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Jellybaby_1

Deleted User wrote: »

Jellybaby that's not acceptable at all - especially when you read about all the people in their 50s getting appts.
I'd continue to phone the GP and HSE several times a day and let them know that you'll be continuing to phone until they're vaccinated.

According to my family, that doesn't work. The people you finally get to talk to have no power to do anything. Maybe a call to Joe might be the only answer for them!

[Deleted User]

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Regarding presently available covid vaccines the facts remain that the very vaccinations that millions have already been given have since been discontinued in several countries, including Norway and Denmark, and the EU will discontinue the purchase of them from June. These changes have taken place in a short time. Other changes may also take place, as yet unforeseen. This cannot be denied.

Point out a vaccine where long term adverse effects were not apparent soon after mass vaccinations began

expectationlost

is it really 16 weeks betw the 2 AZ shots? 4 months!

is it still necessary to have it that spread out? supply wise?

paw patrol

isha wrote: »

Hahahha Are you my husband secretly on boards? He always says to me about my very many contrary opinions (many of which have, in the long run, proven to be correct!!) on a multitude of things in life - why do you bother, never mind the gobshytes, do your own thing
Which to be frank is what I have always done - my own thing, I mean.
Just thought it was worth posting some additional or alternative info from a reliable source for people to check in on other possible view points. As you say though, it rarely is worth it.

I don't think I'm your husband:). my wife doesn't do the internet unless secretly:)

Tbh I tried initially with my views and thoughts when I was muddling through trying to make sense of the initial stages but people are entrenched and rarely want to listen it's a lot of point scoring and a "gotcha my expert is better than yours" type thing. It can be tiresome unless you are killing time.

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Imagine being desperate for a vaccine against a disease that could kill you. Imagine.

flu kills. people aren't too desperate for that vaccine. why is that? the hype. Covid has great PR. I can't deny that.

Sure covid can kill but people die from all manner of things but unless you are sick or really old (and then it's really the sick & old combo) you aren't at much risk of dying. As pointed out my granny got it in jan at 101 and was fine.

384 people (as per CSO 30th april) under 65 have died in ireland "with covid" since it began. out of 5 million. Every death is sad on an individual level but I can't get into a flap over those numbers. If I did, I'd never leave the house.

plodder wrote: »

"stick it in me, whatever it is" - so long as "it" is an EMA approved vaccine. Bit of a difference there.

an EMA approved vaccine - you mean the "conditional marketing authorisation granted " vaccines.

definitely hasn't skipped a few steps in testing and authorisation. In no way has their been any "fast tracking" oh...


like this

in the interest of public health, applicants may be granted a conditional marketing authorisation for such medicines on less comprehensive clinical data than normally required, where the benefit of immediate availability of the medicine outweighs the risk inherent in the fact that additional data are still required.

"less comprehensive clinical data than normally required" defo no issues there boss.

or this

During the COVID-19 pandemic, the conditional marketing authorisation procedure is being used to expedite the approval of safe and effective COVID-19 treatments and vaccines in the EU.

This is in line with EU legislation which foresees that conditional marketing authorisation is used as the fast-track authorisation during public health emergencies to speed up approval and save lives.

https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/human-regulatory/marketing-authorisation/conditional-marketing-authorisation

stick it in me boss.
fcukin hell jab me twice just to be sure:pac:

conditional vaccine or almost no chance dying unless if you aren't sick/old.
I'll chance my immune system all the same.

But in case you all take me up wrong, I'm a massive believer in personal freedom esp for your own body. So do what you will to yourself - I'm just here to chew the fat and read others opinions.

podgeandrodge

Marine Layer wrote: »

Greystones appointments tomorrow have got a text changing their vaccine from pfizer to Astrazenica

Has that happened before?

Never read that on here anyway. I'd be saying NO on principle!

jellybear

Jellybaby_1 wrote: »

According to my family, that doesn't work. The people you finally get to talk to have no power to do anything. Maybe a call to Joe might be the only answer for them!

