Considering giving up main job for side hustle.

Dontfadeaway

floorpie wrote: »

I've scraped that depressing site and for anybody interested here are the stats (yes I have too much time)

Exec summary:
1) OP might be telling the truth but is overly ambitious
3) OF is a bad business to get into
4) Girls and guys selling nudes account for 0.00129% of Irish GDP

* There are ~800 Irish accounts visible

* The average subscription price is $6 and the median is $5 (prices are in dollars)

* The average number of likes is 3864 and the median is 134, the range is 0 - 267311

* Of the 800 accounts, 22% (176) earn zero per month, and ~50% make <$10

* Only 57 make their number of subscribers known, the rest hide it (in other words, for these 57 you can know their income from subscriptions, the rest you can not)

* Of these 57 accounts, here are the number of subscribers and the earnings per month for the top 5 accounts in order:

4687 -- $18,748
371 -- $5,156.9
31 -- $620
29 -- $522
35 -- $279.65

* The top account (with 4687 subscribers) is Matty Gilbert, so in terms of subscriber numbers he doesn't earn €50k per month as claimed by media: https://www.fm104.ie/news/buzz/irish-dad-opens-up-about-decision-to-start-only-fans-where-he-earns-e50k-a-month/
You can verify that this information is all current by looking at the number of subscribers listed on his page right now (4.6K): https://onlyfans.com/mattygilbert91

* Based on the 57 accounts that show both #subscribers and #likes, you can roughly model the number of subscribers for accounts where it is unknown; on average users get ~0.02 subscribers for each like

* Based on this rough model, the average income for all accounts is $521 per month, and the median is $14, with a tiny % accounting for most income

* The range of income is 0 - $32,000 (i.e. OP's estimate of possible income is pretty good)

* Only 80 accounts make $1000 a month or more

* 10 accounts make $10,000 or more (OP is top tier)

* Many accounts like to brag about being in the top x% of earners, based on information they're privy to via OF. I believe many are incorrect about their standing, but nevertheless it gives you an idea of how much work you need to do to get into a certain select strata, and how little reward you get for being in the top tiers:

Claimed Top %

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#Likes

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Estimated Base Income per month
16

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547

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82.05
14

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1500

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225
11

---

3600

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540
1.9

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5,000

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690
1

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13,331

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750
1

---

44,000

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2403.9
0.8

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4600

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1999.65
0.9

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16,026

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6600

* These figures don't include tips and requests, which may account for 0-50% additional income

* There's no correlation between attractiveness and income (my personal judgment), so perhaps it's a good business to get into if you're a 5/10 and I'm considering a career change

All in all, OP, your ambition to become the top 0.01% of Irish earners on OF is probably unrealistic just based on probabilities and level of competition. For anybody else, don't get into the porn business, you likely wont make any money

I would say he did make that but that was his biggest month. He would have been charging more than he is now and with the low price he is trying to keep his followers now. I think it would be hard to keep interest going after the first few months.

floorpie

Dontfadeaway wrote: »

I would say he did make that but that was his biggest month. He would have been charging more than he is now and with the low price he is trying to keep his followers now. I think it would be hard to keep interest going after the first few months.

Yeah exactly. I noticed that pricing in the top tier of earners varies wildly, so it isn't the case that the highest earners command the highest prices. I'd guess that creators are jockeying for subscriptions, as you say might be the case for him.

floorpie

Lastly, I also noticed that a large number of people on it are 18.

In a small country where the display of porn is considered obscene and is censored, I really can't imagine that OF wont be regulated heavily in the medium term. Imo it wont stand that Irish 17 year olds are let be groomed to produce and distribute hardcore porn the day they hit 18.

FrankieB29

So for the people who asked for a link for proof have you actually got sent anything from this person probably not as it's all bull****

FrankieB29

Health11 wrote: »

I'm happy doing what I'm doing so will take no notice of the naysayers.

No link to back it up?

Health11

FrankieB29 wrote: »

No link to back it up?

Lol, is this your way of asking for my OF?

FrankieB29

Health11 wrote: »

Lol, is this your way of asking for my OF?

If it will put an end to this back and forth with others asking for a link but nothing back yet to prove this isnt made up send me a message.

The DayDream

floorpie wrote: »

Lastly, I also noticed that a large number of people on it are 18.

