What exactly is happening with AstraZeneca?

brickster69

Holland sent 1.2 mln AZ to Mexico

https://twitter.com/GobiernoMX/status/1385247020135354368

Wolf359f

brickster69 wrote: »

AZ delivery schedule. 14 times " best reasonable efforts ". Estimated delivery based on approval which was 29/1/2021. Again " earliest possible " = best case scenario

https://twitter.com/nickgutteridge/status/1362780886379483137

The term "reserved manufacturing and production schedule" could be argued that capacity that was reserved for the EU order was used to fulfill others.
Sure it's with the lawyer's now.

correct horse battery staple

correct horse battery staple wrote: »

Money and energy could have been thrown at other manufacturers and vaccines as EU had to do recently, except we were strung along for months by lies

That’s malicious

such as?

maybe if they shouted a bit louder and stamped their foot harder, it might have made vaccines miraculously appear.

deeperlearning

According to the NOS, the Dutch national broadcaster:


"The Netherlands has ordered about 11.7 million doses of AstraZeneca, more than the other vaccines. But the vast majority of them - some 10 million doses - are not expected to be delivered until the third and fourth quarters of this year.

By then, the Health Ministry believes it will have received millions of doses of the other vaccines as well."



https://nos.nl/artikel/2378022-einde-voor-astrazeneca-in-nederland-in-zicht-verwacht-rivm.html

deeperlearning

It takes a particular type of fool to read and believe everything written in The Daily Mail.

correct horse battery staple

correct horse battery staple wrote: »

Such as Pfizer and moderna and curevac

Hell maybe even Sputnik, 300 million would have gone along way with anyone more competent, money aside there’s this thing called opportunity cost

Instead they took money, sold a bunch of lies and continued to lie and under deliver

We got scammed plain and simple

Moderna were never in a position to produce enough vaccines no matter how much was thrown at them and I am sure Pfizer would be more than happy to sell more, they just don't have the capacity.

These are new products, companies are starting from scratch. They also have other products to produce as people are still getting sick and needing treatment or getting born and needing the dozen or so vaccines they get in the first year of their life.

There is no silver bullet here.

robinph

correct horse battery staple wrote: »

It would have shown issues AZ are having are genuine, also if they raised their hand earlier about issues like sanofi did it would have meant other supplies could have been acquired potentially or maybe help offered

Instead AZ strung everyone along

As for uk they burned any goodwill by tying this ****ty vaccine to Brexit and adding political nonsense and gas lighting everyone via their tabloids.

And there it is. You were doing so well with avoiding the topic.

Bit cynical

correct horse battery staple wrote: »

Just like Brexit it turned to **** as for UK this crap allowed them to cover up and distract from at least 70000 needless deaths, yet you still have apologists posting here for these Tory cretins

In fairness leaving the EU meant that the UK weren't under pressure to join the EU's procurement scheme and could go their own way in handling vaccines.

correct horse battery staple

correct horse battery staple wrote: »

We don’t know that, if AZ said 6 months ago we will only deliver 10-25% of what’s agreed, then that would have given EU time to see what else is available

They didn’t, they took the money and lied time and time again

Just like Brexit it turned to **** as for UK this crap allowed them to cover up and distract from at least 70000 needless deaths, yet you still have apologists posting here for these Tory cretins

your bitterness at the success of the UK's vaccine programme is well noted by this stage, no need to keep regurgitating the same old ****e.

Tyrone212

RTE

AstraZeneca has so far delivered just 31 million of the 120 million doses it had promised to the EU. It has warned it will likewise provide just 70 million of the 180 million more meant to be delivered over the rest of this year.

AstraZeneca's French-Australian boss Pascal Soriot has argued that his company's contract with the EU binds it only to a "best reasonable efforts" clause.

But the commission says the rest of the contract shows greater legal responsibility than that, and EU diplomats and lawmakers have pointed out that the company has largely delivered promised doses to Britain, where it is headquartered

Dyr

brickster69 wrote: »

Holland sent 1.2 mln AZ to Mexico

https://twitter.com/GobiernoMX/status/1385247020135354368

Solidarity, eh? Is the European Commision going to seize those vaccines to prevent them leaving Europe?

Meanwhile, in Britain:

robinph

correct horse battery staple wrote: »

I wasn’t the one who decided to equate this ****ty vaccine with greed and Brexit

And do you think that Brexit has had any effect on contract with the EU or the supplys to the EU?

Other than some idiot politicians and the Daily Mail headlines what influence has Brexit even had on anything to do with the vaccine in the UK?

