Buying next to Social House MOD WARNING POST #118

Jinglejangle69

oceanman wrote: »

what planet are you living on?...

"Homeless families are spending an average of less than six months in hubs, according to housing charity Respond"


https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-30882278.html%3ftype=amp

Jinglejangle69

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Almost all families in hostels over 9 months have declined an offer

The posters timeline are woefully optimistic, but the hotel for uears crowd are not a good anecdote to rebut that

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-30882278.html%3ftype=amp

Gatling

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

"Homeless families are spending an average of less than six months in hubs, according to housing charity Respond"

But there not going into social housing they are being housed using Hap payments ,
You don't get a council house automatically for being homeless for 6 months

oceanman

Nika Bolokov wrote: »

Dont buy.

Shouldn't have to have even a sliver of doubt in your mind if your spending 500k on a house.

there is always a doubt, what happens if your neighbour decides to become a landlord? no way of knowing or controlling who he will rent the house to.

Jinglejangle69

Gatling wrote: »

But there not going into social housing they are being housed using Hap payments ,
You don't get a council house automatically for being homeless for 6 months

Are you 100% on that?

How long did it take Erica Fleming to get her forever home? I think she was a year and a half after she refused 2 until she got it.

Ok, my advice for the op or anyone making an investment of any kind is that you should always do your research and minimise the risk to the potential value of that investment.

Gatling

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Are you 100% on that?

How long did it take Erica Fleming to get her forever home?

After what number of years on the list and several hotels yes .

But not you do not automatically get social housing after 6 months homeless

Erica Fleming was 8 years waiting to be housed in total, the last 22 months were spent in a hotel after losing the place she'd be renting privately due to rising rent costs.

(eta) The two "refusals" she made were for privately rented apartments on HAP.

Grant Stevens

Gatling wrote: »

Social tenants pay taxes too (shocking isn't) unlike our recently registered posters

I never said they didn't

FromADistance

Between county councils and property funds (for the next rental cash cow - HAP) buying every new house they can get their hands on, one would need to have their eyes wide open buying in a new estate. Fair play to the OP for pulling out....spending half a million should not come with any doubt about who lives around you

cgcsb

Gatling wrote: »

100% social has never worked

It worked very well between 1920 and circa 1980. Lots of reasons for this but in a nutshell;

-contraception and education were either impossible to obtain or prohibitively expensive, meaning a much larger % of the population needed social housing.

-hard drugs arrived en masse in the 80s. Fine for the rich people to indulge and still function, but these absolutely decimated the working class and the areas they lived in.

-an awful lot more people were poor, like really poor, genuinely unable to buy food type of poor. Not the mickey mouse modern 'at risk of poverty' type of poor that gets NGOs all excited. Meaning a lot more people of all persuasions were in social housing

-single parenthood was simply not acceptable in those days

-the welfare state eventually grew to a point of quite ridiculous generosity. At one point circa 2005, working a min wage job for 40 hours a week would get you only a tenner more a week than the job seekers. If you had no education for whatever reason, you'd be a right eejit to put in such labour for an extra 10er a week, and probably spend more than that commuting. Thankfully that is changed now and full time min wage work gets you double the job seekers.

oceanman

FromADistance wrote: »

Between county councils and property funds (for the next rental cash cow - HAP) buying every new house they can get their hands on, one would need to have their eyes wide open buying in a new estate. Fair play to the OP for pulling out....spending half a million should not come with any doubt about who lives around you

how would you know who lives around you....the house next door could be rented out to anyone. even social tenants:eek:

FromADistance

oceanman wrote: »

how would you know who lives around you....the house next door could be rented out to anyone. even social tenants:eek:

Talk to people in the estate. Quality of cars on the driveway. Check the property price register for 'gaps' (council houses won't be listed), Word 'on the street' and so on and so on..

You can never do enough research when it comes to your forever home. Don't be a fool and mitigate the risk. Your future happiness depends on it.

Lmkrnr

The council could buy a house in any estate if the housing needs of the area are not met. 10% of any new builds are social housing and that could be added to if the council purchase more.

riclad

Say a tenant dies, if the children are not on the housing list, the council can simply ask them to leave by a certain date,
theres no automatic transfer process ,.
my experience in dublin 90 per cent of tenants who could afford it bought the house from the council .
People who own a house they bought tend to be older and more responsible than the average tenant .
you couuld rent a house from the council for 30 years and at some point you may have to leave it for various reasons .
the monthly rent is based on the total income of the people who live in a house,
including any person over the age of 18 .
i,m not a snob, i would buy a house, in the estate,
but i would try to buy one that is not next door to a social housing unit,
given all the houses are identical and the same price .

Mad_maxx

jimmycrackcorm wrote: »

If that is the case, then why is it a policy to mix social housing with private? It would be cheaper if we just built council estates like we used to, but why do you think they don't do that now?

Political correctness

Idbatterim

Put your name down on housing list and you can be in with a chance to get a 960,000 euro apartment op...

