Relaxation of Restrictions, Part X *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

Boggles

Boggles wrote: »

I'm convinced it was rouge Doozers working on the housing estates near me.

Had to be sure every construction worker was sitting at home since December.

pjohnson

Boggles wrote: »

I'm convinced it was rouge Doozers working on the housing estates near me.

Had to be sure every construction worker was sitting at home since December.

They probably had passports aswell.


The horrors of the real world.

Elessar

I see government has given control to NPHET to apply an emergency brake if numbers start climbing too much.

Which is exactly what will start happening in May. Government will just put their hands up and say "sorry", we need to protect 'x' in society. Will they close the businesses that just reopened? Who knows.

_Kaiser_

Dr. Bre wrote: »

Couldn’t care if I had to wear mask on a flight or in a airport just so I can travel again !

See there's the problem..

You didn't have to wear one before all this. With the vulnerable vaccinated there's even less reason to have to. Their effectiveness (given how most people are treating them) is questionable at best.

You shouldn't have to accept what is more of a psychological tool to remind you of "de virus" and "de rules" as well as a not so subtle means of social separation and reminding you not to be interacting too much with others, just to be "allowed" do things as you could before, for a virus that's even less of a threat now than ever.

I understand your eagerness to get back to travelling but be careful about what conditions you accept to do so.

paw patrol

Deleted User wrote: »

Good to see construction is back soon. There should be some sort of breakfast roll metric to see if the economy is getting back on its feet.

Boggles wrote: »

They were ghost builders.

construction never closed according to Boggles - Tom Parlon told him too.:pac:

JRant

gozunda wrote: »

We know that at least 50% of those in hospital with Covid up to recently have been under 65s. The most recent 14 Day Epidemiological report now gives that figure as just under 73%. And whilst it is likley that a significant proportion of those have underlying conditions - the facts are that of the cases notified today 71% are under 45 years of age, with the median age being just 32 years.

Interestingly the average age of those contracting Covid seems to been driven down by the current vaccination programme - which means we will continue to see at least a proportion of people belonging to younger age groups in hospital for some time to come.

True enough but 50% of a low number is still a low number. It's about the acceptable level of risk now. We are running at 400/500 cases a day and hospital numbers are still dropping. We may be able to have far larger numbers of cases and have no material impact on hospital services. There will always be edge cases but we are very close to a point where cases are almost a meaningless metric.

I agree with the age profile of current cases and being driven by vaccinations. By the end of May we should have over 60's done and a large chunk of over 50's. The landscape will look increasingly positive even by then and we will probably see an accelerated reopening.

_Kaiser_

Elessar wrote: »

I see government has given control to NPHET to apply an emergency brake if numbers start climbing too much.

Which is exactly what will start happening in May. Government will just put their hands up and say "sorry", we need to protect 'x' in society. Will they close the businesses that just reopened? Who knows.

Well the mantra this time is that what opens stays open.

If they back away from that or try to impose new restrictions after people get used to things again, and all in the context of the actually vulnerable having been vaccinated, there'll be war.

Does anybody feel somewhat like me... I kind of feel like a caged bird for the past year (living alone) who used to live flying here there and everywhere, and suddenly as the cafe door is released I'm almost nervous to fly out?

This morning, all the talk now on the radio is of the possibility that the brakes may suddenly be applied again. I feel somehow I can't dare to rejoice too much, suppose because I'm naturally cautious by nature. Had to cancel an epic cruise twice over, and going to look for my money back. I comfort myself that this will be here to spend on something lovely once the green light is steady and strong.

Sharpyshoot

The government won’t bath an eye lid in closing down society again if the excrement hits the rotisserie.
It’s up to each individual now to live in a responsible way.

JRant

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Does anybody feel somewhat like me... I kind of feel like a caged bird for the past year (living alone) who used to live flying here there and everywhere, and suddenly as the cafe door is released I'm almost nervous to fly out?