You seem to be the only person who has been affected by Brexit in response to vaccine delivery in that it's winding you up significantly.

Tippbhoy1

Aegir wrote: »

such as?

maybe if they shouted a bit louder and stamped their foot harder, it might have made vaccines miraculously appear.

The Irish government turned down an option on a small extra quantity of Moderna, as it wasn’t thought we needed it with our commitments already from all suppliers. A big mistake on our behalf. That’s why Denmark are a bit further ahead as they took the option. This is before the **** hit the fan with AZ. That’s a small microcosm of what the lies from AZ led to.

Pfizer and Biontech have reacted enormously since the debacle with AZ. If there was transparency sooner, everyone could have reacted quicker and more lives would have been saved. You can see what has happened since with the ramp with Biontech alone and the Novartis plant they took over, wasn’t in any original plan.

As for the Uk 25%, only for the EU reacting and AZ not daring to try ship a vial to the UK off the back of it, you can be sure they would have more and the EU would have less.

The 11m the Dutch are “giving away” they don’t actually have yet to give away. They might get some eventually, which by that time we will all be vaccinated. Castigated here by the usual suspects for, wait for it, not using the vaccines....that they actually don’t have anyway and by the time they will, they won’t need.

Astra Zeneca-If they’d held their hands up as soon as they knew the problems and told the truth honestly to everyone and shared the pain equally across their customers, there would be no problem. But nope, like all bad suppliers, they take the orders and will try ride it out afterwards with lies and bluster and false promises. Unfortunately in this instance it has cost lives. Disgraceful carry on from a complete joke of a company.

Tippbhoy1

brickster69 wrote: »

Holland sent 1.2 mln AZ to Mexico

https://twitter.com/GobiernoMX/status/1385247020135354368

European based plants are supplying the world.
AZ is manufactured...in Holland.

deeperlearning

India exported millions of Oxford vaccines from the Serum Institute of India to the UK.



Those drinks in the sun in the UK came at a price.

brickster69

Tippbhoy1 wrote: »

The Irish government turned down an option on a small extra quantity of Moderna, as it wasn’t thought we needed it with our commitments already from all suppliers. A big mistake on our behalf. That’s why Denmark are a bit further ahead as they took the option. This is before the **** hit the fan with AZ. That’s a small microcosm of what the lies from AZ led to.

Pfizer and Biontech have reacted enormously since the debacle with AZ. If there was transparency sooner, everyone could have reacted quicker and more lives would have been saved. You can see what has happened since with the ramp with Biontech alone and the Novartis plant they took over, wasn’t in any original plan.

As for the Uk 25%, only for the EU reacting and AZ not daring to try ship a vial to the UK off the back of it, you can be sure they would have more and the EU would have less.

The 11m the Dutch are “giving away” they don’t actually have yet to give away. They might get some eventually, which by that time we will all be vaccinated. Castigated here by the usual suspects for, wait for it, not using the vaccines....that they actually don’t have anyway and by the time they will, they won’t need.

Astra Zeneca-If they’d held their hands up as soon as they knew the problems and told the truth honestly to everyone and shared the pain equally across their customers, there would be no problem. But nope, like all bad suppliers, they take the orders and will try ride it out afterwards with lies and bluster and false promises. Unfortunately in this instance it has cost lives. Disgraceful carry on from a complete joke of a company.

Well it works both ways. If German politicians never colluded with the German press stating AZ was only 8% effective, Macron stating it was quasi effective then maybe the jabs that were delivered could of been delivered to those most at risk of death.

The fact is this strategy to target AZ and create hesitancy from the population resulted in 1000's of deaths in the older people of Europe, without a doubt.

robinph

deeperlearning wrote: »

India exported millions of Oxford vaccines from the Serum Institute of India to the UK.



Those drinks in the sun in the UK came at a price.

Yes, that is correct. However, I think there is more than 2.5m people (5m doses) not having had a vaccination behind the current rise in cases and deaths in India.

brickster69

Tyrone212 wrote: »

RTE

AstraZeneca has so far delivered just 31 million of the 120 million doses it had promised to the EU.

Where do you get promised from. The deliveries were based on approval given prior to Dec 20120 and were an estimate not a guarantee. This is the whole point no one could guarantee a set amount. They still can't

Ubbquittious

deeperlearning wrote: »

India exported millions of Oxford vaccines from the Serum Institute of India to the UK.


Those drinks in the sun in the UK came at a price.