So sorry to hear your parents are still waiting.
You need to get on to politicians ASAP. As mentioned above, there was an issue in Meath where a large number of over 60s were waiting over 3 weeks from registration. It finally got resolved over the weekend but only after 2 TDs and a councillor got involved. You need to hound them. They're elected by the public so they need to help you. It's the only thing that worked for the people of Meath who had similar issues to your parents.
Also, contact all local GPs. Tell them the situation and ask to be put on any waiting list they may have incase of no shows, cancellations, additional vials they may receive etc. Let them know your parents are available at short notice, if they are. Exhaust all avenues. It's awful to have to do any of this but the HSE helpline clearly isn't getting you anywhere.
Hoping they hear something soon.

ACitizenErased

Few other people who are asthmatic that I know with various different GPs have now been called for the vaccine next week. Looks like they're starting to work through group 7.

ShineOn7

Russman wrote: »

Like I say, I'll take whatever, but when you see countries like Australia and the Nordics etc deciding not to use or severely limit the use of J&J/AZ, its very odd to me that NIAC would loosen our restrictions at the same time.

It very much feels like NIAC had their arm twisted by the government re: Janssen

Just like the government twisted NPHET's at Christmas

/awaits mental gymnastics from the usual government defenders on here. One in particular is becoming parody like

plodder

paw patrol wrote: »

flu kills. people aren't too desperate for that vaccine. why is that? the hype. Covid has great PR. I can't deny that.

Flu isn't a novel virus causing a pandemic

Sure covid can kill but people die from all manner of things but unless you are sick or really old (and then it's really the sick & old combo) you aren't at much risk of dying. As pointed out my granny got it in jan at 101 and was fine.

I caught it and I was fine like your granny, but I'm prepared to do my bit to protect myself and others for the future.

384 people (as per CSO 30th april) under 65 have died in ireland "with covid" since it began. out of 5 million. Every death is sad on an individual level but I can't get into a flap over those numbers. If I did, I'd never leave the house.

Not sure where those figures come from, but how many do you think would have died without the measures we took, like the lockdown?

an EMA approved vaccine - you mean the "conditional marketing authorisation granted " vaccines.

That's it exactly. Approved vaccines. Not just any old crap as you seemed to imply.

definitely hasn't skipped a few steps in testing and authorisation. In no way has their been any "fast tracking" oh...

like this

"less comprehensive clinical data than normally required" defo no issues there boss.

or this


https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/human-regulatory/marketing-authorisation/conditional-marketing-authorisation

stick it in me boss.
fcukin hell jab me twice just to be sure:pac:

conditional vaccine or almost no chance dying unless if you aren't sick/old.
I'll chance my immune system all the same.

But in case you all take me up wrong, I'm a massive believer in personal freedom esp for your own body. So do what you will to yourself - I'm just here to chew the fat and read others opinions.

We're in a pandemic. They figured the risks were worth taking. And it turns out they were right.

ShineOn7

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Few other people who are asthmatic that I know with various different GPs have now been called for the vaccine next week. Looks like they're starting to work through group 7.

Great stuff

I wonder how much of that is referrals to the online portal and how many are now doing them in their Practice

iamwhoiam

ShineOn7 wrote: »

Great stuff

I wonder how much of that is referrals to the online portal and how many are now doing them in their Practice

Some are being done in MVC’s referred by consultants .

OwlsZat

ShineOn7 wrote: »

It very much feels like NIAC had their arm twisted by the government re: Janssen

Just like the government twisted NPHET's at Christmas

/awaits mental gymnastics from the usual government defenders on here. One in particular is becoming parody like

I'm 34. Would love JJ and be done with it!

Beasty

expectationlost wrote: »

is it really 16 weeks betw the 2 AZ shots? 4 months!

is it still necessary to have it that spread out? supply wise?

