Relaxation of Restrictions, Part IX Read OP For Mod Warnings

Corby Trouser Press · 22-02-2021 10:51AM

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Social housing is been built.

Fair society ay?

Nothing should be restricted in relation to Construction.

Amazingly, in a phone conversation with a Cabinet Ministers assistant it was actually said to me could I not see if my builder could come and finish the job?!

No sorry, your boss is sitting around that Cabinet table making the legislation, it's not my job to work around your nonsense rules, it's your job to recognize the restrictions on construction as a mistaken panic measure, that have long since passed any point of being a useful public health intervention.

MINISTERS NEED FILTER THE ADVICE FROM NPHET THROUGH THE ECONOMIC AND SOCIAL REALITIES!!!

Windmill100000 · 22-02-2021 10:52AM

Idbatterim wrote: »

When they usually only get the fiver etc on top of the world class welfare each budget they are offended. It's over, there are no more welfare increases, generous ps pay increases on already over the top rates. It's all over...

Rte the media and nphet will be devastated when all of this ends...

Ok, we get it. You know how we are ALL going to feel.

Idbatterim · 22-02-2021 10:53AM

Corby Trouser Press wrote: »

Nothing should be restricted in relation to Construction.

Amazingly, in a phone conversation with a Cabinet Ministers assistant it was actually said to me could I not see if my builder could come and finish the job?!

No sorry, your boss is sitting around that Cabinet table making the legislation, it's not my job to work around your nonsense rules, it's your job to recognize the restrictions on construction as a mistaken panic measure, that have long since passed any point of being a useful public health intervention.

MINISTERS NEED FILTER THE ADVICE FROM NPHET THROUGH THE ECONOMIC AND SOCIAL REALITIES!!!

If the numbers were higher, due to construction bring open. The vulnerable would just shield more the way it should be...

Boggles · 22-02-2021 10:53AM

Corby Trouser Press wrote: »

Under the legislation as it stands private housing was allowed continue from 11th Jan to end of Jan only if it was at final completion stage.

Social housing the same but to the end of Feb.

Other big projects exempt as outlined before.

Any works going on in contravention of this are irrelevant.

The legislation is in place and no easing in sight.

I don't really care if lads are working away on jobs that are supposed to be closed down, that's up to them.

Re Early May see below from the journal dot ie;

"Beyond the reopening of schools, no major easing of restrictions is expected until May."

...

"Construction and retail are likely to be the first industries allowed to reopen once the spread of Covid-19 slows"

So there is houses been built and the rest of construction after schools is first on the list to open?

22-02-2021 10:56AM

Boggles wrote: »

So there is houses been built and the rest of construction after schools is first on the list to open?

No no no boggles. The thread has decided it know exactly what the government want to do in spite of it being well flagged that construction will be one of the first restriction eased after schools

Corby Trouser Press · 22-02-2021 10:58AM

Boggles wrote: »

So there is houses been built and the rest of construction after schools is first on the list to open?

Yes, social housing on a limited basis till the end of this week.

Officially speaking from next Monday 1st of March no works can continue on housing in Ireland.

That's where were at.

22-02-2021 11:08AM

Idbatterim wrote: »

Imagine you could fast forward to the budget tomorrow, but based on where the figures will be in September or October of this year, the clappy seals would change their tune pretty quickly when it hits them in the pockets, like it has hundreds of thousands of others

And yet here we have a mindless procession of thanks to a post sharing data from a TD that is obviously incorrect to anyone who pays attention to anything

billybonkers · 22-02-2021 11:08AM

Corby Trouser Press wrote: »

Yes, social housing on a limited basis till the end of this week.

Officially speaking from next Monday 1st of March no works can continue on housing in Ireland.

That's where were at.

But when can I get a builder in to do my extension?

Boggles · 22-02-2021 11:14AM

Corby Trouser Press wrote: »

Yes, social housing on a limited basis till the end of this week.

Officially speaking from next Monday 1st of March no works can continue on housing in Ireland.

That's where were at.

Of course they can, it's up to the discretion of LA's. Any legislation can be also extended at the stroke of a pen.

You do have a point to be made, but you can do it honestly. They don't have to be mutually exclusive.

I gather from your posts your a frustrated self builder?

That is a tough situation to be in. I sympathize.

Did it ever occur to you though, that your builder could be using the restrictions to catch up on other work?

It's the nature of the business with these firms, they constantly stretch themselves and are constantly under pressure.

Captain_Crash · 22-02-2021 11:16AM

Corby Trouser Press wrote: »

Yes, social housing on a limited basis till the end of this week.

Officially speaking from next Monday 1st of March no works can continue on housing in Ireland.

That's where were at.