Feckin Hell. It's like something out of Game of Thrones

Charles Babbage

robinph wrote: »

... And as long as the UK is doing as badly as the EU that is all that matters.

No, what matters is that AZ were not diverting vaccine to the UK that was needed in the EU

robinph

Charles Babbage wrote: »

No, what matters is that AZ were not diverting vaccine to the UK that was needed in the EU

That was a total of 1 million doses.

brickster69

robinph wrote: »

Yes, that is correct. However, I think there is more than 2.5m people (5m doses) not having had a vaccination behind the current rise in cases and deaths in India.

Don't forget what the only vaccine they are making and giving to it's people is.

Tippbhoy1

Tippbhoy1 wrote: »

The Irish government turned down an option on a small extra quantity of Moderna, as it wasn’t thought we needed it with our commitments already from all suppliers. A big mistake on our behalf. That’s why Denmark are a bit further ahead as they took the option. This is before the **** hit the fan with AZ. That’s a small microcosm of what the lies from AZ led to.

A small extra quantity? they've only delivered 64,000 doses to Ireland so far.

If the Irish government turned down any extra vaccines, at a time when they keep telling us they can distribute them quicker than they can get them, then that says all we need to know about their efforts to actually get the population vaccinated.

robinph

Stats are showing around 120m people having had at least one dose in India.

Edit: That stat must be quite out of date as found somewhere else saying 130 million had been done by early March.

deeperlearning

deeperlearning wrote: »

India exported millions of Oxford vaccines from the Serum Institute of India to the UK.

Those drinks in the sun in the UK came at a price.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-india-eu-exclusive-idUSKBN2BO5H4

NEW DELHI (Reuters) - The European Union has asked India to allow it to buy 10 million doses of AstraZeneca’s COVID-19 vaccine from Serum Institute of India, a government official told Reuters, the latest sign of growing pressure on Delhi to export more of its production to other countries

drunkmonkey

Ivermectin was used widely in India in the first wave, they stopped using it but it's now been recommended again for home treatment for mild to moderate infection, AIIMS Delhi accepted it as a treatment on the 22nd of April, a swift decline is expected by the 10th of May.

https://www.indiatoday.in/coronavirus-outbreak/story/aiims-new-treatment-guidelines-for-covid19-1794038-2021-04-22

fly_agaric

Aegir wrote: »

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-india-eu-exclusive-idUSKBN2BO5H4

I don't think these were received.
The UK was much quicker off the mark and (I think) and got 5m out of 10m sought.

(As repeatedly pointed out by other posters...) the "small" amounts siphoned out of EU and from India to make UK fairly good as regards AstraZenecas promises will have little impact on their vaccination programmes given population sizes.

However it does reduce amount of vaccine some unlucky individual gets in those places from 50 or 100 % to nothing. It is all a nasty zero sum game really.

Tyrone212

Aegir wrote: »

your bitterness at the success of the UK's vaccine programme is well noted by this stage, no need to keep regurgitating the same old ****e.

Funny you mention bitterness, when a couple of weeks ago you made a disgusting comment about the famine on this thread and laughing about potatoes. The English education system is lacking when it comes to past crimes so its hardly surprising.

Tyrone212

Tyrone212 wrote: »

Funny you mention bitterness, when a couple of weeks ago you made a disgusting comment about the famine on this thread and laughing about potatoes. The English education system is lacking when it comes to past crimes so its hardly surprising.

No one was laughing about the famine, just laughing at the posters who seem to think that the U.K. is somehow stealing Ireland’s vaccines.

Glad to see the bitterness is in you as well. Surely someone from Tyrone should be pleased with the conservatives getting their family vaccinated.

fly_agaric

Bit cynical wrote: »

In fairness leaving the EU meant that the UK weren't under pressure to join the EU's procurement scheme and could go their own way in handling vaccines.

Yes, UK govt. really would have needed a much more jockey's bollox toughness neck to do what they've done while still an EU member.
Germany has been attacked here (on thread) for ordering more vaccines from same suppliers as the EU but these are to be delivered after so they won't cut into the production for the initial vaccination programme.
By contrast what is happening with AZ (if UK were a member) would be intolerable [order from same company being preferentially filled over the EU (i.e. other member states) order, and UK based production walled away from other EU members].
Countries (thinking of Poland/Hungary) seem to be able to get away with quite alot when they have 1 or more partners in crime with the way the EU is set up to require unanimity or quite close to it on decisions. I think this situation would have been the EU institutions and the rest of the member states all raging with + turning their ire on 1 member (UK).