In a small country where the display of porn is considered obscene and is censored, I really can't imagine that OF wont be regulated heavily in the medium term. Imo it wont stand that Irish 17 year olds are let be groomed to produce and distribute hardcore porn the day they hit 18.

While I think it's a shame that so many young women go this route nowadays (because now that I'm older I feel like 18 year olds are still very young and naive, and I wouldn't want my daughter at it), you're talking rubbish.

Ireland doesn't have any way of stopping or regulating OF any more than they can stop any other porn site. Where are you getting the idea that the government can regulate it some how or that they're even bothered?

I think a lot of people in this thread are salty someone can make good money this way. Well folks some are born lucky (or perky, more like). As for the rest of us with our hairy pimply arses that have very limited or non existent fanbases, we will just have to keep our trousers on and keep clocking in for another 50 years or so. It ain't that bad, sure we get free coffee at my work really helps beat that 3pm slump.

Timmyr

I've asked for it and got no link

FrankieB29

Timmyr wrote: »

I've asked for it and got no link

There you go what did they say when you asked for it ?

The DayDream

The DayDream wrote: »

I think a lot of people in this thread are salty someone can make good money this way.

I think a lot of people in this thread are just not gullible.

Signore Fancy Pants

Health11 wrote: »

Lol, is this your way of asking for my OF?

G'wan,

I'll subscribe for a year to help you out, you want to give up your day job don't you.

joebloggs32

I have a safe......

The OP could stash the cash there

Timmyr

FrankieB29 wrote: »

There you go what did they say when you asked for it ?

offered me email or snapchat, didnt want to give onlyfans as they take 20%

floorpie

The DayDream wrote: »

While I think it's a shame that so many young women go this route nowadays (because now that I'm older I feel like 18 year olds are still very young and naive, and I wouldn't want my daughter at it), you're talking rubbish.

Ireland doesn't have any way of stopping or regulating OF any more than they can stop any other porn site. Where are you getting the idea that the government can regulate it some how or that they're even bothered?

In terms of government's willingness to regulate sex generally: it was recently made illegal to purchase sex in Ireland, and also to distribute porn without consent. So in a general sense, new dynamics in the world of sex work and tech are monitored and legislated for. Overall, even if society is acting more liberally when it comes to sex work, the trend to me seems to be of increasing restriction in order to protect participants.

I'm getting the idea that they might based on the fact that 1) public display of pornography is already censored in Ireland and 2) the UK has recently tried to block ALL internet pornography and require opt-in + user verification, and the Irish government have considered the same. Furthermore payment platforms and banks are increasingly refusing to deal with legit porn sites; PayPal wont take payments from OF; sites like Pornhub have just purged all unverified content (deleting 70% of their videos). All of these measures are being made to reduce risk of trafficking, to children, and in order to protect children from just viewing it. In the case of OF, essentially, some children are deciding to produce and distribute hardcore pornography the day they hit adulthood. I don't care what adults do but I just can't imagine that it'll stand as it is.

I don't know what mechanisms they could use to regulate it but if AML/KYC were mandatory it'd reduce the userbase significantly, and presumably it's ripe for money laundering activity, so, I'd expect that at the least.

Exhibit A for why regulation of pornography is sensible, we have an unverified user trying to sell homemade porn to users of a jobs board via email, we have no clue about their age, or the provenance of the images:

Timmyr wrote: »

offered me email or snapchat, didnt want to give onlyfans as they take 20%

Timmyr

floorpie wrote: »

Exhibit A for why regulation of pornography is sensible, we have an unverified user trying to sell homemade porn to users of a jobs board via email, we have no clue about their age, or the provenance of the images:

This.
This is exactly why I turned down the offer

85603

bullsht

YellowLead

Timmyr wrote: »

offered me email or snapchat, didnt want to give onlyfans as they take 20%

So like just to follow or connect on Snapchat or subscribe via email? Was there a charge or it’s just looking to amass followers?
Maybe the ask to pay for the only fans comes after you connect in the other ways?
Is it allowed to flog products on boards?

floorpie

YellowLead wrote: »

So like just to follow or connect on Snapchat or subscribe via email? Was there a charge or it’s just looking to amass followers?
Maybe the ask to pay for the only fans comes after you connect in the other ways?
Is it allowed to flog products on boards?

