Belfast Disturbances

Hurrache

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Don't buy the finger slip story, sorry.

Don't think anyone takes too much notice of what you buy or don't buy. All that matters to you is how it reflects on SF and you adopt a stance from there.

piplip87

I'd wonder how much of this is down to the UDA bee out if pocket due to increased custom checks on shipments from Britain. It must be costing them a fortune.

Hurrache

Hurrache wrote: »

FFS Brady, it was accidentally clicked when scrolling through the feed. I've liked some ****e myself when doing so, even in this site. Untangle the knickers.

Yis'll all have to be verging on living in fantasy if you think that he liked it intentionally to begin with, and have a screw lose to claim it was unliked because of feedback.

You say it as if it's a matter of fact. Big error to be fair from an astute politician.

The optics of it are terrible.

FrancieBrady

Eve Spicy Desk wrote: »

You say it as if it's a matter of fact. Big error to be fair from an astute politician.

The optics of it are terrible.

They'll be telling us next inviting the DUP to their yearly conference was a case of mistaken identity next.
You scroll past a post of Arlene's read it and accidentally like it ...yeh right.

Godot.

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Frost is over in Brussels copperfastening the Protocol. If it goes the UK are back to the deadlock over the whole deal.
Not gonna happen with a few petrol bombs.

The British have turned more and more gradually towards flag waving and nationalism ever since the Global Finance Crisis started to bite and the never ending austerity since.

He could thrash the economy with a No Deal Brexit and his support would lap it up for 'sticking it to Brussels' and 'defending British sovereignty'.

Larbre34

Neale is a proud Protestant and always had an affinity with Ireland and the First World War stuff because of family history and stuff.

But frankly thats all fluff that none of us have time to indulge in anymore. As far as I'm concerned, if you're an elected representative in this Republic, then your one and only concern is the wellbeing and prosperity of this Republic, including the aspiration to unify the whole island under this Republic.

Neale has represented the Country well in his forthright defence of our stance and approach to Brexit, but as regards this matter at hand, he'd want to get his head on straight.

batman75

Foster was well out of order using a volatile situation to have a pop at SF. This is precisely why she is not fit to be head of the assembly. She is a Protestant leader for her Protestant brethren. It is people from her side of the fence causing the riots. I hate Foster with a passion. The only union she should be worried about is within the 6 counties between Catholics and Protestants.

SharpshooterTom

https://twitter.com/BorisJohnson_MP/status/1379704292588859392

J Mysterio

https://twitter.com/EoinCa/status/1379891440344563719?s=20

Zebra3

Scuid Mhór wrote: »

Hopefully not. The Troubles were well before my time but it's fair to say the vast, vast majority of people inhabiting this country have no interest in it repeating.

Any idea as to how this may escalate?

By getting worse?

McMurphy

Hurrache wrote: »

FFS Brady, it was accidentally clicked when scrolling through the feed. I've liked some ****e myself when doing so, even in this site. Untangle the knickers.

Yis'll all have to be verging on living in fantasy if you think that he liked it intentionally to begin with, and have a screw lose to claim it was unliked because of feedback.

I'd say he "accidentally" found himself at those orange parades, where the lads marching past him had Cromwell banners etc. I don't care if Neale is Protestant, Catholic, Hindu or Jew btw, but the optics of what he "accidentally liked" all things considered..... aren't great.


Between "accidentally liking stuff" and bizarre photoshops, maybe twitter's not the best place for Neale.

He liked a photo of himself in which he was mentioned and a colleague attending a parade of another culture on this island which he made no secret of attending
Its not a photo of our nations flag being burned,I doubt you'll find any oireachtas member liking a photo of that
I do not see what the fuss is there

McMurphy

AuntySnow wrote: »

He liked a photo of himself in which he was mentioned and a colleague attending a parade of another culture on this island which he made no secret of attending
Its not a photo of our nations flag being burned,I doubt you'll find any oireachtas member liking a photo of that
I do not see what the fuss is there

He's quite entitled to attend "parades of other cultures" on this island, but when that culture is one of hate, division, sectarianism and triumphalism, he shouldn't be surprised when folk are sceptical that he "he accidentally" liked a tweet that came from the leader of a hateful, divisive, sectarian and triumphalist party, and was a hateful, and a divisive tweet.

