Lidl leg of lamb.

richie123

Just saw an add in the paper for a leg of lamb.
6.75 a kilo.
Now with lamb prices well north of 7 euro and then include factories margin that is one hell of a loss leader.

memorystick

New Zealand I’d say. Frozen I assume

whelan2

My bets are there will be none in stock when you go to get them.

Akesh

memorystick wrote: »

New Zealand I’d say. Frozen I assume

It's fresh, from Ireland. Pretty sure it's Inisvale.

Base price

Akesh wrote: »

It's fresh, from Ireland. Pretty sure it's Inisvale.

It is Inisvale but it's €6.47/kg
https://www.lidl.ie/en/p/product-recommendation/irish-whole-lamb-leg/p2182

Dunedin

Have to say I find the Lidl meat very good.

richie123

Dunedin wrote: »

Have to say I find the Lidl meat very good.

Yes especially the rib eye steaks..

Just highlighting the loss the supermarket is willing to take to draw people in to its higher margin products.

Last week hoggets were 7 30 ...factory margin is surly 50 cent at least ??
Add in a margin for wholesalers too
Its a big loss for supermarket.
Really makes little of an excellent product

whelan2

Dunedin wrote: »

Have to say I find the Lidl meat very good.

Lidl striploin steaks are very good

kk.man

richie123 wrote: »

Yes especially the rib eye steaks..

Just highlighting the loss the supermarket is willing to take to draw people in to its higher margin products.

Last week hoggets were 7 30 ...factory margin is surly 50 cent at least ??
Add in a margin for wholesalers too
Its a big loss for supermarket.
Really makes little of an excellent product

Factories don't make much on lambing. I was told the net margin onse and it was very poor.

The supermarkets will take a hit on lamb now but they will make up for it when product becomes more plentiful.

blue5000

The profit on Easter eggs probably makes up for the loss on the lamb.

richie123

kk.man wrote: »

Factories don't make much on lambing. I was told the net margin onse and it was very poor.

The supermarkets will take a hit on lamb now but they will make up for it when product becomes more plentiful.

What is the margin ?
If you take Kildale chilling they might kill about 3000 lambs these days or less.
But if it was a euro a kilo that's 3 grand i mean would it be worth even opening the factory at that rate ?
The costs of running those factories would be outrageous id say.

893bet

blue5000 wrote: »

The profit on Easter eggs probably makes up for the loss on the lamb.

At 5 for a 5er it is hard to see money in them.

893bet

richie123 wrote: »

What is the margin ?
If you take Kildale chilling they might kill about 3000 lambs these days or less.
But if it was a euro a kilo that's 3 grand i mean would it be worth even opening the factory at that rate ?
The costs of running those factories would be outrageous id say.

3000 lambs a day at 60 kilo each? 180,000 kilos of lamb per day? Sounds a lot!

Green farmer

whelan2 wrote: »

My bets are there will be none in stock when you go to get them.

That's a below cost special on the legs. What price does the rest of the lamb sell at. Ie chops etc ? Might make a loss 1 week a year but not the other 51 weeks .

richie123

893bet wrote: »

3000 lambs a day at 60 kilo each? 180,000 kilos of lamb per day? Sounds a lot!

Sorry blonde hair moment,lol.. a euro a lamb I meant to say ..I'm just surmizing here I havnt a clue of the costs involved.or margin.

whelan2

893bet wrote: »

At 5 for a 5er it is hard to see money in them.

Kids dont appreciate easter eggs anymore. When we were young we got 1 Easter egg each. That was it. You looked forward to it for the whole of lent. You ate every bit of it. Easter eggs end up being made into cakes etc

downtown3858

richie123 wrote: »

What is the margin ?
If you take Kildale chilling they might kill about 3000 lambs these days or less.
But if it was a euro a kilo that's 3 grand i mean would it be worth even opening the factory at that rate ?
The costs of running those factories would be outrageous id say.