Snapchat has a premium function that lets people use a payment processor to take payments for certain content. If OP is trying to flog nudes via email then presumably they use Revolut or similar.

For all platforms (except OF), Snapchat, Revolut, IG, Gmail, it is against the TOC to distribute or take payment for material such as this. It's widespread enough that you'd think they turn a blind eye but they don't, people get banned, payments held etc.

Health11

YellowLead wrote: »

So like just to follow or connect on Snapchat or subscribe via email? Was there a charge or it’s just looking to amass followers?
Maybe the ask to pay for the only fans comes after you connect in the other ways?
Is it allowed to flog products on boards?

How am I flogging a product? If someone DMs and ask me for that product, it is hardly me flogging it?

Mimon

Work as an agency Nurse and do maybe one or two shifts a week to keep up the nursing while concentrating more on OFs.

If OFs dries up you will be able to go back to nursing full time.

Mimon

Signore Fancy Pants wrote: »

Doing OF for 5 months.
Now up to 12k a month.
Only doing an hour a day.
Says her social media from school/college has enough of a following to rake in 12k pm.
Has bought stocks & Bitcoin....so...maybe has 1 Bitcoin...LOL.

Only an hour or so a day suggests income is from subscriptions. Doubtful to be from requests. So let's be very very unbelievably generous and believe the OP has earned 12k pm for 5 months, thats €60k....on subscriptions.

In reality, not the case as you'd struggle to have an initial solid following, maybe a handful a week.Also, to gain a fcuk tonne of followers needed to get to €12k pm, you'd want to be doing mad stuff, like 3 girls 2 cups stuff, certainly not a casual hour or so

€12.99 seems to be a nice monthly subscription model, so let's pretend thats the one in use here. Let's pretend that people have subscribed 5 times at €12.99 a pop, totalling €64.95 each.

That's 185 people who have paid up €12.99 consistently for 5 months.....with feck all to show for it. Porn heads and perverts are a fickle bunch. Its a Pandemic, fcuk tonnes of people have been out of work. Nobody is going to consistently pay €12.99 a month to someone who isn't putting the effort in or doing requests (such as the OP). Thats a Netflix subscription.

According to Google, Belle Delphine has a $35 monthly subscription but is apparently worth it with a fcuking huuuge social media following prior to OF.

Niamh O'Connor who is apparently a really really popular Irish OF person, earned €27k in Feb.

The recent article in the Independent, stated a full time OF hawker with 200 subscriptions at $9.99 a pop, earns up to €2k pm.

Quite frankly, the OP is winding ye gullible feckers up.

The OP would need to be really fecking popular and an absolute stunner to be making anywhere near 12k pm.

Its a ballhop.

You are the one who has spent time doing numerous calculations. Wasting your time on a possible wind up means you have been the one most duped

YellowLead

Mimon wrote: »

You are the one who has spent time doing numerous calculations. Wasting your time on a possible wind up means you have been the one most duped

I think it’s more he enjoys pointing out reality to the not so bright

YellowLead

Health11 wrote: »

How am I flogging a product? If someone DMs and ask me for that product, it is hardly me flogging it?

It’s obvious that is why you created the thread genius tbf - Boards is prob a fairly untapped target market for this kind of thing. Well done.

Mango Joe

YellowLead wrote: »

It’s obvious that is why you created the thread genius tbf - Boards is prob a fairly untapped target market for this kind of thing. Well done.

In fairness Boards.ie is almost exclusively Internet **** !!!!

YellowLead

Mango Joe wrote: »

In fairness Boards.ie is almost exclusively Internet **** !!!!

Ah I’d say a lot wouldn’t be on Snapchat for example.

Jequ0n

YellowLead wrote: »

It’s obvious that is why you created the thread genius tbf - Boards is prob a fairly untapped target market for this kind of thing. Well done.

Must be going really well then the side business of hunting is required

YellowLead

Jequ0n wrote: »

Must be going really well then the side business of hunting is required

Well given she only spends an hour a day at it I suppose it leaves time for all of this, and for all of the cryptocurrency investments which she is apparently winning in too, and don’t forget the nursing. Amazing!

