FrancieBrady wrote: » For gawds sake! Political shenanigans elperello...not the end of civilisation as we know it. Akin to faking an injury on the football field. Why people who support FG and FF piled on to this and other 'scoops' about SF really eludes me. Have they no awareness of what went on in this state since independence and that it was highly likely they were at it as well? If it was for electoral purposes it is nothing more than people outside polling booths or flopping over in the penalty area. Silly when you are caught at it. Sillier still when your Minister (Harris) climbs up onto the high moral ground just as you are admitting to doing the same thing.
Fann Linn wrote: » Just breaking now, even Renua did it. Can we all just agree that this is a non story and is just the norm in Irish politics.
CaoimhinCong wrote: » The Republican movement were unequivocal when issuing statements regarding the murder of Jerry McCabe. 2011 Martin Mcg said in an interview with Brian dobson the murder was entirely wrong. In 2013 Gerry Adams from the floor of the Dail eireann stated the murder of Jerry Mccabe was wrong as he sent his condolences to Adrian Donohoe family. Nobody has tried to mess it up. When volunteers joined the ranks of Oglaigh na hEireann they undertook standing order No.8 regarding free state forces not being regarded as targets. This operation was wrong. No Republican says otherwise.
blanch152 wrote: » Not at all, only those who think lying to voters is ok are calling this a non-story.
Fann Linn wrote: » All the main parties including your own have been caught now. The DPC have written to SF, I am assuming they'll write and deal equally with the rest of them.
elperello wrote: » Thanks all the same but I know the difference between football and politics and I'm not buying that analogy. When members of political parties were going around misrepresenting themselves to voters (ie. lying) that was wrong no matter how you dress it up. If you don't have your word you have nothing.
blanch152 wrote: » The former condone wrongdoing, the latter don't.
blanch152 wrote: » This isn't something to be crowing about. If all parties were at it, then all parties need to be called out on it. There is now a clear difference between those who are saying there was nothing wrong with Sinn Fein because all parties were doing it and those who are saying that all parties should be called out on it if they were doing it. The former condone wrongdoing, the latter don't.
blanch152 wrote: » And yet, they campaigned for his killers to be released under the GFA, they organised a welcome home party for them when they were released. With Sinn Fein, we know well to ignore what they say and focus on what they do.
Marine Layer wrote: » To be fair,they're not condoning it They're just deflecting Theres no need for the deflecting It's historic Politicians understandably only talking about it when directly asked The only reason It's bobbing above the water at all is because of Abú The authorities will just confirm whatever needs doing or that it has been done This Discussion is better off in the stand alone thread the FrancieBrady account created a number of weeks back (where I needn't see it tbh)
CaoimhinCong wrote: » What? Can you not read or are you purposely just trying to troll.
CaoimhinCong wrote: » I also campaigned for the lads to get out. Accepting a decision from a partitioned court,make no bones of it. The free state is a portioned state and its agencies Aswell. As someone who grew up as an Irish man in a divided country, sold out by those in government and left to fend for ourselves against pogroms and loyalist death squads colluding with British state forces to murder catholics at will- I will never accept a judgement judgement from a court until ireland is a United under 1 justice system.
FrancieBrady wrote: » The only reason it is 'bobbing above the water' is because an employee of a newspaper has an unhealthy obsession and a lack of understanding of what a real journalist should be doing, which is looking at the whole picture. His failure to do that turned this into the ****-show farce it quickly became.
markodaly wrote: » Flowery language to try and excuse murder. It doesn't matter if the guys who murdered McCabe were all Buddhist Vegans who swore an oath to non-violence, they still murdered him in cold blood. There is only one Óglaigh na hÉireann. It is the Irish Defence Forces, not the bunch of murdering psychopaths who pass off as 'Freedom Fighters'https://twitter.com/defenceforces/status/1399742532532244480?s=20
Marine Layer wrote: » Thats your opinion I read the article He had SF materials and focused on them,they're nothing to be proud of If FG,GREEN or FF false identities show up,they're nothing to be proud of either Its only a niche story really and a filler for journalists As a Shinner,if I were you I'd be like me and ignore it and would have stated this early yesterday if I was a shinner But its not on my radar of interest Maybe start a thread on perceived bias in journalism or something I've seen what could be perceived as anti government articles from Nolan in that paper btw but grant it no praise for SF that I can instantly recall But then again that's a reflection of my disinterest in seeking out such things
FrancieBrady wrote: » Still furiously ignoring it I see ML And the, oh so typical, patronising advice on top...yuck.
CaoimhinCong wrote: » You can delude yourself all you like, Oglaigh na hEireann stood their volunteers down a number of years ago, to support the primacy of politics. Those lads you listed are good for putting out sandbags and shoveling snow off paths.
costacorta wrote: » And the lads you supported were good for planting a bomb and running away while mothers and children were being blown up . Brave soldiers indeed .
guy2231 wrote: » Hard to hold the Irish army in high regard as anyone who even knows anyone in the Irish army will tell you they do absolutely f*** all and also the only time Irish people actually needed them to come to their aid and help them from attack in the late 60s and early 70s they were nowhere to be seen except standing on the border scratching their hole making a lovely wage as per usual.
Marine Layer wrote: » To be fair,they're not condoning it They're just deflecting Theres no need for the deflecting It's historic Politicians understandably only talking about it when directly asked The only reason It's bobbing above the water at all is because of AbúThe authorities will just confirm whatever needs doing or that it has been done This Discussion is better off in the stand alone thread the FrancieBrady account created a number of weeks back (where I needn't see it tbh)
elperello wrote: » I don't know who you are talking to in the Defence Forces but you are misinformed.As for what happened 50 years ago there is literally nobody from that era currently serving.
CaoimhinCong wrote: » Guerilla warfare, Sadly there was civilian deaths. But same could be said for the British state planting information with the FRU and Nelson to murder men who werent even republicans to "return the serve" As a man who grew up through it and WHO DOESNT support Sinn Fein no longer, I see how easy it is for those sitting in the ditch to attack those who were to the forefront.
costacorta wrote: » Maybe you should try counselling for the trauma you experienced in your youth . As for the rest of us down south we just get on with our lives and not overly worried about republicans or unionists.. As I said before SF and DUP and their supporters are a cancer on our society .
guy2231 wrote: » SF A cancer on what society? Certainly not mine, the most popular party in the south and about to be the most popular party in the north also.
Marine Layer wrote: » Thats your opinion I read the article He had SF materials and focused on them,they're nothing to be proud of If FG,GREEN or FF false identities show up,they're nothing to be proud of either Its only a niche story really and a filler for journalists As a Shinner,if I were you I'd be like me and ignore it and would have stated this early yesterday if I was a shinner But its not on my radar of interest Maybe start a thread on perceived bias in journalism or something I've seen what could be perceived as anti government articles from Ryan in that paper btw but grant it no praise for SF that I can instantly recall But then again that's a reflection of my disinterest in seeking out such things
skimpydoo wrote: » It was mentioned on the 5:30 Virgin Media News. It was also mentioned that Marc McSharry asked Michael Martin to resign over this. MM said no and McSharry is now asking Drew Harris to open an investigation in to this. This story is not going away and don't forget this story is only being published because there is a by-election happening shortly.
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