unclear.

    17 year old Footballer Miquel Lugo collapsed and died during practice.

    16 year old Football player Devon DuHart mysteriously died in July 2021.

    16 year old Footballer Ivan Hicks dies of Cardiovascular Disease during Scrimmage.

    19 year old Footballer Joe Bradshaw dies mysteriously off campus, not conclusion of death.

    16 year old Football player Drake Geiger collapses and dies during game.

    15 year old Football player Joshua Ivory collapses and dies during game.

    19 year old Football player Quandarius Wilburn collapses during practice and later dies.

    17 year old Football player Dimitri McKee passes out and dies after practice.

    28 year old Rugby play Tevita Bryce collapses during game from heart attack.

    29 year old Rugby player Dave Hyde collapses and dies after match.

    27 year old Baseball player Yusuke Kinoshita collapses and dies during practice.

    32 year old Champion Speed Skater Kjeld Nuis suffered Pericarditis after the vaccine.

    24 year old Olympic Cyclist Olivia Podmore dies suddenly and mysteriously in her room.

    During that week another athlete sprinter Cameron Burell also dies mysteriously.

    23 year old China Olympics Champion Gilbert Kwemoi collapsed in his home and died on the way to hospital.

    37-year-old former French professional footballer Franck Berrier dead.

    Germany goalkeeping coach of SV Niederpöring suffers heart attack.

    24 years Bordeaux pro Samuel Kalu suffers cardiac arrest.

    25 years old Belgian soccer player Jente Van Genechten suffers cardiac arrest.

    31 years old Fabrice N'Sakala Besiktas Istanbul collapses on the field.

    29 years old Pedro Obiang Italian first division after vaccination has myocarditis.

    30 year old Venezuelan National Marathon Champion Alexaida Guedez dead.

    29 years old José dos Reis (Luxembourg) collapses on the field and has to be resuscitated.

    16 years old Diego Ferchaud from ASPTT Caen suffers a cardiac arrest.

    16-year-old unnamed football player in Bergamo suffers cardiac arrest.

    27 years old Belgian amateur soccer player Jens De Smet dead.

    13-year-old soccer player from the Janus Nova club collapses on the field with cardiac arrest.

    17 year old soccer player Dylan Rich dies of a double heart attack during a game.

    24 years old Lucas Surek from BFC Chemie Leipzig suffers from myocarditis.

    45 years old Andrea Astolfi, sporting director of Calcio Orsago dead with no previous illness.

    22 years old Abou Ali collapses with cardiac arrest during a two-tier game in Denmark.

    19 years old ice hockey player Sebastiaan Bos dead. Passed away suddenly and unexpectedly.

    40 years old A half marathon runner collapsed during the race and died a little later.

    Germany Anil Usta from VfB Schwelm breaks on the field with heart problems.

    33 years old Dimitri Liénard from FC Strasbourg collapses with heart problems.

    37 years old Ex-NFL professional Parys Haralson dies suddenly and unexpectedly.

    25 years old Kingsley Coman from FC Bayern Munich, operation on the heart after an arrhythmia.

    25 years old Canadian university football player Francis Perron dead shortly after a match.

    19 year old FC Nantes soccer player suffers cardiac arrest during training.

    Germany volleyball trainer Dirk Splisteser from SG Traktor Divitz collapses dead on the sidelines.

    Germany, 42 years old Alexander Siegfried dead suddenly and unexpectedly.

    A 17-year-old athlete from Colverde collapses while training with cardiac arrest.

    France, 49 years oldSC Massay player dead of heart attack during the game.

    Mexico, Caddy Alberto Olguin collapses on the golf course after a heart attack.

    29 years old Shrewsbury striker Ryan Bowman treated with defibrillator during play with extreme heart problems.

    Italy, 18 year old soccer player suddenly faints on the field.

    France, 40 years old A Saint-James player suffers a heart attack after warming up.

    Italy, 59 years old long-distance runner from Biella dies of heart failure during a race.

    Germany, Women's League match, a player collapses shortly before the end without any opposing influence.

    25 years German goalkeeper Lukas Bommer dies suddenly and unexpectedly.

    Mexico, 16 years old student Hector Manuel Mendoza dies of a heart attack while training Brazil.

    18 years old pro footballer Fellipe de Jesus Moreira has double heart attack and is fighting for his life.

    Italy, 27 years old cycling champion Gianni Moscon has to undergo an operation because of severe cardiac arrhythmias.

    English lineswoman Helen Byrne, heart problems has to be carried off the pitch at world up.

    Germany Game abandoned due to cardiac arrest of the referee in a game of Lauber SV.

    Italy, 20 years old young rider suffers a heart attack.

    17-year-old soccer player of the JSG High Hagen has revived during game.

    16 years old collapses while playing soccer and dies a little later.

    USA a high school football player collapsed during practice and died in the hospital.

    Germany 15 years old goalkeeper Bruno Stein dead.

    USA, 14-year-old soccer player Ava Azzopardi collapsed on pitch, is fighting for her life in an artificial coma.

    France, 41 years old soccer player collapsed on the field and died due to cardiac arrest.

    Austria, 26 years old Raphael Dwamena collapsed with severe heart problems.

    USA, 12 year old Jayson Kidd collapsed during basketball practice and later died.

    Spain, 33-year-old striker Kun Agüero had to be replaced in a game due to heart problems.