Never anything to do with supplies. 12 weeks is specified by AZ. Ireland is leaving a gap of between 12 and 16 weeks. 16 was originally touted because of the concerns over the vaccine (although it's been pretty clear all along you are statistically much better off having this vaccine than not having any). Apparently whether you are at one end of the range or the other is largely down to age

gozunda

JRant wrote: »

50 million doses in a little over a month. Considering how unreliable they have been to date, I'd say that's pie in the sky stuff. Starting to look like J&J will be about as much use as Moderna here, which is to say, not a lot.

How do you mean?

duffman13

gozunda wrote: »

How do you mean?

I'd imagine its a reference to complete lack of delivery so far from Moderna. 100k roughly administered so far

AMKC

I am slightly confused. What exactly is it they are saying for the over 40s. Is it that we will only get a choice of vaccine if there is no Pfizer or Moderna availible or that we will get a choice and if you do not want the J J aka Jenson vaccine or Astra Zenics then you can wait for one of the other two. I know which I would choose and what I hope it is is that we do get a choice.

Goldengirl

Deleted User wrote: »

It’s not ignored. It’s examined thoroughly and if something is off it’s reported. It is so thorough that within weeks of the AZ vaccine program starting the CVST issue was detected even though its a 1 in 100,000 event.

What you are continually and convenient ignoring is that everything post vaccine is reportable through the system. Sore arm, headache, unrelated migraine, hayfever, allergic reaction due to other medications, and yes every death that cannot be immediately ruled out as not been vaccine related which is most. The raw data is what you referenced with all in. The continued daily grind of weeding out the minor acceptable sore arms and mild temperatures is ongoing in regulatory bodies daily, looking for the rare events that may be concerning and then comparing to the rates of those same conditions in general.

One example is occurrence of myocarditis in people who have received the Pfizer vaccine. Yes there have been many cases, probably triggered by the immune response to the vaccine, but at numbers you would expect in the background and a far lower levels that those seen in people who get Covid.

Yes raind , Covid does cause myocarditis in some people , pac:

astrofool

Jellybaby_1 wrote: »

According to my family, that doesn't work. The people you finally get to talk to have no power to do anything. Maybe a call to Joe might be the only answer for them!

Are you able to phone on their behalf? Usually I'd err on the side of letting the health professionals get on with it, but for this age not to have been vaccinated yet despite being registered implies a break in the system somewhere.

If possible, I'd try other avenues, the GP and local hospital if you're having no luck on 1850241850.

On the phone I'd be understanding, be prepared to repeat the same information and have PPS numbers to hand, but insist that something has gone wrong and that it needs to be fixed and you need to talk to the person who can fix it.

Goldengirl

Jellybaby_1 wrote: »

I'm just curious to know if my relatives are the only ones still waiting after a month registered to get their first appointment for vaccine. My family members are 68/69 with health issues and have not been called yet. They have called HSE about it and told a pack of lies, i.e. "you'll get an appointment within three days". Hasn't happened! Are you or someone you know still waiting? Everyone else we know in their 60's has had their first vaccine and now they're giving appointments to the 50's, one we know has no health issues! My relatives have been isolating since the first lockdown and are pretty stressed now and feeling this just can't be right.

P.S. I was advised by a Mod to post this in the Vaccine Megathread. In reply to Astrofool who responded to my original post, my relatives registered by phone, they are mobile and able to travel to a vaccination centre.

If they have underlying conditions they should have been done by their GP in group 7 at the very least?
Where are they based?

JRant

gozunda wrote: »

How do you mean?

Completely insignificant and unreliable supplies delivered to date.

expectationlost

Beasty wrote: »

Never anything to do with supplies. 12 weeks is specified by AZ. Ireland is leaving a gap of between 12 and 16 weeks. 16 was originally touted because of the concerns over the vaccine (although it's been pretty clear all along you are statistically much better off having this vaccine than not having any). Apparently whether you are at one end of the range or the other is largely down to age

so can we ask to get it a 12 weeks then!

