We landed on Mars... again? [Mod note post #1]

robinph · 30-07-2021 9:01am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117680970#Comment_117680970

"Scientists from hundreds of years ago may have got some things wrong shocker!!!"

In other news, and back onto the topic of the thread, where do the rockets go when they disappear through the clouds on the way to the ISS if the ISS isn't there?

ohnonotgmail · 30-07-2021 9:09am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117680966#Comment_117680966

there is no point discussing anything who gets things so wrong. Oddly enough von gumpach had a very similar writing style to yours. He was also very aggressive and rude to those who disagreed with him.

astrofool · 30-07-2021 10:34am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117680966#Comment_117680966

C'mon Markus, get some confidence and show us, in image form, the shape that you think the earth is.

Remember:

Doesn't need to be the actual Earth

Can be approximate

You don't need to go onto rants about scientists

Dohnjoe · 30-07-2021 11:36am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117680970#Comment_117680970

As long as you don't break any rules, you can write whatever you want here, make up whatever you want.

It's all completely meaningless unless you can demonstrate it to others and provide credible evidence. You haven't done either, you made all sorts of extreme claims, made no effort to back them up, evaded questions. By definition you're the fraudster here.

Hotblack Desiato · 30-07-2021 11:38am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117680970#Comment_117680970

That's a slur, not an answer, so I must conclude that you cannot answer.

Markus Antonius · 30-07-2021 4:21pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117682130#Comment_117682130

You asked:

"Why do you think Newton's theories of orbital mechanics have anything to do with the shape of the earth not being a perfect sphere?"

I never made any link between orbital mechanics and the earth not being a perfect sphere. Why would I answer?

Dohnjoe · 30-07-2021 4:28pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117683698#Comment_117683698

You are taking questions now or no?

Are satellites real?

Is the Earth a globe?

Is the ISS real?

astrofool · 30-07-2021 7:01pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117683724#Comment_117683724

Markus is too afraid to show us what approximate shape the Earth is, those questions will never be answered.

They also do this really weird thing of replying multiple times to a question, then saying "I never said that", caught twice now in the past few pages.

Hotblack Desiato · 30-07-2021 10:07pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117683698#Comment_117683698

So why make a nonsensical claim that Newton was responsible for the deaths of thousands of seafarers? It's complete rubbish.

King Mob · 30-07-2021 11:48pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117685043#Comment_117685043

Cause he's desperate to make a point, any point to deflect from how much running away and ignoring he's had to do on this thread.

If he was a troll he'd be spewing out ridiculous point after ridiculous point and wouldn't be passing up the opportunity to respond to points with more ridiculous claims.

However he keeps avoiding the things that he can't provide an honest answer to and seems to be getting very annoyed that no one is taking him seriously. To me this tells me that he's genuine, but like most conspiracy theorists isn't very honest or well informed.

I think he is a flat earther or a geogentrist or something ridiculous. But he has learned that people dismiss him and mock him when he's open about his beliefs.

However when he leaves things vague and "just asks questions" he find that he can trip up some people or fools himself into believing that no one can counter his questions. This allows him to pretend to be clever and well informed.

The issue here is that he's run into people who've got a baseline knowledge of science and space and who want him to elaborate on his beliefs. This is obviously an issue for him.

dePeatrick · 10-08-2021 1:22am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117661327#Comment_117661327

That’s a bit disingenuous, he never claimed that at all. People here putting words in his mouth,

King Mob · 10-08-2021 1:38am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117731316#Comment_117731316

Then you clearly have not read this thread.

Throughtout this thread Marky there has claimed that every spaceflight he has pointed to is faked. Including the latest private flights, Space X's flights and the entire ISS. He also has contented that all Mars missions and LEO missions are also faked. He has claimed the moon missions were faked.

We've repeatedly asked him to clarify what he actually believes and asked several times which spaceflights he believes are real. He has not answered.