This morning, all the talk now on the radio is of the possibility that the brakes may suddenly be applied again. I feel somehow I can't dare to rejoice too much, suppose because I'm naturally cautious by nature. Had to cancel an epic cruise twice over, and going to look for my money back. I comfort myself that this will be here to spend on something lovely once the green light is steady and strong.

Ah, I wouldn't pay too much attention to this "handbrake" they started talking about today. They are trying to stop people from doing what they want around household visits etc and this is the only way they know how. Cases are meaningless, even NPHET must be realising that by now.

Give it a month or two with everything starting to open up and you'll be booking your next trip without a second thought.

The government have all but admitted they are in trouble financially. Unless vaccines don't work on Irish people we won't be going back to lockdown again.

paw patrol

positive news all round - albeit 9/10 months too late.
After June BH weekend 2020 it was clear this wasn't the black death or Ebola and we should have behaved accordingly

But we still have NPHET banging the drum of 1000 new cases a day come July (see yesterdays Indo )
They never stop. Their fear mongering is the same as 12month ago.

They would have us "live" with the virus forever on their terms never actually facing the fact that we must actually live with the virus.

If there was no vaccine NPHET would never accept that we just need to get on and accept the terrible 99.9% survival rate.
It would be perpetual lockdowns and dictats. For a team of so called medical experts they have no notion of a persons immune system , something that brought us to this point in history from the prehistoric swamp

but brighter days ahead and hopefully all rules and restrictions (like masks) are discarded and we never hear the terms NPHET / new normal / social distancing again.

Boggles

beggars_bush wrote: »

Comstruction never really stopped down the country
Two houses built up the road since January

You see didn't long. Someone was going to come along and tell you that didn't happen.

paw patrol wrote: »

construction never closed according to Boggles - Tom Parlon told him too.:pac:

Boggles

Deleted User wrote: »

Does anybody feel somewhat like me... I kind of feel like a caged bird for the past year (living alone) who used to live flying here there and everywhere, and suddenly as the cafe door is released I'm almost nervous to fly out?

This morning, all the talk now on the radio is of the possibility that the brakes may suddenly be applied again. I feel somehow I can't dare to rejoice too much, suppose because I'm naturally cautious by nature. Had to cancel an epic cruise twice over, and going to look for my money back. I comfort myself that this will be here to spend on something lovely once the green light is steady and strong.

Even on this thread I think the overwhelming consensus would be that was a prudent thing to do.

M_Murphy57

Elessar wrote: »

I see government has given control to NPHET to apply an emergency brake if numbers start climbing too much.

Which is exactly what will start happening in May. Government will just put their hands up and say "sorry", we need to protect 'x' in society. Will they close the businesses that just reopened? Who knows.

Yeah that headline annoyed me too, but that's just another example of FF continuing to infantalise the electorate.

FF: *Pats electorate on the head* "now, because you've been very good boys and girls, mammy and daddy will let you outside in about 9 weeks time. But remember, if you are bold between now and then mammy and daddy can still ground you? Understand? Good boy"

The reality is we are smashed broke and cant afford these restrictions any longer. Leo said multiple times on multiple media outlets yesterday that the bill is coming. So they can patronise us and tell is we are bold all they want but they cant afford to keep us locked in any longer.

I just wish we had a government that respected us and treated us like adults. The next GE cant come quick enough.

Marcusm

bear1 wrote: »

True but imagine a 10 hour flight wearing it constantly
Which brings me onto another point, I wonder when the government is thinking of scrapping the hotel ****e and allowing tourists in.

Loads of people do already in Asia for decades since SARS. With the right mask, I found a plane one of the easiest places to wear it (only up to 3 hours experience Per flight) because the air is very dry anyway. I found I was less dried out, not as thickly a thread and, as the mask didn’t get wet, no steamy glasses etc. I used to do a lot of long haul (12+ hours) and would never have considered a mask. I would now. Look at the reduced incidence of colds and flus. Plus, helps keep the stink of some some food and fellow travellers farts away!

pjohnson

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

I understand your eagerness to get back to travelling but be careful about what conditions you accept to do so.