So it’s true to say that despite case numbers falling, things are getting more restrictive??

paw patrol · 22-02-2021 11:17AM

billybonkers wrote: »

But when can I get a builder in to do my extension?

if you deem it essential they can do it now.

pick one

https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/2dc71-level-5/#construction

malinheader · 22-02-2021 11:26AM

Mandatory hotel quarantine still 3 or 4 weeks away for anyone entering the country. Nice to see them acting quickly.

Corby Trouser Press · 22-02-2021 11:27AM

Boggles wrote: »

Of course they can, it's up to the discretion of LA's. Any legislation can be also extended at the stroke of a pen.

You do have a point to be made, but you can do it honestly. They don't have to be mutually exclusive.

I gather from your posts your a frustrated self builder?

That is a tough situation to be in. I sympathize.

Did it ever occur to you though, that your builder could be using the restrictions to catch up on other work?

It's the nature of the business with these firms, they constantly stretch themselves and are constantly under pressure.

1) Dishonest am I?

Nothing tells me construction restrictions will lift before end of April from that frontpage of the journal dot ie article.

You may interpret it differently.

2) Doubt he has much else on.

Anytime I ring him now he answers straight away, during normal times it would be 2 missed calls and a text before he'd ring me back :pac:

If we had a site meeting his phone would ring 3 or 4 times in a half hr period.

He just sounds depressed at this stage, much like my friends working in the industry at home on €350 a week.

Windmill100000 · 22-02-2021 11:27AM

It's surprising the amount of people that do not know about the exemptions and claim everything is shut down. That list has been out since we went into lockdown. I suppose for some it doesn't suit the narrative to acknowledge such things.

Corby Trouser Press · 22-02-2021 11:29AM

paw patrol wrote: »

if you deem it essential they can do it now.

pick one

https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/2dc71-level-5/#construction

I think that guy was looking for an honest answer?

If only I could deem my house an...
"essential health and related projects including those relevant to preventing, limiting, minimising or slowing the spread of COVID-19"

22-02-2021 11:31AM

Windmill100000 wrote: »

It's surprising the amount of people that do not know about the exemptions and claim everything is shut down. That list has been out since we went into lockdown. I suppose for some it doesn't suit the narrative to acknowledge such things.

Its almost as if some just spend their time fulminating in the internet, and don't actually live in the real world

Corby Trouser Press · 22-02-2021 11:32AM

Windmill100000 wrote: »

It's surprising the amount of people that do not know about the exemptions and claim everything is shut down. That list has been out since we went into lockdown. I suppose for some it doesn't suit the narrative to acknowledge such things.

You referring to me?

I am well aware of them and have been from whenever this shítshow started on Jan 6th.

The reality is it is an extraordinarily restrictive list.

I individual builders are adhering to it or not is another matter.

Windmill100000 · 22-02-2021 11:34AM

Corby Trouser Press wrote: »

You referring to me?

I am well aware of them and have been from whenever this shítshow started on Jan 6th.

The reality is it is an extraordinarily restrictive list.

I individual builders are adhering to it or not is another matter.

I'm referring to the poster asking if they can get an extension now (if in fact that were actually being legitimate).

Corby Trouser Press · 22-02-2021 11:35AM

Windmill100000 wrote: »

I'm referring to the poster asking if they can get an extension now (if in fact that were actually being legitimate).

Ok, my bad

Windmill100000 · 22-02-2021 11:38AM

The list is restrictive because we are in level 5. When the country saw huge rises in cases in Jan it was deemed essential to shut many industries down. At the time we had the virus spreading faster than anywhere in Europe. Had that not been the case things would have been different.

Necro · 22-02-2021 11:43AM

Mod:

Silentcorner's threadban lifted after discussion with poster

ypres5 · 22-02-2021 11:50AM

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/revealed-tds-in-line-for-pay-rise-to-push-their-wages-back-over-100000-40116383.html

good to see the lads in the dail are taking care of themselves regardless of the state of the economy they've really earned their little raise

TheDoctor · 22-02-2021 11:53AM

ypres5 wrote: »

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/revealed-tds-in-line-for-pay-rise-to-push-their-wages-back-over-100000-40116383.html

good to see the lads in the dail are taking care of themselves regardless of the state of the economy they've really earned their little raise

Bless them, times are tough, well earned

ypres5 · 22-02-2021 11:54AM

TheDoctor wrote: »

Bless them, times are tough, well earned

when they say they understand what the public are going through they really mean it don't they?

Corby Trouser Press · 22-02-2021 11:55AM

Construction Industry Restrictions

Jan 11th 2021 - ???

International Comparison

-To the best of my knowledge, we are the only country in Europe to restrict our Construction Industry in 2021.

How does the continued restriction of the Construction Industry tie in with assessment of Minister Darragh O’Brien that the sector accounted for just 0.6% of outbreaks in the period August to December 2020?

