All Ireland Senior Hurling Championship (Liam McCarthy Cup) 2021

breezy1985

shockframe wrote: »

Its a bit of a pattern that has happened a lot in the last decade or so.

A team outside the top 8 has a progressive season and then theres a bit of hype but seems to fall back to square one within 18 months. Kerry, Laois, Westmeath, Carlow, Antrim.

Its kind of the hurling version of bringing in Sam Allerdice to save you from relegation in the soccer. Teams are given a goal and a bit of motivation but it's unsustainable because onve you hit the target of staying up the next target is a huge leap and you have burned the arse out of your players to do it

spaceCreated

letsseehere14 wrote: »

Waterford – Flashes of brilliance this year mixed with poor displays against Cork, Westmeath and 50 minutes against Galway. Also were in trouble against Limerick until the red card. Got a nice run to an AI final last year too avoiding Tipp, Galway and Limerick until the final. Kilkenny can feel they left that semi final behind them from such a commanding position at half time.

Yeah, we were actually terrible, we basically only got to the final last year thanks to pure luck. We definitely werent trying out new things in the league either and slowly brining players back to fitness. No team should be worried about Waterford and should focus on the match afterwards as you will only have to show up on the pitch on the day to win. All our good players are basically at deaths door so you dont need to worry about them and we can only offer poor displays. We definitely dont offer a goal threat and dont need to be closed down, all defenders should look at any Waterford match as a training match at best. The best thing every tream can do against Waterford is reserve their energy for later in the Championship.

shockframe

Rosita wrote: »

Dublin are not even related to Laois/Antrim. They have been inconsistent but last year they were beaten by only a point by Kilkenny (3-20 to 2-22) in the Leinster semi-final. They previous year they drew with Wexford, beat Galway and qualified from their province. That is unimaginable for those other teams. If they're off the top 7/8 they are small margins.

They are able to give teams a game that is true but they are still about 7th/8th in the current rankings for me.


2019 would be a good example of their frustrating form. Beat Galway but fell flat on their face the next day out v Laois.

dastardly00

I'm really not sure who is going to win this. I can see it being a high scoring game anyway

External Association

Laois county board handling of Eddie Brennan affair was a farce and has set the county backwards. We lost to Clare by a point in the 2020 qualifiers.

Also our hurling resources are scant and football is given priority.

There's nothing wrong with hurling people trying to bring more counties to a higher level. Offaly, Westmeath, Laois, Carlow etc. In 2006 Dublin lost to Westmeath. In 7 years they won a Leinster.

Laois is a proud hurling county going back to All Ireland final appearances in 1914, 1915 and 1949. Winning in 1915. In the 80s it was either Offaly or Laois who were to make a breakthrough. There was nothing between them. A Johnny Flaherty side net 'goal' beat us in 1981 in Offaly's breakthrough year of 1981. The likes of Waterford, Clare and Limerick (we all don't have a JP McManus) were at our level in the 1979-95 period. A breakthrough can change everything.

In the 1990s beaten by a last minute Denis Byrne goal in 1995 v Kilkenny. Beaten by KK by 3 points in 1998. From 1991-1993 Wexford would beat us by a few points. Players who'd win an AI in 1996.

Minor football success, 1995-2005, led to a further erosion of our hurling area as football was played more.

In hurling if you're off the pace it's easy to get beat by 20 points.

For a small county of 80,000 population at the last census, only 60,000 or so pre Dubs commuting arriving in the last 15 years or so, we've generally performed above ourselves. A dual county who could reach both Leinster finals in 1985.

washman3

spaceCreated wrote: »

Yeah, we were actually terrible, we basically only got to the final last year thanks to pure luck. We definitely werent trying out new things in the league either and slowly brining players back to fitness. No team should be worried about Waterford and should focus on the match afterwards as you will only have to show up on the pitch on the day to win. All our good players are basically at deaths door so you dont need to worry about them and we can only offer poor displays. We definitely dont offer a goal threat and dont need to be closed down, all defenders should look at any Waterford match as a training match at best. The best thing every tream can do against Waterford is reserve their energy for later in the Championship.

