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elperello

FrancieBrady wrote: »

For gawds sake!

Political shenanigans elperello...not the end of civilisation as we know it.

Akin to faking an injury on the football field.

Why people who support FG and FF piled on to this and other 'scoops' about SF really eludes me. Have they no awareness of what went on in this state since independence and that it was highly likely they were at it as well?

If it was for electoral purposes it is nothing more than people outside polling booths or flopping over in the penalty area. Silly when you are caught at it. Sillier still when your Minister (Harris) climbs up onto the high moral ground just as you are admitting to doing the same thing.

Thanks all the same but I know the difference between football and politics and I'm not buying that analogy.

When members of political parties were going around misrepresenting themselves to voters (ie. lying) that was wrong no matter how you dress it up.

If you don't have your word you have nothing.

Fann Linn

Just breaking now, even Renua did it. Can we all just agree that this is a non story and is just the norm in Irish politics.

blanch152

Fann Linn wrote: »

Just breaking now, even Renua did it. Can we all just agree that this is a non story and is just the norm in Irish politics.

Not at all, only those who think lying to voters is ok are calling this a non-story.

blanch152

CaoimhinCong wrote: »

The Republican movement were unequivocal when issuing statements regarding the murder of Jerry McCabe.

2011 Martin Mcg said in an interview with Brian dobson the murder was entirely wrong. In 2013 Gerry Adams from the floor of the Dail eireann stated the murder of Jerry Mccabe was wrong as he sent his condolences to Adrian Donohoe family.

Nobody has tried to mess it up. When volunteers joined the ranks of Oglaigh na hEireann they undertook standing order No.8 regarding free state forces not being regarded as targets.

This operation was wrong. No Republican says otherwise.

And yet, they campaigned for his killers to be released under the GFA, they organised a welcome home party for them when they were released.

With Sinn Fein, we know well to ignore what they say and focus on what they do.

Fann Linn

blanch152 wrote: »

Not at all, only those who think lying to voters is ok are calling this a non-story.

All the main parties including your own have been caught now. The DPC have written to SF, I am assuming they'll write and deal equally with the rest of them.

blanch152

Fann Linn wrote: »

All the main parties including your own have been caught now. The DPC have written to SF, I am assuming they'll write and deal equally with the rest of them.

This isn't something to be crowing about. If all parties were at it, then all parties need to be called out on it.

There is now a clear difference between those who are saying there was nothing wrong with Sinn Fein because all parties were doing it and those who are saying that all parties should be called out on it if they were doing it.

The former condone wrongdoing, the latter don't.

FrancieBrady

elperello wrote: »

Thanks all the same but I know the difference between football and politics and I'm not buying that analogy.

When members of political parties were going around misrepresenting themselves to voters (ie. lying) that was wrong no matter how you dress it up.

If you don't have your word you have nothing.

If you are a dirty footballer you are nothing either.

I'm failing to see (from the start actually) how this is anything but silly shenanigans from a political field renowned for them. Political parties 'misrepresent' themselves all the time, hence these threads. The end of the world is not nigh.

blanch152

blanch152 wrote: »

The former condone wrongdoing, the latter don't.

To be fair,they're not condoning it
They're just deflecting
Theres no need for the deflecting
It's historic
Politicians understandably only talking about it when directly asked
The only reason It's bobbing above the water at all is because of Abú
The authorities will just confirm whatever needs doing or that it has been done
This Discussion is better off in the stand alone thread the FrancieBrady account created a number of weeks back (where I needn't see it tbh)

Fann Linn

blanch152 wrote: »

This isn't something to be crowing about. If all parties were at it, then all parties need to be called out on it.

There is now a clear difference between those who are saying there was nothing wrong with Sinn Fein because all parties were doing it and those who are saying that all parties should be called out on it if they were doing it.

The former condone wrongdoing, the latter don't.

Some of us are saying let the proper authorities deal with it.

CaoimhinCong

blanch152 wrote: »

And yet, they campaigned for his killers to be released under the GFA, they organised a welcome home party for them when they were released.

With Sinn Fein, we know well to ignore what they say and focus on what they do.

I also campaigned for the lads to get out. Accepting a decision from a partitioned court,make no bones of it. The free state is a portioned state and its agencies Aswell.

As someone who grew up as an Irish man in a divided country, sold out by those in government and left to fend for ourselves against pogroms and loyalist death squads colluding with British state forces to murder catholics at will- I will never accept a judgement judgement from a court until ireland is a United under 1 justice system.