If people dont want to accept travel conditions they can just stay at home.

Boggles

pjohnson wrote: »

If people dont want to accept travel conditions they can just stay at home.

What do you mean I can't bring my sword on the board the airplane?

You want to scan my shoes?

But Me Fraydumbs!

Boggles

Boggles wrote: »

Even on this thread I think the overwhelming consensus would be that was a prudent thing to do.

Absolutely agree, and had no notion of being able to undertake such travel. Just that, very unusually for me, I'm even losing the interest in more exotic travel.

paw patrol

Boggles wrote: »

You see didn't long. Someone was going to come along and tell you that didn't happen.

.from todays indo
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/everything-you-need-to-know-about-irelands-summer-on-the-road-out-of-lockdown-40371916.html

Anything else?
From May 4, construction sites will fully reopen.

Now can you explain why they would write if construction was open ?
unless it wasn't.

and worse still the government themselves are lying

https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/2dc71-level-5/#construction

Construction is closed with the following exceptions:

are you suggesting that everything is an exception?

and finally 2 of my 3 friends in construction who weren't working for a major builder - the 2 are self employed - were lying about being on the PUP for the first 3 months of 2021.

I'm glad I have you to rely on with so many liars out there.:)

Being honest , like many sectors in covid the big companies circumvented the rules with exceptions and magic certs - while smaller business had to suffer the consequences of the restrictions.
That doesn't mean the sector (any sector) was open

Boggles

paw patrol wrote: »

Now can you explain why they would write if construction was open ?
unless it wasn't.

You'll have to take that up with the OP.

beggars_bush wrote: »

Comstruction never really stopped down the country
Two houses built up the road since January

It's like there is a whole country out there that can't be 100% monitored by randomers on the internet.

Here is picture of me in my new house holding my new passport.

Nope couldn't have happened, website said so.

paw patrol

Boggles wrote: »

You'll have to take that up with the OP.



It's like there is a whole country out there that can't be 100% monitored by randomers on the internet.

Here is picture of me in my new house holding my new passport.

Nope couldn't have happened, website said so.

I don't think you are lying about your passport and house.
but we should agree n=1 (or n= boggles) doesn't paint the full societal picture.

There clearly was shut down of construction and I did state that i know from people in the industry that big companies got to circumvent the rules.
For example, my mate was in work cos a few houses on the site were social housing but the entire team was in working on all houses on the basis
while the other 2 who are self employed were doing similar work but had no social house to latch onto and suffered the PUP for 3 months in 2021

PowerToWait

The reaction to the latest developments proves my suspicion that anti restrictions types are in the main a sour bunch of whining drama queens. Not necessarily those posting on this thread, of course.

No matter what happens, they predict worse times ahead. Holohan is the devil and will do this and that despite CLEAR evidence to the contrary.

All the utter misery they predicted has failed to come to pass. I really think they enjoyed the lockdown for the opportunity to whine and moan every moment of every day. Now it’s coming to an end they are still whinging and bitching.

the kelt

JRant wrote: »

True enough but 50% of a low number is still a low number. It's about the acceptable level of risk now. We are running at 400/500 cases a day and hospital numbers are still dropping. We may be able to have far larger numbers of cases and have no material impact on hospital services. There will always be edge cases but we are very close to a point where cases are almost a meaningless metric.

I agree with the age profile of current cases and being driven by vaccinations. By the end of May we should have over 60's done and a large chunk of over 50's. The landscape will look increasingly positive even by then and we will probably see an accelerated reopening.

This is the thing. We are still running at 400/500 cases a day and hospilisations are still falling. We need to be cautious of course but not utterly pessimistic.

Cases are irrelevant now, almost a meaningless metric now, we have to remember cases at the moment are being driven by the multitude of pop up test centres around the country where anyone who feels like it can have a test, what would they be without those centres?

I can see the pace of restriction easing being accelerated but still a bit concerned hearing MM talking about case numbers still as if they are the solid metric they once were.

timmyntc

M_Murphy57 wrote: »

Yeah that headline annoyed me too, but that's just another example of FF continuing to infantalise the electorate.