Seems extremely coincidental that he accidentally scrolled past it and liked it, and didn't condemn it at that stage, the condemnation and the removal of his like came after the condemnation and criticism from people, many of whom decide to vote for him or his party in this jurisdiction.

downcow

Scuid Mhór wrote: »

Hopefully not. The Troubles were well before my time but it's fair to say the vast, vast majority of people inhabiting this country have no interest in it repeating.

Any idea as to how this may escalate?

It’s very fluid.
It could do anything from fizzle out in weeks to escalate into full blown violent armed conflict that won’t be turned off for years. If the later happens then I feel the south will definitely be pulled in to it as there is extreme anger up hear about how the threat of republican violence was used by Roi to achieve protocol.
I think it is unlikely to escalate as far as armed inter community conflict - but the problem is if someone gets killed eg last night there was interface violence and known ira and Uvf leaders were photographed on the streets (directing or calming - people will believe what they want).
A peace wall gate was breached and each side blames the other. If a young person gets caught on the wrong side and murdered then who knows where this goes.

I fear this weekend will be worse.
A number of protests are being organised. Young people are being invited to attend with faces covered (for covid reasons - a little sarcasm in the invites) with flutes etc. Story funeral has left this next to impossible for police to prevent - or else they are further demonstrating two-tier policing as they helped organise the republican illegal gathering.
Lisburn looks tricky tonight but Belfast looks downright dangerous the following night. There is a call for a parade from Donegal road into west Belfast. I guess the paraders want to be attacked, and they most surely will. In their heads it will be like a civil rights march being attacked.

So I have know idea where this will all be by July. Could have fizzled our or could be very nasty

Theres no way Richmond accidently liked the post
People like picture tweets they're tagged in almost by default all the time
People should really state they changed their mind or thought something wasn't a good idea after the fact
I dont think avoiding having to accept the culture of who we share the island with is a good idea if we want to unite the island

downcow

bilston wrote: »

The only thing I know for sure is that if you asked the "youths" rioting that they wouldn't have the faintest idea.

More likely drugs related than anything political to be honest. Unfortunately once it becomes sectarian then how or why it started is irrelevant to all involved.

Very patronising prejudice.
I heard young people interviewed who said they had been at one of the street ‘gatherings’ and they were amazingly articulate and concise. It’s wishful thinking to believe young people in ni are stupid and don’t understand what’s happening

There is a mixture like everywhere

malinheader

Arlene has alot to answer for this. She has undermined the police force in the North and encited the unionists in thinking that they are the oppressed communities on the island.
This is a very dangerous woman to be in power. She would rather see northern Ireland burning than it becoming more a part of the republic.
I thought we would never return to the way it used to be, but i am definitely not sure now.

downcow

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Their political leaders and people like Nolan have been telling them they are 'angry' for weeks. They are being angry.

Francie is sounding more like a unionist in 1970 every day

Fann Linn

downcow wrote: »

Very patronising prejudice.
I heard young people interviewed who said they had been at one of the street ‘gatherings’ and they were amazingly articulate and concise. It’s wishful thinking to believe young people in ni are stupid and don’t understand what’s happening

There is a mixture like everywhere

A voxpop from a Belfast Telegraph reporter actually backed up the previous assertion. 12 to 15 year olds on the ground when asked about the Brexit protocol or the other alleged reasons for the riots couldn't give coherent reasons for it, which led the reporter to an assumption that these kids are being directed by people from behind the scenes.

downcow

malinheader wrote: »

Arlene has alot to answer for this. She has undermined the police force in the North and encited the unionists in thinking that they are the oppressed communities on the island.
This is a very dangerous woman to be in power. She would rather see northern Ireland burning than it becoming more a part of the republic.
I thought we would never return to the way it used to be, but i am definitely not sure now.

Just rediculous to blame Arlene. I am far from an Arlene admirer. But to blame someone who was driven from her home as a child, then the ira tried to murder her father, then her school bus was bombed. She still remained moderate enough to support the gfa She is not the bigot that she get painted
I think blame mainly falls on those who used the threat of violence to put a border through the middle of our nation eg Leo, and of course the shinners for seemingly given permission to have illegal gatherings

Junkyard Tom

downcow wrote: »

the threat of republican violence was used by Roi to achieve protocol.