Health11

YellowLead wrote: »

Well given she only spends an hour a day at it I suppose it leaves time for all of this, and for all of the cryptocurrency investments which she is apparently winning in too, and don’t forget the nursing. Amazing!

What is with the bizarre attitude? I didn't say I had any major winnings with Bitcoin?
And how much time do you think posting on Boards takes?
Really weirded out by the aggression here. I don't know if it's jealousy or something but it's not fair.

ebbsy

Could I have a free sample, for research purposes ?

floorpie

Like I showed above, some people in Ireland are definitely earning what OP describes. Maybe 10-20 in terms of just subscribers, maybe 50-100 when you factor in tips/requests/SC/avoiding OF commission. So on that basis I think advice should be given for the original question.

My advice is even more "don't quit" than before. Way too much competition in the top tier. Your assumption of increased revenue is predicated on competition staying the same which it obviously will not (it'll increase until it's banned). On the other side, I imagine that the userbase will not increase significantly and that the letch market is largely tapped. Furthermore, traffic to porn and OF increased massively when Covid restrictions were instated and it's trending down since. I imagine it'll decrease significantly as restrictions are removed.

So it'll be exponentially more difficult to increase income beyond a certain point, and you may be close to that point now. I wouldn't give up a job for a hypothetical income when you now have the job + that income/3. If you're genuinely putting 100s of K into Bitcoin then you'll likely have 10's of millions worth within 5 years, so you don't really need more money long term. Best way to mitigate risks here is to keep your job.

Health11

floorpie wrote: »

Like I showed above, some people in Ireland are definitely earning what OP describes. Maybe 10-20 in terms of just subscribers, maybe 50-100 when you factor in tips/requests/SC/avoiding OF commission. So on that basis I think advice should be given for the original question.

My advice is even more "don't quit" than before. Way too much competition in the top tier. Your assumption of increased revenue is predicated on competition staying the same which it obviously will not (it'll increase until it's banned). On the other side, I imagine that the userbase will not increase significantly and that the letch market is largely tapped. Furthermore, traffic to porn and OF increased massively when Covid restrictions were instated and it's trending down since. I imagine it'll decrease significantly as restrictions are removed.

So it'll be exponentially more difficult to increase income beyond a certain point, and you may be close to that point now. I wouldn't give up a job for a hypothetical income when you now have the job + that income/3. If you're genuinely putting 100s of K into Bitcoin then you'll likely have 10's of millions worth within 5 years, so you don't really need more money. Best way to mitigate risk here is to keep your job.

I may not agree with most of your posts on this thread but I appreciate the advice. Also, its good to see you're so confident in Bitcoin!

floorpie

Health11 wrote: »

I may not agree with most of your posts on this thread but I appreciate the advice. Also, its good to see you're so confident in Bitcoin!

Well I am long term but it'll also crash 90% before the next bull run, which is another risk you're mitigated by keeping your job.

YellowLead

Health11 wrote: »

What is with the bizarre attitude? I didn't say I had any major winnings with Bitcoin?
And how much time do you think posting on Boards takes?
Really weirded out by the aggression here. I don't know if it's jealousy or something but it's not fair.

You that you have been investing and hope to make an income which will sustain you if OF goes bust.
There’s no aggression it’s just funny. I’m addressing the gullible eejits here not you. I think you are very clever with all your PM drumming up of business.
You mentioned earlier - based on all the PMs you have received from this thread - that you will be making 30k a month in no time. So 18k a month additional...hmmm are there enough people following this thread for that lol

Health11

YellowLead wrote: »

You that you have been investing and hope to make an income which will sustain you if OF goes bust.
There’s no aggression it’s just funny. I’m addressing the gullible eejits here not you. I think you are very clever with all your PM drumming up of business.
You mentioned earlier - based on all the PMs you have received from this thread - that you will be making 30k a month in no time. So 18k a month additional...hmmm are there enough people following this thread for that lol

That was clearly said in jest.

YellowLead

floorpie wrote: »

Like I showed above, some people in Ireland are definitely earning what OP describes. Maybe 10-20 in terms of just subscribers, maybe 50-100 when you factor in tips/requests/SC/avoiding OF commission. So on that basis I think advice should be given for the original question.

None of the few who are are only putting in one hour per day. That is what makes no sense.

Health11

YellowLead wrote: »

None of the few who are are only putting in one hour per day. That is what makes no sense.

