Park Tools Hook and Pick Set

cletus

I wasn't sure if this question fit in any of the other existing threads, but I thought it would get most eyeballs out on it's own.

If anyone has a set of these, could you check the diameter of the shank (not the handle), as I have a mind to make myself a set of them

Thanks in advance

iwillhtfu

Looks to be around 5mm - "Cold formed, heat treated and polished carbon steel" carbon steel no less

Maybe 4mm I was thinking 4 might be a bit bendy but being carbon it'll be quite strong.

cletus

iwillhtfu wrote: »

Looks to be around 5mm - "Cold formed, heat treated and polished carbon steel" carbon steel no less

Maybe 4mm I was thinking 4 might be a bit bendy but being carbon it'll be quite strong.

I've 5mm stainless, at 100-120mm length bending shouldn't really be an issue. I have a cheap pick set I got from Ali Express, and it's a 3mm shaft diameter.

Maybe I'll just make new handles for them and keep the working end

Are you guestimating, or do you actually have a set? If you have, I'll get some other critical measurements from you

iwillhtfu

cletus wrote: »

I've 5mm stainless, at 100-120mm length bending shouldn't really be an issue. I have a cheap pick set I got from Ali Express, and it's a 3mm shaft diameter.

Maybe I'll just make new handles for them and keep the working end

Are you guestimating, or do you actually have a set? If you have, I'll get some other critical measurements from you

100% guesstimation it'll be difficult to get the little bends in I'd imagine and then I guess the heat treating will harden it. 3mm seems very slim but then I guess if you thing of a dart which must be only 1.5mm and they're tough although usually tungsten.

I'll go 4mm based on nothing more than him screwing them in and relative size to fingers.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SsQ81DKA_Dk

cletus

iwillhtfu wrote: »

100% guesstimation it'll be difficult to get the little bends in I'd imagine and then I guess the heat treating will harden it. 3mm seems very slim but then I guess if you thing of a dart which must be only 1.5mm and they're tough although usually tungsten.

I have 5mm round bar in front of me now. Seems too thick to be honest. I'd imagine 4mm would be the max useable diameter.

Problem is, turning down stock that thin on a lathe is really tricky.

Don't think the bends would be too difficult at that size, tbh

iwillhtfu

cletus wrote: »

I have 5mm round bar in front of me now. Seems too thick to be honest. I'd imagine 4mm would be the max useable diameter.

Problem is, turning down stock that thin on a lathe is really tricky.

Don't think the bends would be too difficult at that size, tbh

yeah true, they're a nice little set though. Make two and I'll be your crash test dummy

Wishbone Ash

What are they generally used for lads? Presumably not specifically cycling related?

(I see them regularly in TK Maxx for a few Euro).

cletus

General poking and prodding, lifting o-rings and seals etc.

I have a cheap set, and they work fine. I like the look of the hex handle on the Park Tools ones, which is what I'm hoping to replicate. I also like the idea of the magnet in the handle.

cletus

Here's a quick dimensional drawing, in case anyone else feels like giving this a go too.

Tony04

Are you including the magnet in your version? You might aswell start your own tool company...
Teng tools do something very similar to park which i use for cheaper

Wishbone Ash wrote: »

What are they generally used for lads? Presumably not specifically cycling related?

(I see them regularly in TK Maxx for a few Euro).

Only use them on the bike very handy for picking it cables with internal routing etc.
And also very handy for servicing cup and cone bearings, pick them out and then put them back in with the magnet.
Seem to be used a good bit in car repairs

cletus

I think I'll include a magnet all right. I'll order some from Ali.

The straight pick is great for opening brake and shifter cable up after you cut it

cletus

Tony04 wrote: »

Teng tools do something very similar to park which i use for cheaper

If you have a calipers, would you be able to measure shaft dimensions?

hesker

I have a set with blue handles. Probably Draper.

3.5mm diameter

cletus

Appreciate that, Hesker

hesker

You’re welcome.

Mine don’t appear to be as long as the Park ones in both handle and shaft length

07Lapierre

It’s 4mm

https://www.dropbox.com/s/c7rbjgcn7qqwdo8/Park2.JPG?dl=0

https://www.dropbox.com/s/lyvwbwoco6xt1wc/Park.JPG?dl=0

cletus

Fair play lapiere. Very much appreciated

@hesker: in fairness, my measurements were based on the length given on the park tool website. I then blew up the picture on the laptop screen to that length, and took all the other measurements from there. The diameter from that was 4mm, but nice to have it empirically confirmed too.

