Flat Earthers generally believe that there's no such thing as the South Pole and that Antarctica is really just a giant ice wall that encircles the disc of Earth.
So Marky here claiming that all Antarctic expeditions are also fake is very much in line with flat earth beliefs.
Haven't heard if Flat Earthers have any specific beliefs about Everest, but I'm sure they believe something wacky.
He still hasn't told us what happened to those "thousands" of seafarers "killed" because of Newton's theories...
Bring back the :pac: !
Bezos now seeking to go to the moon in 2024!
Why 2024 and not right this instant? It took the US less than a decade to allegedly go to the moon with the crude equipment and technology they had in the 1960s and that was without the benefit of knowing if it was even possible. Why will it take them 3 years to do something that was done repeatedly with 100% success over 50 years ago? The questions that keep me up at night!
Also, why does he need NASA to get him there? Surely he could do this himself without the help? Not sure how much help NASA would be anyway - they lost all the technology to go to the moon years ago along with endless amounts of high definition footage. Why would Bezos trust such a bunch of clumsy little rattlesnakes?
Clueless, absolutely clueless.
Yes, thousands upon thousands of sailors lost at sea (along with millions worth of ships and cargo) lost due to ships being 20+km out of reckoning and ending up on the rocks, (sometimes even in broad daylight) mostly in the southern hemisphere due to the fact that they were so inebriated by the infallible Newton and his incorrect assumptions that the earth is an almost perfect sphere with slight compression at the poles.
This being completely contrary to the pendulum experiments of Von Gumpach who contested this and many of the phony astronomers of the mid 19th century with stone hard data and concluded that the earth is slightly elongated at the poles with a widening below the equator, or an oblate spheroid or 'pear shaped' as Neil DeAss Tyson calls it. All easily verifiable by NASA and their magical spaceships and telescopes but, alas, they downright refuse to.
Do you have an example image of this shape? (as you imagine it looks of course)
I'd also be (genuinely) interested in sources for the seafarers who went off course due to Newton.
You'd think they could rely on their eye sight to avoid rocks and not need Newton.
So you ate again going on mad rants with no evidence or reasoning with no intention of defending any of your claims or answering any questions. All while you continue to ignore all previous questions that you cannot answer.
Pure cowardice and dishonesty.
And to top it all off you keep intentionally misspelling Neil Degrasse Tyson's name. I'm not sure why you're doing that as it only serves to make you look extremely childish as well as cowardly and dishonest.
And again you are asking questions that we have answered for you previously on this thread. You have ignored them because you can't counter them.
There are no sources for shipwrecks that explicitly state that it was "due to Newton", it was due to their poor navigation assumptions based on Newton's error-filled theories (and his blindly-following astronomers). It is well known that there were many shipwrecks in the 1700s and 1800s due to poor navigation most often when they get blown of course and have to rely on sextants/constellations for navigation.
Submerged rocks and sandbanks due to being too near to coastlines. You don't see them until you hit them
So no you have no examples or sources for your weird claims.
You should have just said that.
And your earth shape image? Can be approximate if you want.
There is no image, that's the point! My first argument in this thread a few pages back was about the complete lack of photographs of the entire earth. I claimed there is only one official, others claimed there were millions but could only link 5 or 6 clearly faked composites.
NASA could settle any and every debate that has plagued researchers for millennia (pre the fake space race of the 1950s and 60s) but they choose not to! Because why? It's not that important? They don't feel like it?
But that's not true. Now on top of your constant dodging you are outright lying.
You were provided with many examples of what you asked for. Repeatedly.
Why are you lying?
Who do you think is going to buy this latest lie of yours?
But since you are going to dodge these questions because they are to difficult for you, perhaps you'd like to just have a rant about your beliefs.
Please explain what you believe is the true shape of the earth?
I'd just like to knon where they think the rockets go after launch. Thousands of people see them go up into the sky, but they don't then go into orbit according to Markus Antonius. What happens next?