FF: *Pats electorate on the head* "now, because you've been very good boys and girls, mammy and daddy will let you outside in about 9 weeks time. But remember, if you are bold between now and then mammy and daddy can still ground you? Understand? Good boy"

The reality is we are smashed broke and cant afford these restrictions any longer. Leo said multiple times on multiple media outlets yesterday that the bill is coming. So they can patronise us and tell is we are bold all they want but they cant afford to keep us locked in any longer.

I just wish we had a government that respected us and treated us like adults. The next GE cant come quick enough.

The govts reopening plan was likely pushed forward due to financial reasons - so I'd be very surprised if they allowed another lockdown and few months of people on the PUP. The penny has finally dropped that a mountain of debt has been added, and it cant continue.

average_runner

Boggles wrote: »

You see didn't long. Someone was going to come along and tell you that didn't happen.

Social housing estate was built during lockdown here.
Plenty of houses getting construction work also.
New estates in Adamstown, worked continue on them also.


Council was building cycling lanes in Lucan during the lockdown and footpaths.


House viewings for houses that were for sale, were happening during lockdown also. 2 Houses got sold in our estate during it!!

paw patrol

PowerToWait wrote: »

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All the utter misery they predicted has failed to come to pass.

I'm not sour just realistic.

Unsure if Holohan is the devil but he and NPHET were granted too much control over the country and the loss of our civil liberties is something troubling. If you're fine with that loss of rights - for the 99.9% survival rate , good on you, but I'm not.
If our rights can be removed so easily we never had them in the first place. What's even worse is that I know I'm in a minority and it's bizarre how people can be so wound up in fear that they happily give up their rights.

But I want to address the quote above...what do you think the last 10 out of 12 months has been if not utter misery?
In fairness you are kinda correct cos nobody predicted the utter cowardly behaviour of the government and the near 5 months of 2021 lockdown we have endured. Not even mentioning 2020.
It was much worse than people predicted - don't know if even Alex Jones foresaw the Mehole effect.

But we are where we are and hopefully things will move on

paw patrol

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

They seem to be largely going along with NPHET’s advice though. Tony Holohan doesn’t come across as the kind of man who would just say what he’s told by government - remember his return last October?

Leo Varadkar remembers alright :pac:

His slap down of NPHET and Tony at the time resulted in the leaking expose that caused his current political and garda woes. make of that what you will...but he hasn't gone against them again.

timmyntc

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

They seem to be largely going along with NPHET’s advice though. Tony Holohan doesn’t come across as the kind of man who would just say what he’s told by government - remember his return last October?

It's hard to know when they havent published all the advice yeah - only 2 days ago they ignored NPHETs advice to add most of europe to the MHQ list.

The only thing I could find was this from RTE:

The most recent official advice to the Government from NPHET described the overall situation as fragile, and that any increase in close contacts would represent a significant risk.

Boggles

paw patrol wrote: »

2 who are self employed were doing similar work but had no social house to latch onto and suffered the PUP for 3 months in 2021

2 of your mates are self employed tradesmen and they sat at home for 3 months claiming the PUP?

All though they were entitled to work at least in part and claim it.

Good for them.

Trades in my family and personal circle were flat out.

ypres5

PowerToWait wrote: »

The reaction to the latest developments proves my suspicion that anti restrictions types are in the main a sour bunch of whining drama queens. Not necessarily those posting on this thread, of course.

No matter what happens, they predict worse times ahead. Holohan is the devil and will do this and that despite CLEAR evidence to the contrary.

All the utter misery they predicted has failed to come to pass. I really think they enjoyed the lockdown for the opportunity to whine and moan every moment of every day. Now it’s coming to an end they are still whinging and bitching.

Honestly I've seen more posts from pro lockdown people accusing people of whinging and bitching on the thread much more than I've seen actual whinging and bitching. Care to share some examples of whinging and bitching that's apparently so prevalent?