FrancieBrady

Marine Layer wrote: »

To be fair,they're not condoning it
They're just deflecting
Theres no need for the deflecting
It's historic
Politicians understandably only talking about it when directly asked
The only reason It's bobbing above the water at all is because of Abú
The authorities will just confirm whatever needs doing or that it has been done
This Discussion is better off in the stand alone thread the FrancieBrady account created a number of weeks back (where I needn't see it tbh)

The only reason it is 'bobbing above the water' is because an employee of a newspaper has an unhealthy obsession and a lack of understanding of what a real journalist should be doing, which is looking at the whole picture. His failure to do that turned this into the ****-show farce it quickly became.

markodaly

CaoimhinCong wrote: »

What?

Can you not read or are you purposely just trying to troll.

Flowery language to try and excuse murder.

It doesn't matter if the guys who murdered McCabe were all Buddhist Vegans who swore an oath to non-violence, they still murdered him in cold blood.

There is only one Óglaigh na hÉireann. It is the Irish Defence Forces, not the bunch of murdering psychopaths who pass off as 'Freedom Fighters'

https://twitter.com/defenceforces/status/1399742532532244480?s=20

Allinall

CaoimhinCong wrote: »

I also campaigned for the lads to get out. Accepting a decision from a partitioned court,make no bones of it. The free state is a portioned state and its agencies Aswell.

As someone who grew up as an Irish man in a divided country, sold out by those in government and left to fend for ourselves against pogroms and loyalist death squads colluding with British state forces to murder catholics at will- I will never accept a judgement judgement from a court until ireland is a United under 1 justice system.

Even if you know first hand that the accused is guilty?

FrancieBrady

FrancieBrady wrote: »

The only reason it is 'bobbing above the water' is because an employee of a newspaper has an unhealthy obsession and a lack of understanding of what a real journalist should be doing, which is looking at the whole picture. His failure to do that turned this into the ****-show farce it quickly became.

Thats your opinion
I read the article
He had SF materials and focused on them,they're nothing to be proud of
If FG,GREEN or FF false identities show up,they're nothing to be proud of either
Its only a niche story really and a filler for journalists
As a Shinner,if I were you I'd be like me and ignore it and would have stated this early yesterday if I was a shinner
But its not on my radar of interest
Maybe start a thread on perceived bias in journalism or something
I've seen what could be perceived as anti government articles from Ryan in that paper btw but grant it no praise for SF that I can instantly recall
But then again that's a reflection of my disinterest in seeking out such things

CaoimhinCong

markodaly wrote: »

Flowery language to try and excuse murder.

It doesn't matter if the guys who murdered McCabe were all Buddhist Vegans who swore an oath to non-violence, they still murdered him in cold blood.

There is only one Óglaigh na hÉireann. It is the Irish Defence Forces, not the bunch of murdering psychopaths who pass off as 'Freedom Fighters'

https://twitter.com/defenceforces/status/1399742532532244480?s=20

You can delude yourself all you like, Oglaigh na hEireann stood their volunteers down a number of years ago, to support the primacy of politics. Those lads you listed are good for putting out sandbags and shoveling snow off paths.

FrancieBrady

Marine Layer wrote: »

Thats your opinion
I read the article
He had SF materials and focused on them,they're nothing to be proud of
If FG,GREEN or FF false identities show up,they're nothing to be proud of either
Its only a niche story really and a filler for journalists
As a Shinner,if I were you I'd be like me and ignore it and would have stated this early yesterday if I was a shinner
But its not on my radar of interest
Maybe start a thread on perceived bias in journalism or something
I've seen what could be perceived as anti government articles from Nolan in that paper btw but grant it no praise for SF that I can instantly recall
But then again that's a reflection of my disinterest in seeking out such things

Still furiously ignoring it I see ML And the, oh so typical, patronising advice on top...yuck.

FrancieBrady

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Still furiously ignoring it I see ML And the, oh so typical, patronising advice on top...yuck.

I'm only reacting
You're the one going on and on and on
God knows why

costacorta

CaoimhinCong wrote: »

You can delude yourself all you like, Oglaigh na hEireann stood their volunteers down a number of years ago, to support the primacy of politics. Those lads you listed are good for putting out sandbags and shoveling snow off paths.

And the lads you supported were good for planting a bomb and running away while mothers and children were being blown up . Brave soldiers indeed .

guy2231

costacorta wrote: »

And the lads you supported were good for planting a bomb and running away while mothers and children were being blown up . Brave soldiers indeed .

And your boys were great at getting loyalist paramilitaraies to do their dirty work and your boys were great at shooting little girls and boys.

guy2231

markodaly wrote: »

Flowery language to try and excuse murder.

It doesn't matter if the guys who murdered McCabe were all Buddhist Vegans who swore an oath to non-violence, they still murdered him in cold blood.