SusanC10

AMKC wrote: »

I am slightly confused. What exactly is it they are saying for the over 40s. Is it that we will only get a choice of vaccine if there is no Pfizer or Moderna availible or that we will get a choice and if you do not want the J J aka Jenson vaccine or Astra Zenics then you can wait for one of the other two. I know which I would choose and what I hope it is is that we do get a choice.

The way I read it on RTE earlier was that J&J or AZ would only be permitted to be used on Ages 40-49 if neither Pfizer nor Moderna were available at the time of vaccination. Then the person would get a choice - take J&J or AZ or wait until Pfizer or Moderna became available.

Hopefully things will become clearer this week.

duffman13

expectationlost wrote: »

so can we ask to get it a 12 weeks then!

No some front line health care staff asked on Twitter and the answer was no. I'll try find it now

astrofool

Russman wrote: »

I think it'll be interesting to see what terms/conditions attach. As someone mentioned earlier, the consent has always been a thing so its hard to know what the "new" item might be. Following on, it will be even more interesting to see how they would deal with those who don't opt in (if its an opt in model), which no doubt there will be some.

I'll absolutely take whatever I'm offered, but its hard not to have the feeling that the slightly less safe vaccines are being farmed off onto the group slightly more vulnerable to the risks, purely in the interests of logistics and the political fear of telling the 50s to wait a couple of weeks. Like I say, I'll take whatever, but when you see countries like Australia and the Nordics etc deciding not to use or severely limit the use of J&J/AZ, its very odd to me that NIAC would loosen our restrictions at the same time.

I would be interested to know if there is new data being sent to NIAC that is causing the constant changes, or if it's watching what other countries are doing and copying them. It seems to be a bit all over the place, and there is nothing stopping them releasing the data and reasoning within that data of the decisions they're making.

expectationlost

duffman13 wrote: »

No some front line health care staff asked on Twitter and the answer was no. I'll try find it now

some front line staff who were told they would be getting their 2nd shot in 12 weeks when they got their first are now getting it at 16 weeks! which is worse

duffman13

expectationlost wrote: »

some front line staff who were told they would be getting their 2nd shot in 12 weeks when they got their first are now getting it at 16 weeks! which is worse

I know, I'm in that group. I honestly don't mind but they said it was to wait to see how it pans out. If they are planning on giving it after 16 weeks then just give it after 12 tbh.

Goldengirl

expectationlost wrote: »

so can we ask to get it a 12 weeks then!

Only if you are considered highrisk apparently .
Hcws getting stretched to 16 weeks ...not high risk enough!

duffman13

I'd heard from one of my part timers in work, she'd been invited to be a vaccinator despite only being a first year student. I didnt believe her until she sent me the link

https://hbsrecruitmentservices.ie/registerinterest/

Recieved to her college email address. Can't be right, if pharmacists wanted to vaccinate they had to be experienced vaccinators but now students can vaccinate? I'd heard there was issues re recruitment but didn't realise they were going into the colleges

Edit: just realised it's a register your interest portal so she maybe got ahead of herself

Goldengirl

duffman13 wrote: »

I'd heard from one of my part timers in work, she'd been invited to be a vaccinator despite only being a first year student. I didnt believe her until she sent me the link

https://hbsrecruitmentservices.ie/registerinterest/

Recieved to her college email address. Can't be right, if pharmacists wanted to vaccinate they had to be experienced vaccinators but now students can vaccinate? I'd heard there was issues re recruitment but didn't realise they were going into the colleges

They are probably the ones with their Leaving Certs to hand

Russman

astrofool wrote: »

I would be interested to know if there is new data being sent to NIAC that is causing the constant changes, or if it's watching what other countries are doing and copying them. It seems to be a bit all over the place, and there is nothing stopping them releasing the data and reasoning within that data of the decisions they're making.

If the reports are true and the guidance will be that the 40s are only offered J&J or AZ if the mRNA vaccines are unavailable, and that the person can then refuse and wait for an mRNA jab, purely IMO it sounds to me like NIAC are/were very reluctant to approve them for under 50.
I don’t know how they explain that without throwing the HSE under the bus.