07Lapierre

Looking at it closer, the park tool pick looks like it tapers from 4mm at the handle, down to 3.5 or so at the tip.

triggermortis

I have a cheap set and they're just under 4mm diameter but they do what I need them to. I've no magnetic parts on them and don't really need that. I clean my chain in a bottle of diesel and use a magnetic pick up tool to fish the quick link out of the bottle that I use

cletus

I have a cheap set too, and they're more than adequate.

I like to make things, have a project or two going, and this is just one of them.

I'm also planning on making the park tool wheel holder.

07lapiere, would I be really pushing it to ask you to check if the other dimensions I came up with were even ballpark correct?

07Lapierre

Yeah no worries... I’ll take a few photos tomorrow and post them

CianRyan

I find park to be nearly as bad as SnapOn tools (I love SnapOn but I wouldn't spend the money for home use), you'll find really high quality tools for a fraction of the price here, I've been buying from these for years as a main dealer car mechanic. Lifetime warranty to boot.

https://www.munstertoolco.ie/product-category/hand-tools/hook-and-pick-set/

cletus

Thanks Cian. I agree re. Park Tools and Snap on, particularly for home gamers like myself.

The reality is, the cheap set I already have would be absolutely acceptable. Really, I just wanted to see could I make a set, and the Park Tools set looked the nicest.

I've got my hands on some 10mm hex bar in brass, think it'll make a nice handle, and I've ordered a set of neodymium magnets from Ali (so they'll probably be here next year).

It's a project to keep myself busy

CianRyan

If you're getting into the business of making brass handled hand tools please DM me as I'll buy everything.

The only thing I'd say in the materials is that stainless want last against heavy use, if you can get high carbon steel it will be much nicer and can be polished and finished just as well, you'll just need to treat it or keep them dry.

cletus

CianRyan wrote: »

If you're getting into the business of making brass handled hand tools please DM me as I'll buy everything.

The only thing I'd say in the materials is that stainless want last against heavy use, if you can get high carbon steel it will be much nicer and can be polished and finished just as well, you'll just need to treat it or keep them dry.

It's a case of working with what I have. The other option is mild steel and heat treat it. Alternatively, I could tap the handle and thread the shaft, so they're replaceable m

The reality is, regardless of the material, it won't be getting anything near hard or heavy use, it'll literally be used for the likes of ball bearings and o rings.

Regrettably, I won't be in the position to wholesale them

07Lapierre

Apologies... not great photos...your drawing/measurements look pretty accurate.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/nzpsdvz1tywsczd/IMG_1810.JPG?dl=0

https://www.dropbox.com/s/p5hhg374gs299hv/Park3.JPG?dl=0
Shank length:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/o9ajiazarpuvppp/Park31.JPG?dl=0


https://www.dropbox.com/s/umm31vzuojyio8j/Park4.JPG?dl=0

cletus

07Lapierre wrote: »

Apologies... not great photos...your drawing/measurements look pretty accurate.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/nzpsdvz1tywsczd/IMG_1810.JPG?dl=0

https://www.dropbox.com/s/p5hhg374gs299hv/Park3.JPG?dl=0
Shank length:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/o9ajiazarpuvppp/Park31.JPG?dl=0


https://www.dropbox.com/s/umm31vzuojyio8j/Park4.JPG?dl=0

That's brilliant lapiere, great to be vindicated

cletus

Just a quick update for anybody who might be interested, got the handles made today

magicbastarder

them's posh looking pencils.

cletus

magicbastarder wrote: »

them's posh looking pencils.

They're a fücker to pare, but

magicbastarder

what sort of metal is that? mild steel?

cletus

magicbastarder wrote: »

what sort of metal is that? mild steel?

Brass

cletus

First blank cut and test fitted. Still needs to be shaped and polished

CianRyan

This is looking lovely.
Will you be hand shaping or using a lathe?

cletus

CianRyan wrote: »

This is looking lovely.
Will you be hand shaping or using a lathe?

I'd imagine hand shaping. There's a fair amount of flex at 4mm. Even turning down from 5 to 4mm required incremental steps of about 15mm

CianRyan

cletus wrote: »

I'd imagine hand shaping. There's a fair amount of flex at 4mm. Even turning down from 5 to 4mm required incremental steps of about 15mm

I didn't consider the flex, that's substantial!

I have hand shaped a lot of broken picks, usually larger diameter, it's certainly not easy to get them symmetrical but then again I am a mechanic, not a fabricator.

cletus

CianRyan wrote: »

I didn't consider the flex, that's substantial!

I have hand shaped a lot of broken picks, usually larger diameter, it's certainly not easy to get them symmetrical but then again I am a mechanic, not a fabricator.