A euro a kg isn’t 3000 if they kill 3000. A euro a kg at 20 kg deadweight is 20 euro x 3000 is 60000 in the week if it’s euro kg. There isn’t to many factories losing money ! Don’t believe everything they say. They showed millions in profit when it was printed last year

downtown3858

downtown3858 wrote: »

A euro a kg isn’t 3000 if they kill 3000. A euro a kg at 20 kg deadweight is 20 euro x 3000 is 60000 in the week if it’s euro kg. There isn’t to many factories losing money ! Don’t believe everything they say. They showed millions in profit when it was printed last year

Ops see it sorted above

richie123

downtown3858 wrote: »

A euro a kg isn’t 3000 if they kill 3000. A euro a kg at 20 kg deadweight is 20 euro x 3000 is 60000 in the week if it’s euro kg. There isn’t to many factories losing money ! Don’t believe everything they say. They showed millions in profit when it was printed last year

Well the local butcher charges around 40 per lamb
So allowing for economies of scale factory could do it for half or less im guessing.
So if 1000 killed ina day that's 20 grand.
All depends on costs then after that which is the million dollar question.

kk.man

richie123 wrote: »

What is the margin ?
If you take Kildale chilling they might kill about 3000 lambs these days or less.
But if it was a euro a kilo that's 3 grand i mean would it be worth even opening the factory at that rate ?
The costs of running those factories would be outrageous id say.

I think it's somewhere around 2e to 2.50e. Therefore at the above kill it be 6,000e that's after all costs etc. That might seem good but buy a site, build the plant, put all those costly machinery in place and market the lamb. It's a bit like farming asset rich cash poor. Those lamb plants only compliment the beef interprise.

TooOldBoots

893bet wrote: »

At 5 for a 5er it is hard to see money in them.

With regard to easter eggs
Considering that since Cadbury was taken over by the Yanks theres now f-all chocolate in the chocolate. It now tastes like very sweet gunk. So 5 for 5 euro is a bit pricey
You'd be better off giving your money towards one of the. small independent chocolate makers like O’Briens or Wilde Irish Chocolates. Nicer chocolate, plus you'd be supporting Irish

Treppen

893bet wrote: »

At 5 for a 5er it is hard to see money in them.

The quality of the chocolate in those is kak . Prolly cost them 50c

Seaswimmer

TooOldBoots wrote: »

With regard to easter eggs
Considering that since Cadbury was taken over by the Yanks theres now f-all chocolate in the chocolate. It now tastes like very sweet gunk. So 5 for 5 euro is a bit pricey
You'd be better off giving your money towards one of the. small independent chocolate makers like O’Briens or Wilde Irish Chocolates. Nicer chocolate, plus you'd be supporting Irish

Agree fully. But if any Easter egg manufacturer managed to do something about reducing the horrendous excess packaging they would get my business before all others

timple23

Seaswimmer wrote: »

Agree fully. But if any Easter egg manufacturer managed to do something about reducing the horrendous excess packaging they would get my business before all others

Pity those companies aren't scrutinized as much as farmers are in regards to their environmental responsibilities.

White Clover

I'd advise not to be worrying about the factories margin!
They’re at it long enough now to know how to make a profit over the course of the year.

Kat1170

Worries on the Farming forum about the meat factories making a profit, never thought I'd see the day

richie123

Kat1170 wrote: »

Worries on the Farming forum about the meat factories making a profit, never thought I'd see the day

Its just general discussion lol...id actually love to know what they make.how profitable it is you know.

lakill Farm

Is it €40 to deep freeze a lamb now? any receipts I see is €25/30


when I worked with a butcher it was £5 then €7 to get the lamb killed and the same price again to deep freeze it. No problem I could do 4 lambs an hour, for deep freeze including cutting , trimming, bagging and label .


at the same time if a 55kg butcher lamb made €100/110 in the back end of the summer the same lamb would go out over the counter at €220/235

richie123 wrote: »

Well the local butcher charges around 40 per lamb
So allowing for economies of scale factory could do it for half or less im guessing.
So if 1000 killed ina day that's 20 grand.
All depends on costs then after that which is the million dollar question.

Bass Reeves

I have never been in a lamb slaughtering plant. I have been in the beef one's. However sheep would be very fast to butcher and skin out compared to a bullock. You would not need the plant to be anywhere as complex.