Here is the view of someone who considers himself a 'moderate' Unionist.

After all the shit the DUP have pulled for the last half-a-decade, ignoring all the warnings - 'It yous in the south's fault'.

downcow

Fann Linn wrote: »

A voxpop from a Belfast Telegraph reporter actually backed up the previous assertion. 12 to 15 year olds on the ground when asked about the Brexit protocol or the other alleged reasons for the riots couldn't give coherent reasons for it, which led the reporter to an assumption that these kids are being directed by people from behind the scenes.

I don’t expect 12 year olds to give coherent explanations of the protocol. I suppose the 12 year olds in inner city Dublin can give a coherent explanation of it?

downcow

downcow wrote: »

It’s very fluid.
It could do anything from fizzle out in weeks to escalate into full blown violent armed conflict that won’t be turned off for years. If the later happens then I feel the south will definitely be pulled in to it as there is extreme anger up hear about how the threat of republican violence was used by Roi to achieve protocol.
I think it is unlikely to escalate as far as armed inter community conflict - but the problem is if someone gets killed eg last night there was interface violence and known ira and Uvf leaders were photographed on the streets (directing or calming - people will believe what they want).
A peace wall gate was breached and each side blames the other. If a young person gets caught on the wrong side and murdered then who knows where this goes.

I fear this weekend will be worse.
A number of protests are being organised. Young people are being invited to attend with faces covered (for covid reasons - a little sarcasm in the invites) with flutes etc. Story funeral has left this next to impossible for police to prevent - or else they are further demonstrating two-tier policing as they helped organise the republican illegal gathering.
Lisburn looks tricky tonight but Belfast looks downright dangerous the following night. There is a call for a parade from Donegal road into west Belfast. I guess the paraders want to be attacked, and they most surely will. In their heads it will be like a civil rights march being attacked.

So I have know idea where this will all be by July. Could have fizzled our or could be very nasty

I should have also said that another huge unknown is whether unionism will unite or fragment over these issues.
I think it is finely balanced and could go either way but I believe the status quo won’t be maintained.
If I was asked to guess I would say unionism will probably unite

malinheader

downcow wrote: »

Just rediculous to blame Arlene. I am far from an Arlene admirer. But to blame someone who was driven from her home as a child, then the ira tried to murder her father, then her school bus was bombed. She still remained moderate enough to support the gfa She is not the bigot that she get painted
I think blame mainly falls on those who used the threat of violence to put a border through the middle of our nation eg Leo, and of course the shinners for seemingly given permission to have illegal gatherings

As I said and still stand by it. She would rather see northern Ireland destroyed than unionism lose any hold or power in the north. Very dangerous lady. As she stated in an interview only last week that if there ever becomes a United Ireland she will sell up home and leave. Not ridiculous at all.

Fann Linn

downcow wrote: »

I don’t expect 12 year olds to give coherent explanations of the protocol. I suppose the 12 year olds in inner city Dublin can give a coherent explanation of it?

You mentioned young people. The ones throwing the missiles were the ones being interviewed in the 12 to 15 age group. So we can both agree that they're nothing but gurriers being directed by others with ulterior motives.

downcow

malinheader wrote: »

As I said and still stand by it. She would rather see northern Ireland destroyed than unionism lose any hold or power in the north. Very dangerous lady. As she stated in an interview only last week that if there ever becomes a United Ireland she will sell up home and leave. Not ridiculous at all.

So you believe unionism have a hold on power in the north? Please tell us more?

So you hate her, but you would be annoyed if she sold up and left?

downcow

Fann Linn wrote: »

You mentioned young people. The ones throwing the missiles were the ones being interviewed in the 12 to 15 age group. So we can both agree that they're nothing but gurriers being directed by others with ulterior motives.

I had never heard that term, you must come from a different country lol.
But I did google it, and I absolutely would not apply that label to all those young people

Mimon

downcow wrote: »

Very patronising prejudice.
I heard young people interviewed who said they had been at one of the street ‘gatherings’ and they were amazingly articulate and concise. It’s wishful thinking to believe young people in ni are stupid and don’t understand what’s happening

There is a mixture like everywhere

If they were truly smart they would be at home and stay well away from it.

Drifter50

Tyrone212 wrote: »

He wants Ireland to join the commonwealth. He has more in common with the DUP than SF. His true colours liked the tweet.