Fairly childish post.
Go away out in the fresh air for yourself.
It's a lovely day.

washman3

dastardly00 wrote: »

I'm really not sure who is going to win this. I can see it being a high scoring game anyway

Clare are excellent so far.
But what exactly are Waterford at.?
Look very indecisive.

PTH2009

Great point there by Aussie but Clare are flying and we need to tap away and get a few scores to get back into the game

Pogue eile

Clare are throwing thisw away, should be 10 points up.

spaceCreated

washman3 wrote: »

Fairly childish post.
Go away out in the fresh air for yourself.
It's a lovely day.

Bit of a joke, relax :rolleyes:

PTH2009

Off topic but why is Michael Duignan here when Offaly are playing in the Championship ? taking the RTE pay id say

LuckyGent88

Dominating but poor wides and poor use of ball also. Good aggression and work rate though from Clare at least

Rasputin11

PTH2009 wrote: »

Off topic but why is Michael Duignan here when Offaly are playing in the Championship ? taking the RTE pay id say

I think it's his living, don't think he has a regular job.

TheMilkyPirate

Rosita wrote: »

I'm on about the same thing as you. Just have a different interpretation. Provocative isn't it?

So they didn't play well then is what your saying? 5-28 from play 13 different scorers.. go have a lie down for yourself.

Akrasia

I hope we won't regret these wides later

Mantis Toboggan

Clare should be much further ahead with a biggish wind advantage.

PTH2009

Darragh Lyons having a nightmare

Great impact sub but not starter

PTH2009

Goalkeeper a joke there, didn't even make an effort to save it

IanVW

PTH2009 wrote: »

Goalkeeper a joke there, didn't even make an effort to save it

Unsavable

Pogue eile

Jaysus if Shanagher had of turned up Clare would be out of sight, if he continues to get supply he will surely get going

formerlyET

Big wind in it?

BENDYBINN

Poor game...hard to watch..q

tranquilo

If Clare's finishing was better they would be +15 up here. Waterford need to wake up

Pogue eile

formerlyET wrote: »

Big wind in it?

There is a decent breeze, but to be honest it is having no effect on the game, Waterford are miles off it and Clare have been wastefull.

killbillvol2

PTH2009 wrote: »

Goalkeeper a joke there, didn't even make an effort to save it

Tell us, what would you have done?

formerlyET

Whatever happens in this game, all credit to Brian Lohan. He has uncovered some young gems who are really playing for him.

Poor Shanagher is not a natural forward - but he is a handful.

formerlyET

Pogue eile wrote: »

There is a decent breeze, but to be honest it is having no effect on the game, Waterford are miles off it and Clare have been wastefull.

I think there's a swirl to it. A lot of shots tailing away.

PTH2009

Fair play to Clare but Waterford are a disaster today and it would take a miracle to get back into this game

Suppose we will have time to rebuild for the Qualifier's and hope we get a kind draw

Boom__Boom

Rasputin11 wrote: »

I think it's his living, don't think he has a regular job.

Should definitely be doing better at his job.
He was saying that he didn't think it was a clear-cut goal chance for the penalty/sin bin.

The wording of the rule is "a goal-scoring chance" - there's no mention of it having to be clear cut and I'd argue that they can be a serious difference between a clear-cut goal chance and a goal chance.

For me a clear-cut goal chance is something that has over 75%/80% of being scored, whereas a goal chance is any time there is any chance of a goal being scored no matter how remote a chance (even 1%) is still a goal chance. The way the rule is written refs are supposed to give a penalty no matter how remote the chance - if the rules committee wanted it to be only when there was a clear-cut goal chance, then they should have written the rule to reflect that.

I've seen other pundits/commentators mention this "clear-cut" interpretation of the rule as well but someone in his position should know better.

munsterlegend

Last years championship was winter hurling. The difference being back in summer hurling is showing.