Do you have a couple of assembly lines on the go or are lambs going along the line in batches. Like beef plants the majority working would be in the minimum wage. That a wage of 85/ day add employer PRSI and holidays lads working are costing 13-14/ hour at most 105-120/ day. On an automated line would you be slaughtering 20/ hour/ labour unit.

richie123

Bass Reeves wrote: »

I have never been in a lamb slaughtering plant. I have been in the beef one's. However sheep would be very fast to butcher and skin out compared to a bullock. You would not need the plant to be anywhere as complex.

Do you have a couple of assembly lines on the go or are lambs going along the line in batches. Like beef plants the majority working would be in the minimum wage. That a wage of 85/ day add employer PRSI and holidays lads working are costing 13-14/ hour at most 105-120/ day. On an automated line would you be slaughtering 20/ hour/ labour unit.

I see.. I've actually never seen sheep being killed would you believe.
Ya some one else said same thing, lambs a lot quicker to butcher.

greysides

Bass Reeves wrote: »

I have never been in a lamb slaughtering plant.


......

On an automated line would you be slaughtering 20/ hour/ labour unit.

No. Closer to 10.

The prowler

Dont ever worry about the factory and their margins, look at the rich lists every year, plenty of people involved in meat processing in the top 30.
Dont forget for lamb the factory are paying carcass weight, the 5 quarter is free for them and almost nothing is wasted (which is good to see).
The top 5 sheep processing plants would be killing anything between 2400 and 3000 each everyday so an automated factory line in these big plants is probably doing 320 or so an hour

lab man

Went to the local butcher there yesterday eve 4 giggot chops and 1 1/2 lbs beef stir fry 29euro I nearly choaked

Bass Reeves

lab man wrote: »

Went to the local butcher there yesterday eve 4 giggot chops and 1 1/2 lbs beef stir fry 29euro I nearly choaked

The four gigot chops were 24 euro the stir fry a fiver

Shelflife

Shag all being made on the Easter eggs, they were offered to us ( a Spar shop) to sell at €3 making 40c each or 3 for €5 and make 5c (1%) . Aldi or Lidl now selling them 3 for €3 so can’t see how they are making anything on them.

They used to be a nice earner years ago but their year I didn’t bother buying in any this year, first time in nearly 30 years.

The Aldi’s and Lidl’s are happy to sell below cost, they don’t care if they mess up the local small shop or the local farmers, we’re all just collateral damage in their war for market share.

lab man

Bass Reeves wrote: »

The four gigot chops were 24 euro the stir fry a fiver

29 all in some price

alps

Bass Reeves wrote: »

The four gigot chops were 24 euro the stir fry a fiver

He'll drive you into Aldi/Lidl

TooOldBoots

Shelflife wrote: »

Shag all being made on the Easter eggs, they were offered to us ( a Spar shop) to sell at €3 making 40c each or 3 for €5 and make 5c (1%) . Aldi or Lidl now selling them 3 for €3 so can’t see how they are making anything on them.

They used to be a nice earner years ago but their year I didn’t bother buying in any this year, first time in nearly 30 years.

The Aldi’s and Lidl’s are happy to sell below cost, they don’t care if they mess up the local small shop or the local farmers, we’re all just collateral damage in their war for market share.

Jezz c how are the small shops making a bob with margins like that.

Base price

I asked a butcher today when buying some ribeye for dinner how much per kg for a leg of lamb. He said up to this week it was €12.99 but Spring lamb is €15.99.

timple23

Shelflife wrote: »

Shag all being made on the Easter eggs, they were offered to us ( a Spar shop) to sell at €3 making 40c each or 3 for €5 and make 5c (1%) . Aldi or Lidl now selling them 3 for €3 so can’t see how they are making anything on them.

They used to be a nice earner years ago but their year I didn’t bother buying in any this year, first time in nearly 30 years.

The Aldi’s and Lidl’s are happy to sell below cost, they don’t care if they mess up the local small shop or the local farmers, we’re all just collateral damage in their war for market share.

This is what kills me about lidl/aldi, how do they run big ads supporting local farmers/food businesses on one page of the leaflet, then turn the page and they're selling carrots for 50c.

richie123

timple23 wrote: »

This is what kills me about lidl/aldi, how do they run big ads supporting local farmers/food businesses on one page of the leaflet, then turn the page and they're selling carrots for 50c.