    USA 21 year old Senior student athlete John Stokes suffers with Myocarditis.

    22 year old Cyclist Greg Luyssen forced to end his career after vaccine due to heart problems"



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,197 ✭✭✭✭ Lex Luthor


    Increases in myocarditis in young males from Vaccine





  • Registered Users Posts: 11,197 ✭✭✭✭ Lex Luthor


    https://twitter.com/jrd0000/status/1445407292460052480?s=12

    Joe Duffy (RTE) Liveline Show Tuesday 5th October 2021

    "Strokes seem to be every couple of hours....I've never heard of so many people having strokes“



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,197 ✭✭✭✭ Lex Luthor


    Risk/Reward for under 25’s from getting vaccine does not match up with the data

    Again, I ask, how many deaths under the age of 25 have we had in Ireland according to the CSO from COVID?

    Have a guess....



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,197 ✭✭✭✭ Lex Luthor


    Here's some info on the "vaccines"


    117 people need to have the vaccine to prevent 1 case

    With a survival rate of approx. 99.86%, 999 people will survive out of every 1,000

    You would need then to prevent 1,000 cases to prevent 1 death

    You would need to vaccinate 117,000 people to save 1 life (117 x 1,000)

    By end of June 2021, 134,000 in the US were fully vaccinated

    By end of June 2021, there were a reported 10,355 deaths from the Covid Vaccine

    134,000,000 divided 10,355 = 12,940 (Vaccination to death ratio)

    1 death per 12,940 vaccinations or for every 12,940 vaccinations there was one death

    When you vaccinate 117,000 people to save 1 life, 9.04 people will die from the vaccine

    Based on this data, you are 9 times more likely to die from the vaccine than from COVID itself on average across the whole age groups

    The risk from COVID in the younger 0-24 age group, particularly if you are fit & healthy is a lot less



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,333 ✭✭✭ Fighting Tao


    Woah. Has Facebook taken over Boards? Are you trying to overwhelm with (mis)information in the hope that some sticks?

    As for risk reward of under 25’s, I don’t think you know how vaccines work. One of she wonderful things they do is lower the length of time that someone can spread the virus. It’s quite handy especially as under 25’s mix with people of all ages.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 23,118 Mod ✭✭✭✭ robinph





  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 23,118 Mod ✭✭✭✭ robinph


    Befor we go too far off in a different direction, have you dropped the claim about 30k+ deaths in the EU caused by the Pfizer vaccine?




    I assume that you can show the media to reports for each of these cases that shows clearly that they have been linked to the vaccines?



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 23,118 Mod ✭✭✭✭ robinph


    What is your source for 10k deaths from the vaccines in the US?


    Why is that so significantly less than your equally nonsense number of 30k deaths in the EU which has an equivalent population to the US?


    Why is the numbers for the EU and the US several large multiples different from the UK numbers? Does that not point to the fact that you just maybe don't understand the numbers that you are reading?



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  • Registered Users Posts: 9,669 ✭✭✭ The Nal


    A few reasons for footballers - Post Covid residual myocarditis, steroids in sport (and football in particular).

    And sadly, its not unusual.

    I loved the one last week, Charlie Wyke, a Wigan player had a heart issue and the usual anti vaxx thing was thrown out and it turns out he wasnt vaccinated.

    Ageuro the same. Has had issues with his heart from his teens.

    Post edited by The Nal on


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,823 ✭✭✭ Hoop66


    Whatever Facebook/Twitter account you copied that from is run by an idiot.



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,197 ✭✭✭✭ Lex Luthor


    spread the virus to who?

    More U25's?

    So what, they are not at risk so why the need to take something experimental?



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,197 ✭✭✭✭ Lex Luthor


    never said 30k+ deaths were linked to the Pfizer one

    Read again, I said all 4 of them...



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,197 ✭✭✭✭ Lex Luthor


    How convenient that story is about Aguero


    He just moved to one of the biggest clubs in the world, would have had a very stringent medical and if he had heart issues do you think he would have played at such a high level for so long and then all of a sudden after getting the jab he's got heart issues.

    Seriously??



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,333 ✭✭✭ Fighting Tao


    I’ll just assume that you didn’t understand what I said, and you quoted. Otherwise you wouldn’t have posted drivel.



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,197 ✭✭✭✭ Lex Luthor




  • Registered Users Posts: 9,669 ✭✭✭ The Nal


    Its well known that he had heart issues.

    Referencing a previous heart problem, Argentinian team doctor Donato Villani told reporters: "He felt bad twice, and with the medical history he has, since he was operated on when he was 15, we wanted to be sure it was nothing.

    Im sure (although I wont bother checking because you didnt bother) thats the case with loads of the "vaccine caused it" cases you posted above.



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  • Subscribers Posts: 35,347 ✭✭✭✭ sydthebeat


    again... its unfortunate that the medical certificate handed out by facebook doesnt include include a module of "comprehension" in it...

    otherwise lexy baby wouldn't have missed this glaring disclaimer on the first page:

    When evaluating data from VAERS, it is important to note that for any reported event, no cause-and-effect relationship has been established.

    The report of an adverse event to VAERS is not documentation that a vaccine caused the event.


    but anyway, as we have seen across many of these CTers, comprehension doesn't often go beyond remedial level.



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