Neale Richmond has made no secret of the fact he is a proud protestant and we all have to respect that. He has been the face of FG on European Affairs for a while now and has done a decent job of it. His relatives are in the Orange Order and so be it. A large number of southern protestants would have relatives in the Orange Order and thats a natural follow on.

Whats a big issue today is not a few teenagers throwing an odd petrol bomb at the PSNI. Last night was very sinister, a group of several hundred at the interface between nationalist and unionist communities at the peace gate between Springfield and the Shankhill Road. A car driven at speed, crashed into the gate and was set alight. Grim times ahead now

Fann Linn

downcow wrote: »

I had never heard that term, you must come from a different country lol.
But I did google it, and I absolutely would not apply that label to all those young people

Guessed myself it wasn't the word 'missile' you had to google, considering the country you're coming from. ðŸ˜ðŸ˜

steddyeddy

downcow wrote: »

It’s very fluid.
It could do anything from fizzle out in weeks to escalate into full blown violent armed conflict that won’t be turned off for years. If the later happens then I feel the south will definitely be pulled in to it as there is extreme anger up hear about how the threat of republican violence was used by Roi to achieve protocol.
I think it is unlikely to escalate as far as armed inter community conflict - but the problem is if someone gets killed eg last night there was interface violence and known ira and Uvf leaders were photographed on the streets (directing or calming - people will believe what they want).
A peace wall gate was breached and each side blames the other. If a young person gets caught on the wrong side and murdered then who knows where this goes.

I fear this weekend will be worse.
A number of protests are being organised. Young people are being invited to attend with faces covered (for covid reasons - a little sarcasm in the invites) with flutes etc. Story funeral has left this next to impossible for police to prevent - or else they are further demonstrating two-tier policing as they helped organise the republican illegal gathering.
Lisburn looks tricky tonight but Belfast looks downright dangerous the following night. There is a call for a parade from Donegal road into west Belfast. I guess the paraders want to be attacked, and they most surely will. In their heads it will be like a civil rights march being attacked.

So I have know idea where this will all be by July. Could have fizzled our or could be very nasty

The most surprising thing about all of this is that it's English nationalism to blame. English nationalism has placed a sea border between them and Britain and yet their leader is now attacking a party that opposed Brexit.

malinheader

downcow wrote: »

So you believe unionism have a hold on power in the north? Please tell us more?

So you hate her, but you would be annoyed if she sold up and left?

Go on stop and read what I'm posting.
So you're saying unionists and nationalists were always treated the same in the north.

And please show me where I said I would be sorry to see her leave.

Starting to think you might though.

downcow

steddyeddy wrote: »

The most surprising thing about all of this is that it's English nationalism to blame. English nationalism has placed a sea border between them and Britain and yet their leader is now attacking a party that opposed Brexit.

Nonsense. It was Irish republicanism placed the border in the middle of our nation

Fuascailteoir

downcow wrote: »

Nonsense. It was Irish republicanism placed the border in the middle of our nation

It was brexit

PokeHerKing

Drifter50 wrote: »

Neale Richmond has made no secret of the fact he is a proud protestant and we all have to respect that. He has been the face of FG on European Affairs for a while now and has done a decent job of it. His relatives are in the Orange Order and so be it. A large number of southern protestants would have relatives in the Orange Order and thats a natural follow on.

Whats a big issue today is not a few teenagers throwing an odd petrol bomb at the PSNI. Last night was very sinister, a group of several hundred at the interface between nationalist and unionist communities at the peace gate between Springfield and the Shankhill Road. A car driven at speed, crashed into the gate and was set alight. Grim times ahead now

The OO are equivalent to the KKK. Fcuk Richmond and any other protestant who thinks the OO is a part of their history that should be celebrated. This country is full of apologists.

McMurphy

downcow wrote: »

Nonsense. It was Irish republicanism placed the border in the middle of our nation

The scrotes causing the trouble as past week or so are protesting against a sea border they're responsible for implementing.

johnnyskeleton

downcow wrote: »

I should have also said that another huge unknown is whether unionism will unite or fragment over these issues.
I think it is finely balanced and could go either way but I believe the status quo won’t be maintained.
If I was asked to guess I would say unionism will probably unite

Well the DUPs support has been crumbling steadily between the TUV extremists egging on violence on one side and the moderate and sensible Alliance calling for rational heads on the other. I expect that these riots will only further draw support away from the DUP in both of these directions

Lucy8080

N.I. 100 yrs old...and Nationalist areas having fireworks and petrol bombs fired over a peacewall because the D.U.P. got into bed with the Tories and lost again!