Well, I'm a PE and English teacher, so I'm as far removed from fabricating as you are

CianRyan

cletus wrote: »

Well, I'm a PE and English teacher, so I'm as far removed from fabricating as you are

Teachers are resourceful, I'm sure you'll get through this! Haha

8valve

Wishbone Ash wrote: »

What are they generally used for lads? Presumably not specifically cycling related?

(I see them regularly in TK Maxx for a few Euro).

Pulling internal cables out through ridiculously small frame holes, which some frame designer has decided is big enough.


Removing the inevitable broken cable end barrels from modern shifters when some non-mechanically-sympathethic cyclist just forces the shifter to shift, instead of checking what's causing poor shifting.


Carefully removing hydraulic brake O-rings...just before you drop them on the workshop floor.


Rounding the internal opening of gear cable housing nicely.


Stabbing yourself in the hand/leg/face, when you're not watching what you're doing. Can also be used to stab work colleagues when walking past, when neither of you are watching what you're doing.


Picking blackthorns out of pram tyres.....a daily occurrence if you work in a bike shop within 10 miles of a Greenway!


Making handy pilot holes in Rubber blanking frame plugs, when adding aftermarket dropper seat-posts.


Lots of other handy jobs.

LollipopJimmy

8valve wrote: »

Pulling internal cables out through ridiculously small frame holes, which some frame designer has decided is big enough.


Removing the inevitable broken cable end barrels from modern shifters when some non-mechanically-sympathethic cyclist just forces the shifter to shift, instead of checking what's causing poor shifting.


Carefully removing hydraulic brake O-rings...just before you drop them on the workshop floor.


Rounding the internal opening of gear cable housing nicely.


Stabbing yourself in the hand/leg/face, when you're not watching what you're doing. Can also be used to stab work colleagues when walking past, when neither of you are watching what you're doing.


Picking blackthorns out of pram tyres.....a daily occurrence if you work in a bike shop within 10 miles of a Greenway!


Making handy pilot holes in Rubber blanking frame plugs, when adding aftermarket dropper seat-posts.


Lots of other handy jobs.

They're the kind of thing you never know you need until you need them. I bought a Teng set in December myself, handy thing to have when rebuilding brake caliper.

And CianRyan don't be slagging off SnapOn, I'm.a bit of a fan :pac:

cletus

LollipopJimmy wrote: »

And CianRyan don't be slagging off SnapOn, I'm.a bit of a fan :pac:

I'd love to be able to afford to be a fan, but the bank turned down my last mortgage application

LollipopJimmy

cletus wrote: »

I'd love to be able to afford to be a fan, but the bank turned down my last mortgage application

I cant afford free stuff, doesn't stop me spending on stupid things though :pac:

CianRyan

I've spent enough of my hard earned wages on the SnapOn van to be able to give them a hard time. :pac:

cletus

CianRyan wrote: »

I've spent enough of my hard earned wages on the SnapOn van to be able to give them a hard time. :pac:

I'm far from a mechanic, but I do work on my own car (would've come across you in the motoring and DIY car maintenance forums Cian), and while I'd love to be able to afford a full selection of snap on sockets and spanners, for a home gamer, I reckon you can't beat the Halfords Advanced range (used to be Halfords Professional)

cletus

Turned the initial shape on the lathe.




Finished with a hand file. You can still see the file marks, so I'll have to hit it with various grades of sandpaper before I can polish it

07Lapierre

Looks good! How did you attach the shank to the handle? Are you going to harden it (heat treatment I assume?)?

cletus

07Lapierre wrote: »

Looks good! How did you attach the shank to the handle? Are you going to harden it (heat treatment I assume?)?

Interference fit. The diamater of the hole in the handle is the same as the diameter of the shank. I bevelled the leading edge to get it started, then hammered it home. Stainless steel doesn't take a hardeneing through heat treating, it work hardens. So I have to hope that the work I did on the point was sufficient. The reality is it's not going to get heavy use. If I can get my hands on some tool steel in the future, I might change them, as the joint is only mechanical

8valve

The big question (which no one seems to be asking) is....

When will all of our sets be ready?

:-)

LollipopJimmy

8valve wrote: »

The big question (which no one seems to be asking) is....

When will all of our sets be ready?

:-)

I had assumed the first one was for me

cletus

So, there's two questions that haven't been asked. Can I bend the shafts without snapping them, and how much brass stock can I take from the metalwork room before the teacher notices.

After that, I'll take orders...

07Lapierre

These picks have 100’s of uses. Last night I used it to remove a very stubborn cover of a bolt on the bathroom window!

Makes you wonder how you managed before you had them!