How do you know?

YellowLead

Health11 wrote: »

How do you know?

You are correct I can’t possible know for all. But the top Irish ones have all come out and explained it’s a 24/7 job? It doesn’t make sense you could only spend an hour to sustain those kind of numbers.

I have no doubt there may be some who spend only an hour....but then spend more than an hour outside of it performing ‘other’ services they are selling....

What percentage of your hour is messaging and what percentage is making the pictures/videos?

bucketybuck

fvp4 wrote: »

And she wouldn’t be here asking about leaving her job unless she was successful.

Health11

YellowLead wrote: »

You are correct I can’t possible know for all. But the top Irish ones have all come out and explained it’s a 24/7 job? It doesn’t make sense you could only spend an hour to sustain those kind of numbers.

I have no doubt there may be some who spend only an hour....but then spend more than an hour outside of it performing ‘other’ services they are selling....

What percentage of your hour is messaging and what percentage is making the pictures/videos?

I can make a multitude of content one day and then disseminate it throughout the week. You haven't a clue what it takes, so why comment?

FrankieB29

Health11 wrote: »

I can make a multitude of content one day and then disseminate it throughout the week. You haven't a clue what it takes, so why comment?

Still no proof all the people who message you asking for a link just proves everyone's point thats this is bull**** so put it to bed mods?

Health11

FrankieB29 wrote: »

Still no proof all the people who message you asking for a link just proves everyone's point thats this is bull**** so put it to bed mods?

Put it to bed mods? That's sad. It amuses me that some posters seem to have a compulsion to post in threads they clearly don't believe.

Edit: Do you ask everyone who lists what they earn in 'Work & Jobs' to post their payslip? or is it just young girls who earn some money?

FrankieB29

Health11 wrote: »

Put it to bed mods? That's sad. It amuses me that some posters seem to have a compulsion to post in threads they clearly don't believe.

Edit: Do you ask everyone who lists what they earn in 'Work & Jobs' to post their payslip? or is it just young girls who earn some money?

You are just going in circles makes no sense why you didnt send any link to the ones you asked for it, they said you asked them for snapchat or email as OF take 20% .
So why do you keep posting looking for advice when you have got answers already . Sad is making a OF selling yourself are you going on love island next ? .

Never once asked what you earned so you are just making **** up now go back and find where I asked you how much you euro. You made this thread and told everyone what your salary is as a nurse and how much you are getting from OF

Dont no what your trying to say when you say young girls.your a adult in a full time job as a nurse in our health care system and you made a OF so you are not a young girl . You are just looking for attention

Health11

FrankieB29 wrote: »

Sad is making a OF selling yourself are you going on love island next ? .

What is sad about that?

Oranage2

Take a career break ie quit your job, move to a tax free country. Do not this for a few years. Save a few million. Get a nursing job somewhere else and live in a villa near the sea.

Happy days

BorneTobyWilde

Some OF profiles take off. you could be one of the ones going that, which makes you Fresh, Interesting, Attractive, Sensual, Desirable.

Sleeper12

FrankieB29 wrote:

You are just going in circles makes no sense why you didnt send any link to the ones you asked for it, they said you asked them for snapchat or email as OF take 20% . So why do you keep posting looking for advice when you have got answers already . Sad is making a OF selling yourself are you going on love island next ? .

If she is, as you claim, using this thread to generate business then I suggest that you must be in partnership with her. You keep giving the thread oxygen. If you really believe that she is using the thread & it really bothers you then why not stop posting. You are keeping the thread going far longer than it would have otherwise.

Health11

Sleeper12 wrote: »

If she is, as you claim, using this thread to generate business then I suggest that you must be in partnership with her. You keep giving the thread oxygen. If you really believe that she is using the thread & it really bothers you then why not stop posting. You are keeping the thread going far longer than it would have otherwise.

Those were my thoughts too!:pac:

PowerToWait

Health11 wrote: »

is it just young girls who earn some money?

This is dodgy, one way or another.

Mimon

YellowLead wrote: »

I think it’s more he enjoys pointing out reality to the not so bright

Nah:), forensically examining what might be a troll thread in order to expose it is getting trolled.

Even if it proves to be a troll thread it is pretty sad the effort put in to gain some virtual moral high ground.