Is this figure at an unacceptably high level and how does it compare with data from around Europe where building works continue unhindered?

Industry Comparison

-Construction workers are required to physically attend to carry out their duties and generally do not interact with the public in their workplace.

As far as I am aware, they are the only workers in these circumstances who have been restricted from working.

When compared to factory workers or warehouse operatives for example they have been uniquely singled out in being prevented from attending.

Other than the rather vague reasoning of restricting the movement of people, was there any risk assessment data presented to Cabinet with regard to Construction workers going to sites and Covid-19 transmission?

Provision of Housing

-Large scale projects meeting certain criteria have been allowed continue while supply of housing has been largely shutdown.

How would a continued restriction on house building projects (an estimated 17k of which are on pause at the moment) beyond the 5th of March impact on housing delivery in 2021 and beyond?”

Klonker · 22-02-2021 11:58AM

Windmill100000 wrote: »

The list is restrictive because we are in level 5. When the country saw huge rises in cases in Jan it was deemed essential to shut many industries down. At the time we had the virus spreading faster than anywhere in Europe. Had that not been the case things would have been different.

And now we don't have one of the highest rates in Europe, yet we are the only country to have construction closed for non essential and by the sounds of it that will continue to be the case until at least April.

And I have a good idea why they are delaying opening it, its so they drag out the overall reopening and hoping the drip feed will keep us happy. Giving us token easing of restrictions every 2 to 3 weeks and thinking we are too stupid to see what they are doing. What's the chances of our reopening looking something like the below:

Early March - some classes go back to school
Late March - rest of primary school go back
Early April - rest of secondary and creches go back
Late April - opening of construction
Early May - can meet up to 2 other people outside for non exercise reasons.

All of the above should be in place as of today. It'll be late May before we get to any proper easing of restrictions. I can't see pubs opening until September if at all this year.

Corby Trouser Press · 22-02-2021 12:01PM

Corby Trouser Press wrote: »

Construction Industry Restrictions

Jan 11th 2021 - ???

International Comparison

-To the best of my knowledge, we are the only country in Europe to restrict our Construction Industry in 2021.

How does the continued restriction of the Construction Industry tie in with assessment of Minister Darragh O’Brien that the sector accounted for just 0.6% of outbreaks in the period August to December 2020?

Is this figure at an unacceptably high level and how does it compare with data from around Europe where building works continue unhindered?

Industry Comparison

-Construction workers are required to physically attend to carry out their duties and generally do not interact with the public in their workplace.

As far as I am aware, they are the only workers in these circumstances who have been restricted from working.

When compared to factory workers or warehouse operatives for example they have been uniquely singled out in being prevented from attending.

Other than the rather vague reasoning of restricting the movement of people, was there any risk assessment data presented to Cabinet with regard to Construction workers going to sites and Covid-19 transmission?

Provision of Housing

-Large scale projects meeting certain criteria have been allowed continue while supply of housing has been largely shutdown.

How would a continued restriction on house building projects (an estimated 17k of which are on pause at the moment) beyond the 5th of March impact on housing delivery in 2021 and beyond?”

See above copy of an email I have sent to all TD's.

Limited replies from TD's, nothing specific except to say construction will be "prioritized" upon reopening of economy.

I am sure our resident pedants will feast upon it with vague points of reply but no one is able to address the fundamentals.

We were high on the list for a few days in January so panicked and restricted the industry, not just a little bit but a lot and we are damn sure gonna double down now.

House building has been deemed non-essential and non-essential it shall remain till God knows when.

uli84 · 22-02-2021 12:10PM

Right now, after a year, those restrictions are nothing but laughable. In Poland right now concerts are going ahead (with limited audience i’d imagine) and life pretty much goes on. Shock horror-they had 7000 cases yesterday. I can’t even imagine that here, forget about it actually happening, that’s how bad it is, even though the numbers are smaller. The general public seems to be happy sitting at home indefinitely at 5km leash, well, good luck with that n enjoy

Graham · 22-02-2021 12:10PM

Corby Trouser Press wrote: »

We were high on the list for a few days in January so panicked and restricted the industry, not just a little bit but a lot and we are damn sure gonna double down now.

Translated:

We had some of the highest infection rates in the world and responded by restricting movement to get case numbers back under control.

copeyhagen · 22-02-2021 12:13PM

Graham wrote: »

Translated:

We had some of the highest infection rates in the world and responded by restricting movement to get case numbers back under control.

why are we closed now then when a lot of Europe has openend most industries back up?!

the Spanish dont say "ok, we wil lreview it in 6 months" and dripfeed bad fear to the papers.

they literally just said last Friday "ok, open up if you want"

thats how you do it, not this sh1te were putting up with.

xmas was manic because they had us shut up while every other Country was open

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