Where do they go in between the launch and those people who were seen getting on board the top of the rocket then appearing on live streams from the ISS or whatever destination that they think is being faked using a film studo in the back of a plane carrying out parabolic flights... But nobody has ever noticed these planes doing flights for hours on end to allow for the live streaming footage.
Newton said it was an oblate spheroid. Von Grumpach said it wasn't. Von Grumpach was wrong. The earth is an oblate spheroid.
Isaac Newton first proposed that Earth was not perfectly round. Instead, he suggested it was an oblate spheroid—a sphere that is squashed at its poles and swollen at the equator. He was correct and, because of this bulge, the distance from Earth's center to sea level is roughly 21 kilometers (13 miles) greater at the equator than at the poles
I now want to know how far off that would mess with your navigation calculations which you are doing based on looking at stars if you were working things out based on a perfect sphere or not?
Presumably not by very much, and would guess that the error would cancel itself out when at equivalent distances from the equator. So if you come up with your sphere calculations from somewhere in Europe then your going to be just fine sailing across to the Americas, and fine again when sailing around the bottom of Africa, South America and Australia, just have to be a bit careful around the equator...but how far exactly did it throw those ships off course, and there must also be a load of shipwrecks around the equator which can be shown as evidence for how badly wrong Newton apparently got things.
Over to you Markus.
The more interesting point is that markus doesnt even under what von gumpach claimed. He thinks von gumpech claimed that the earth was an oblate spheroid. He didn't. Von gumpach claimed that the earth was elongated at the poles. this is clearly wrong.
the difference is 21 KM. given the circumference of the earth is 40,075KM that is a difference of 0.05%. That is much less than the accuracy of navigation available at the time he lived. If ships ships were crashing into rocks it wasn't because of any miscalculation of the shape of the earth.
This is another lie
You claimed there weren't images, there are.
You then claimed those images are fake, they aren't.
Again, over to you. Keep dodging questions and lying or engage in normal discussion? I don't have much hope for the latter.
I didn't say it needed to be of the earth (and go on a weird rant), just the shape you think it is. If someone gave you a piece of paper and said "draw the earth" what would you draw (in image form approximately).
The conspiracy arguments in this thread are very weird, even for this forum.
what arguments? none have been presented. Just one user telling us that science is wrong and he knows best.
"It took the US less than a decade to allegedly go to the moon..."
You don't think the US went to the moon?
Marky has claimed that *all* space missions are fake.
He has not explained how he knows this, why they are faked or how they are faked.
Our best guess is that he is a flat earther who knows that being honest about his beliefs would get him laughed out of the forum.
Wow that's even more bizarre than I was expecting.
Why do you think Newton's theories of orbital mechanics have anything to do with the shape of the earth not being a perfect sphere?
Oh and Von Grumpach was a crank and a convicted fraudster.
Also, why 80km or 100km counts as being space must have some bizarre and contrary reason from the fraudster space agencies. I'm sure they have a hilarious rationale for these altitudes...
As regards the 80km / 100km limits, these are somewhat arbitrary. See below for an excerpt from National Geographic (https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/article/where-is-the-edge-of-space-and-what-is-the-karman-line)
... most experts say that space starts at the point where orbital dynamic forces become more important than aerodynamic forces,
or where the atmosphere alone is not enough to support a flying vessel at suborbital speeds
fraudster space agencies
I presume you're referring to NASA and ESA, etc? Why do you call them "fraudsters"?
That's completely false. Von Gumpach clearly stated that the earth was an oblate-spheroid with elongation at the poles. Yet another person who wants to mold history to suit his little fantasy. He also proved Newton completely wrong in his false claim that gravity is strongest at the earth's surface and that plumblines will always be perpendicular to the surface rather than towards the earth's center of gravity.
Newton, your and NASA's lord and Savior was a sour and uninspiring shut-in who plagiarised much of his work from greater minds before him
More claims without any evidence or basis. All while still ignore every question and point put to you.
You're essentially making things up now because you're unable to actually defend your position.
It's baffling that you think anyone is going to be fooled by this.