So if you are now contenting that this isn't what he believes, could you explain which spaceflights he believes are real?

dePeatrick · 10-08-2021 1:59am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117731328#Comment_117731328

I read three pages of it and everything He stated was twisted to mean something else. He laughed at Musk and Bezos going 80 and 100 km up and calling it space, It’s not really is it? I have a sneaking regard for Musk but what he said about two rich guys showing off strikes me as true. He is right about the earth not being a perfect sphere, it’s far from it. He is obviously intelligent and educated albeit with an unusual way of communication. Why ridicule him?

King Mob · 10-08-2021 2:05am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117731348#Comment_117731348

As I've said, you haven't read the thread properly. Maybe you should do so before commenting.

He has repeated claimed that may spaceflights are faked. In particular he has claimed that the latest landers on Mars are all being faked.

Do you believe that any spaceflights are faked?

He is not being ridiculed. People are pointing out that his beliefs seem to be very contradictory and very silly and people are pointing out that his behaviour is very dishonest.

Do you believe it is acceptable to ignore points because you can't answer them?

King Mob · 10-08-2021 2:08am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117317529#Comment_117317529

Just for reference: an example of Marky claiming that spaceflight is being faked for reasons unknown.

Quantum Erasure · 10-08-2021 2:08am

He is right about the earth not being a perfect sphere,

he thinks its a prolate (elongated) spheroid, rather than an oblate (flattened) spheroid...

Dohnjoe · 10-08-2021 9:28am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117731316#Comment_117731316

After a lot of dancing around, the poster directly claimed they believed the space program is fake. You need to read the thread (it's around half-way through)

Hotblack Desiato · 10-08-2021 11:16am

A few years back I had to realign our satellite dish.

Very strange how they've been able to fake microwave signals carrying hundreds of real TV and radio channels and get them to come from the precise spot in the sky that - if space programmes were real and satellites existed - a geostationary satellite at 28.2 degrees east of south would be. I've no idea how they fake that.

King Mob · 10-08-2021 11:44am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117732279#Comment_117732279

Most flat earthers are pretty young, so they grew up with the internet rather than radio or satellite TV.

How they explain how mobile phones work... who knows?

Dohnjoe · 10-08-2021 11:49am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117732432#Comment_117732432

Mobile phone towers

dePeatrick · 10-09-2021 7:14pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117731781#Comment_117731781

Ok, I’ve read enough of it to see that he does not believe for what ever reason that Space flight exists…

Dohnjoe · 10-09-2021 11:04pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117873866#Comment_117873866

And attacks posters who ask questions, and soapboxes about how stupid everyone else is, and plays the victim, and wants a safe space, and lectures posters about the "truth". It's the usual package.

ohnonotgmail · 14-09-2021 10:17am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117874853#Comment_117874853

He also claimed that Newton got his physics wrong. Yeah, that Newton.

Hotblack Desiato · 15-09-2021 12:55pm

...and claimed that Newton is somehow responsible for the deaths of thousands of seafarers, but ran away when asked to explain how or why

TomSweeney · 16-09-2021 2:13pm

Christ, this thread.

A Thesis could be written on it, OP I haven't gone through it all but you say the pics are like a camera used in your grandparents wedding ..

That;s pretty good resolution, more available below.

https://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/msl/images/index.html

You should contact RTE history if you have such high res. pics of your grandparents wedding, they'd love it ..Joe Duffy would do 3 weeks of Lahvline on it ...

astrofool · 16-09-2021 2:29pm

4 citizen astronauts are currently orbiting the earth globe every 90 minutes and will continue for 3 days.

Markus, start saving now and you could be one of them as well in the near future.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117899470#Comment_117899470

I thought the picture of the martian moon by perseverance was kind of cool, it's really trolling the OP that not only are we visiting other oblate spheres in our solar system but taking pictures of the orbiting moons of those oblate spheres, all using Newtonian physics!