There is only one Óglaigh na hÉireann. It is the Irish Defence Forces, not the bunch of murdering psychopaths who pass off as 'Freedom Fighters'

https://twitter.com/defenceforces/status/1399742532532244480?s=20

Hard to hold the Irish army in high regard as anyone who even knows anyone in the Irish army will tell you they do absolutely f*** all and also the only time Irish people actually needed them to come to their aid and help them from attack in the late 60s and early 70s they were nowhere to be seen except standing on the border scratching their hole making a lovely wage as per usual.

guy2231

guy2231 wrote: »

Hard to hold the Irish army in high regard as anyone who even knows anyone in the Irish army will tell you they do absolutely f*** all and also the only time Irish people actually needed them to come to their aid and help them from attack in the late 60s and early 70s they were nowhere to be seen except standing on the border scratching their hole making a lovely wage as per usual.

Charming

elperello

guy2231 wrote: »

Hard to hold the Irish army in high regard as anyone who even knows anyone in the Irish army will tell you they do absolutely f*** all and also the only time Irish people actually needed them to come to their aid and help them from attack in the late 60s and early 70s they were nowhere to be seen except standing on the border scratching their hole making a lovely wage as per usual.

I don't know who you are talking to in the Defence Forces but you are misinformed.

As for what happened 50 years ago there is literally nobody from that era currently serving.

elperello

Marine Layer wrote: »

To be fair,they're not condoning it
They're just deflecting
Theres no need for the deflecting
It's historic
Politicians understandably only talking about it when directly asked
The only reason It's bobbing above the water at all is because of Abú
The authorities will just confirm whatever needs doing or that it has been done
This Discussion is better off in the stand alone thread the FrancieBrady account created a number of weeks back (where I needn't see it tbh)

I agree it would be better in that thread.

Just to point out there were two posts about the polling story in that thread. The second one was mine at lunchtime yesterday. After that nothing and I came over here to comment. I don't think I'll be a regular visitor.

CaoimhinCong

elperello wrote: »

I don't know who you are talking to in the Defence Forces but you are misinformed.

As for what happened 50 years ago there is literally nobody from that era currently serving.

Does that make it ok.

I was on the streets when that happened as a young child. The free state abandoned us. West brits one and all.

CaoimhinCong

costacorta wrote: »

And the lads you supported were good for planting a bomb and running away while mothers and children were being blown up . Brave soldiers indeed .

Guerilla warfare, Sadly there was civilian deaths. But same could be said for the British state planting information with the FRU and Nelson to murder men who werent even republicans to "return the serve"

As a man who grew up through it and WHO DOESNT support Sinn Fein no longer, I see how easy it is for those sitting in the ditch to attack those who were to the forefront.

costacorta

CaoimhinCong wrote: »

Guerilla warfare, Sadly there was civilian deaths. But same could be said for the British state planting information with the FRU and Nelson to murder men who werent even republicans to "return the serve"

As a man who grew up through it and WHO DOESNT support Sinn Fein no longer, I see how easy it is for those sitting in the ditch to attack those who were to the forefront.

Maybe you should try counselling for the trauma you experienced in your youth . As for the rest of us down south we just get on with our lives and not overly worried about republicans or unionists.. As I said before SF and DUP and their supporters are a cancer on our society .

guy2231

costacorta wrote: »

Maybe you should try counselling for the trauma you experienced in your youth . As for the rest of us down south we just get on with our lives and not overly worried about republicans or unionists.. As I said before SF and DUP and their supporters are a cancer on our society .

SF A cancer on what society? Certainly not mine, the most popular party in the south and about to be the most popular party in the north also.

Brendan Bendar

guy2231 wrote: »

SF A cancer on what society? Certainly not mine, the most popular party in the south and about to be the most popular party in the north also.

Sure sure, if you are taken in by the populist bulldust they promulgate.

Only the challenged would take any heed of them

skimpydoo

Marine Layer wrote: »

Thats your opinion
I read the article
He had SF materials and focused on them,they're nothing to be proud of
If FG,GREEN or FF false identities show up,they're nothing to be proud of either
Its only a niche story really and a filler for journalists
As a Shinner,if I were you I'd be like me and ignore it and would have stated this early yesterday if I was a shinner
But its not on my radar of interest
Maybe start a thread on perceived bias in journalism or something
I've seen what could be perceived as anti government articles from Ryan in that paper btw but grant it no praise for SF that I can instantly recall
But then again that's a reflection of my disinterest in seeking out such things

It was mentioned on the 5:30 Virgin Media News. It was also mentioned that Marc McSharry asked Michael Martin to resign over this. MM said no and McSharry is now asking Drew Harris to open an investigation in to this. This story is not going away and don't forget this story is only being published because there is a by-election happening shortly.

guy2231

skimpydoo wrote: »

It was mentioned on the 5:30 Virgin Media News. It was also mentioned that Marc McSharry asked Michael Martin to resign over this. MM said no and McSharry is now asking Drew Harris to open an investigation in to this. This story is not going away and don't forget this story is only being published because there is a by-election happening shortly.

He kind of has to do this after all the stuff that came out of his mouth about Sinn Fein before he found out this was common practice for most parties including his own.