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/economy/ronan-plans-to-sell-960-000-apartment-to-council-for-social-housing-1.4476385?mode=amp

FromADistance

Idbatterim wrote: »

Put your name down on housing list and you can be in with a chance to get a 960,000 euro apartment op...

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/economy/ronan-plans-to-sell-960-000-apartment-to-council-for-social-housing-1.4476385?mode=amp

A f*cking joke in itself.

Gatling

riclad wrote: »

Say a tenant dies, if the children are not on the housing list, the council can simply ask them to leave by a certain date,
theres no automatic transfer process

Yes and no they kinda banned social housing inheritance ,
I know of a case where a family of 4 adults both parents died in 6 week period of each other and the adult siblings were handed a letter in a fews days of reporting the 2nd death saying they were being evicted from the properly ,
Others have been in social media thanking councillors for getting them their parents houses ,.
There is no official transfer policy but local authorities to facilitate transfers to different properties as long as both tenants are in agreement ,same size property ,and neither has any rental arrears ,
There not great with helping single older people with downsizing , there's plenty of single people living in 3-5 bed property but councils have no where to move them too.

Correction there is a official transfer list and policy but it can literally take years waiting for an official transfer

Idbatterim

FromADistance wrote: »

A f*cking joke in itself.

Workyshy in prime location and the workers paying for it, will be commuting in from longford etc on the third world transport system here. This banana republic is truly unbelievable!

Lmkrnr

Don't buy in an estate if your worried about a social tennant as a neighbor,.simple as.

Many new builds are bought to rent out, so chances are you'll have neighbor either on Hap or in a council house. I myself own my house and I hope to rent it out in a few year's. If the potential tenant is recieving HAP ect then so be it. If my neighbor was you, you would of bought thinking the neighbors were all private owners but that would of changed in a few years. Then what?

Mr_Muffin

It's not only people in social housing that cause trouble blah blah blah.

That you even have to ask this question should tell you everything.

The biggest purchase you'll ever make and you want to take a chance that Jacinta and her 5 sprogs from 3 different fathers (2 of whom are drug dealers) won't cause trouble?

Run.

mariaalice

It a moot point really, every new development is going to have social housing and there is no sign that housing development are not selling.

Also, purchasers are free to buy second hand if social housing in new development bother them.

Gatling

The next homeless crisis - boardsies refuse to share estates with social tenants,
Boyd Barret to speak to the dail

riclad

riclad wrote: »

Say a tenant dies, if the children are not on the housing list, the council can simply ask them to leave by a certain date,
theres no automatic transfer process

That's not true.


I'm unsure of the specifics for children under 18, but if you're over 18, your parents add you to the rent with the council, so the council are aware that you're living in that house.. Makes very little difference financially, but if you get a job, they might up the rent a couple of euro (trivial amounts).


If both parents are killed in a crash, and Johnny is on the rent, it becomes Johnny's house. If Johnny is not on the rent, then it can go to someone else.


Once you're on the rent book, it's your house, no matter what happens. I know of people renting privately, that still have their name down as being a tenant in their elderly parent's council houses, because it'll be their house when the parent dies. It's generally a small amount of money they have to pay to the Council, and it saves the hassle and heartache of getting a mortgage etc.


(obviously this doesn't work if your parents are very young, as you'd be waiting forever).

Madeoface

OP dead right to switch. Back in mid 2000's we bought in an old private estate that overlooked a new social housing estate built on a small patch of land a developer gave Wicklow Coco after building further up the town.

Only 12 or so units but 4 houses contained 4 families of absolute knuckle dragging filth. They destroyed their own estate within a couple of years. A complete waste of taxes.

We were separated by a green area and mature hedging/ trees.... which were regularly set on fire / vandalised. The main thing that saved us was that my next door neighbour was a Garda, but me and him still had to sort out some of the more unruly from the estate a couple of times a year if we caught them breaking into cars, throwing rocks at houses, vandalising. More during the summer when the midweek outside drinking became an option to the perennially non working class.

Sold at a huge loss and was glad to have got out.

https://www.offalyexpress.ie/news/home/606643/residents-demand-action-on-anti-social-behaviour-in-offaly-estate.html

This is what happens when large portions of a housing estate is bought for social housing.

FromADistance

Gatling wrote: »

The next homeless crisis - boardsies refuse to share estates with social tenants,
Boyd Barret to speak to the dail

Please :rolleyes:

Someone paying a mortgage or buying a property with their own hard earned cash deserves the full protection of the state but we all know if you move into the wrong estate you'll be on your own.

Gatling

FromADistance wrote: »

Please :rolleyes:

Someone paying a mortgage or buying a property with their own hard earned cash deserves the full protection of the state but we all know if you move into the wrong estate you'll be on your own.

The same applies to everyone

FromADistance

Gatling wrote: »

The same applies to everyone

Back in the real world... people who own their own property are generally not the ones causing trouble. So enough with the BS.