Faith wrote: »
Being parentified as a child seems to send people quite firmly into either camp, as far as I can see. Either they grow up thinking “I want a big family of my own” or “I never want children”. Not many who grow up around loads of kids seem to be ambivalent about kids as adults, in my experience.
paperflights wrote: »
Long time lurker, decided this forum deserved an account setup!
I'm a 27 y/o female, which may seem young in terms of childfree decisions but I'm fairly adamant on my decision and my age has no bearing on it.
To be honest, I never really actually liked children that much. I was dragged to babysit cousins and neighbours whenever I was a teenager and I can remember just counting down the seconds until their bedtime because I just found entertaining them so boring. Like others, I had it at the back of my mind that I'd probably miraculously end up liking children sometime in my life and having them, but that really hasn't happened at all. I find them really boring and annoying. I interact well with them and they always like me, but I'm dying of boredom inside.
I don't intend to share my childfree decision with others purely because it's really nobody's business. I was really taken aback a few months ago when a colleague started asking me if I wanted children, etc. She probably thought it was harmless enough but I really would never dream of asking anyone it. Anyway, it turned out that she was really heartbroken because it didn't seem that she and her partner were able to have children, or so it appeared to them anyway after years of trying. I was really heartbroken for her- she'd make a fantastic mother- but for me, it just cemented my childfree stance. Without meaning to cause offence, being infertile etc wouldn't be a major issue for me at all.
On another note, I think it's great that people seem to be mulling over the children decision now. I know countless people who seem to have "fallen into" having children, without giving it any great thought, and seem constantly exasperated at parenting and longing for freedom. On the other hand, I think back to my school days and many of the people who had issues with their parents- divorced parents, etc- are now parents themselves and seem to really dote on their children.
Finances are also a big factor for me. I make an ok salary but after my mortgage etc. is paid there isn't a huge amount leftover. I have friends etc who pay for childcare and it all just seems extortionate.
Finally, there's the fact that I'm really independent. I love being able to go when I want, where I want (pre covid obviously) and the thoughts of running kids to music practice or sports training just drives me bananas. The thought of parent-teacher meetings, making lunches etc is imprisioning for me!
BuboBubo wrote: »
A parent will only admit they're miserable and unhappy to childfree folks, never to other parents
Dial Hard wrote: »
I'd be very surprised if that was in Ireland, and perhaps Weisses might confirm.
skallywag wrote: »
That's not true in my own experience.
I have often come across friends etc. who will openly talk about this, and I do so myself. Sometimes the decisions that you take do not align to the way that reality pans out and you find yourself living with it.
o1s1n wrote: »
Plenty of people genuinely regret having children too, it's just such an absolute taboo it's never discussed and I'm sure a massively repressed feeling for most parents who feel that way.
markodaly wrote: »
Do they do? Is there any stats on this or is it just a made-up viewpoint?
markodaly wrote: »
I don't want to drag this thread off-topic, but the odd Facebook forum or Reddit group wouldn't be any real indication of 'plenty' of people regretting having children. Whether we like it or not, humans are biologically predisposed to want to have children, otherwise there would be no humans on the planet. It is just biology.
One thing I will say is that children complicate things, especially relationships. If you are not secure in yourself, your partner and your relationship and you bring children into the equation, then it can be a very rocky road, hence why I understand from many posts here people just don't want the hassle and want to remain childfree which is fine and probably actually very wise for all concerned.
I see having kids as a high risk, high reward venture.
R.D. aka MR.D wrote: »
Do you have the stats to back up that parents don't regret their kids?
Would you like to share your opinion or scientific biological reasons that there are abandoned and abused kids in the world?
It is great that you like having children and enjoy it. But spare a minute for how opressive it might be for someone who wants to express their less than enthusiastic feeling on their children to be told that it is 'biological'.
Do you actually want to hear the other side or are you just here to patronise us childfree people . 'Wise for all concerned'. Your some boy.
... I'm patronizing when you write a post like that? OK.
Ave Sodalis wrote: »
Your post is pretty patronising, when you surmised from the thread that people just don't want the hassle of kids. Most of the posts are about how they never felt that urge to have children and are comfortable enough in themselves to not have children just because society says so.
Generally when people conclude that it's a good idea for someone not to have children, they tend to be implying that that person is in someway defective as a human. Not saying you're doing that, as per say, but it's often meant that way.
cee_jay wrote: »
You see that... for you.
Looking at our meaning of life is to reproduce is one evolutionary viewpoint only. If you look at it on an individual basis, or even moral or environmental, it is not the meaning of life. In fact, it could be argued by not having children we are actually saving the planet. From a biological point of view, having children is probably one of the most selfish things you can do. You’re stealing resources from others in order to perpetuate your genes. If we continue the way we are going, there won't be a planet left for us to reproduce on.
If we do look at a pre-disposition to having children, that doesn't necessarily mean you don't regret it. Relationships are complex, and just being a parent doesn't necessarily mean you will have a loving relationship with your child, and there are many reasons why you might have a regret around this.
I am quite secure in myself and in my relationship. My relationship status was never a reason for me not to have children. I never had this biological urge you claim is the reason for my existence.
markodaly wrote: »
Why does it feel good to have sex, for example? That is nature telling us to do it again and again because it wants to reproduce. .
markodaly wrote: »
Well, that is one way of looking at it, perhaps an extreme way, which taken to the logical conclusion humans will make themselves extinct. However, how many people that want to be childfree, are actually trying to save the planet? A tiny tiny fraction id say. But it is a point of view I have heard from some people online, although I dont know if its actually done in practice.
Of course. LIFE is complicated. Some people who have children may regret it, just like people who don't have children may regret it later on in life. Both are true statements. Again, each to their own. It's a wonderful thing that people are alive in 2021 where there is actually some choice to be had.
It is not my claim at all, we have evolved over millions of years from apes that lived in trees. We, humans, exist more so by accident but also by hardcoded biological urges that in some way are still with us today. Why does it feel good to have sex, for example? That is nature telling us to do it again and again because it wants to reproduce. However, today we have contraception and the like to counter that natural consequence of having sex. A couple wanting to have a child-free life in 1921 would have found it incredibly difficult than a couple in 2021.
markodaly wrote: »
It is not my claim at all, we have evolved over millions of years from apes that lived in trees. We, humans, exist more so by accident but also by hardcoded biological urges that in some way are still with us today.
Kopparberg Strawberry and Lime wrote: »
I mentioned this before but for the sake of the discussion taking place here now,
I started a thread about kids before and also added a poll with 4 choices. Here are the results
I have kids and think it's great - 184 votes (40%)
I have kids and regret it - 21 votes (5%)
I don't have kids and think it's great - 228 votes (49%)
I don't have kids and regret it - 28 votes (6%)
I'm pro not having kids etc but even I was amazed at these results from the forum users
dobman88 wrote: »
The only surprising thing in that for me is the amount of people who have kids. I think it's a bit counter productive for them to read/post on a childfree forum as they usually wouldn't understand or agree with the decision to not have children which takes away from the "safe space" that this forum is supposed to be.
Hopefully it doesn't go that way, but there has been some posts to suggest it will already.
Faith wrote: »
I think the poll came from a thread posted on After Hours a few years ago, not this forum
JoChervil wrote: »
Why does it feel good to drink alcohol. Is it a nature telling us to be alcoholics?
Or why does eating feel so good? Obese people are often not healthy and if we indulge we would become unhealthy.
Is it what nature wants for us?
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