It's not 1969 and Bombay street anymore. That Sh1t is over, there is an international agreement signed off by Dublin, London, Washington and Brussels. What exactly does Unionism/Loyalism imagine it is going to achieve when the world can see for itself "the scenes" over the last few days?

PokeHerKing

downcow wrote: »

Nonsense. It was Irish republicanism placed the border in the middle of our nation

It was your PM and elected officials that did that. But accepting that would be like realising your parents never reallly wanted you and your whole birth was just one big mistake.

twinytwo

downcow wrote: »

Nonsense. It was Irish republicanism placed the border in the middle of our nation

Really? That's who you blame? So Boris and the DUP had nothing to do with it at all?

Pedro K

downcow wrote: »

Nonsense. It was Irish republicanism placed the border in the middle of our nation

Irish republicanism did it ey? Irish republicanism voted for brexit? Laid down red lines that all but ensured no deal or a separate customs arrangement for NI? 'twas Irish republicanism that reneged on that deal and created the NI protocol after then, yes?

Give your head a wobble. This is a mess born entirely of English nationalism.

McMurphy

Two tweets.

Look at the contrast in support for them.

https://twitter.com/DUPleader/status/1379885970103877634?s=19





https://twitter.com/JoeBrolly1993/status/1379905875163410432?s=19




The DUP are clearly a small but vocal minority.

walshb

Foster and her ilk are an absolute disgrace. Inciting anarchy..

Talking about upholding the law impartially...

You couldn’t make it up..

Hateful bunch!

downcow

PokeHerKing wrote: »

The OO are equivalent to the KKK. Fcuk Richmond and any other protestant who thinks the OO is a part of their history that should be celebrated. This country is full of apologists.

Thanks for that eloquent contribution.
That is basically ‘fcuk all Protestants’. I don’t know a single Protestant who does not have family members connected to the OO.
This would be like someone saying ‘fcuk all Catholics who think the GAA is part of their culture’
Disgusting sectarianism!

downcow

twinytwo wrote: »

Really? That's who you blame? So Boris and the DUP had nothing to do with it at all?

Boris was dishonest. The dup sleptwalked into it.
I did not vote for brexit, but I am a democrat and my nation did.
It was the Irish protocol which has created the problem

olestoepoke

Peelers need to get out of their wagons and dish out a little rough justice on these thugs

Dyr

igCorcaigh wrote: »

Right.

What's your alternative?
Baton the other side into submission?

The first step would be to admit that using "both sides are as bad as each other" as an excuse not to address the problem is not acceptable.

You with me on that?

malinheader

olestoepoke wrote: »

Peelers need to get out of their wagons and dish out a little rough justice on these thugs

Not going to happen. Seen a crowd at the front of a land rover last night throwing a pallet.
Don't think another section of the community would get as close without being severely dealt with.

downcow

Bambi wrote: »

The first step would be to admit that using "both sides are as bad as each other" as an excuse not to address the problem is not acceptable.

You with me on that?

The psni were on radio Ulster just now. They say there were equal numbers on both sides of the peace wall and both groups were there from 5pm. Both groups rained petrol bombs etc on each other.

Seth Brundle

downcow wrote: »

Boris was dishonest. The dup sleptwalked into it.
I did not vote for brexit, but I am a democrat and my nation did.
It was the Irish protocol which has created the problem

The Northern Irish protocol was the only way that a Brexit could proceed. The DUP had scuppered any alternative. It was agreed with and ratified by Westminster. Ireland had little to do with it.
Brexit, how it started and proceeded is owned completely by the UK government and the DUP in NI. Nobody else created this. The DUP and the UK government were warned of their actions yet continued ahead without a care for anyone who disagreed.
The British government still haven't completed all they agreed to under the NIP and then you have the DUP blame the government of Ireland and whoever else they can think of except those responsible.
Please stop with your fake offence and disingenuous postings. It is utterly transparent.