Absolute joke and it shouldn't be allowed
Stuff like chocolate sweets chips processed rubbish food should be taxed higher
And below cost selling of good nutritious meat and veg should be banned.
The amount of waste of good food simply because its too cheap.

lab man

timple23 wrote: »

This is what kills me about lidl/aldi, how do they run big ads supporting local farmers/food businesses on one page of the leaflet, then turn the page and they're selling carrots for 50c.

Alot of friends I have in Germany will not under any circumstances shop in lidl , aldi ,treff,or any other because they have nearly broke the farmers there years ago .
there are a lot of farmers markets in germany now

whelan2

lab man wrote: »

Went to the local butcher there yesterday eve 4 giggot chops and 1 1/2 lbs beef stir fry 29euro I nearly choaked

Was talking to a farmers wife a few years ago. He would be a bit bossy to her. All meat to come from butchers he told her. She was given an allowance for groceries each week. She said if she bought all the meat in the butchers there would be no money left. So she would get the meat in lidl and tell him it was from the butchers. He used to say it was lovely meat...

odyssey06

richie123 wrote: »

Absolute joke and it shouldn't be allowed
Stuff like chocolate sweets chips processed rubbish food should be taxed higher
And below cost selling of good nutritious meat and veg should be banned.
The amount of waste of good food simply because its too cheap.

As if anyone is going to waste a leg of lamb cos they got it on a LIDL discount.
The most frequently wasted products are things like salad & bread with short shelf life.
Nothing to do with below cost selling, everything to do with portion sizes.

You seem completely unfamiliar with our current VAT rates if you are posting this.

whelan2

Shelflife wrote: »

Shag all being made on the Easter eggs, they were offered to us ( a Spar shop) to sell at €3 making 40c each or 3 for €5 and make 5c (1%) . Aldi or Lidl now selling them 3 for €3 so can’t see how they are making anything on them.

They used to be a nice earner years ago but their year I didn’t bother buying in any this year, first time in nearly 30 years.

The Aldi’s and Lidl’s are happy to sell below cost, they don’t care if they mess up the local small shop or the local farmers, we’re all just collateral damage in their war for market share.

Instead of easter eggs I posted a package to my nephews and nieces. Got them a kids magazine each, a bottle of bubbles and a kinder egg. My sister in law sent me a video of them opening their post. Great excitement. She said much better entertainment than an easter egg.

Dinzee Conlee

whelan2 wrote: »

Instead of easter eggs I posted a package to my nephews and nieces. Got them a kids magazine each, a bottle of bubbles and a kinder egg. My sister in law sent me a video of them opening their post. Great excitement. She said much better entertainment than an easter egg.

We just got the exact same package from family earlier today...
Like you said - was super excitement...

whelan2

Dinzee Conlee wrote: »

We just got the exact same package from family earlier today...
Like you said - was super excitement...

An post have a great deal atm. You get the padded envelope and delivery for just over 5 euro

richie123

odyssey06 wrote: »

As if anyone is going to waste a leg of lamb cos they got it on a LIDL discount.
The most frequently wasted products are things like salad & bread with short shelf life.
Nothing to do with below cost selling, everything to do with portion sizes.

You seem completely unfamiliar with our current VAT rates if you are posting this.

Enlighten me.

odyssey06

richie123 wrote: »

Enlighten me.

VAT rates...
Fresh meat is zero rated 0%
Savoury snack products such as crisps at 23%
Chocolates, sweets at 23%

J.O. Farmer

whelan2 wrote: »

Was talking to a farmers wife a few years ago. He would be a bit bossy to her. All meat to come from butchers he told her. She was given an allowance for groceries each week. She said if she bought all the meat in the butchers there would be no money left. So she would get the meat in lidl and tell him it was from the butchers. He used to say it was lovely meat...

Nothing wrong with Lidl or Aldi meat.

The husband was lucky she didn't just buy him liver in the butchers with that attitude giving her "an allowance" for groceries. She should have full access to all the money.

lab man

J.O. Farmer wrote: »

Nothing wrong with Lidl or Aldi meat.

The husband was lucky she didn't just buy him liver in the butchers with that attitude giving her "an allowance" for groceries. She should have full access to all the money.

My sister is 50 gone and gets an allowance for everything fair backward