Joe Biden Presidency thread *Please read OP - Threadbanned Users Added 4/5/21*

Water John

The Floyd p wrote: »

Tanden was a stupid nominee, completely out of her depth. Hopefully she doesn't end up squeaking through.

Overall the Biden administration has been desperate for doing anything meaningful, like not doing away ICE's policies despite promising reform, clearing student debt, and obviously the debacle with the relief cheques.

Meet the new boss, same as the old boss and all that...

Sorry, yawn I think it's bedtime for me. Aren't you so lefty and trendy. Biden has acted quickly to bring relief to Texas, even if it was their own fault and their GOP leaders. Trump would visit in two weeks time and throw paper towels at them.

The Floyd p

Water John wrote: »

Sorry, yawn I think it's bedtime for me. Aren't you so lefty and trendy. Biden has acted quickly to bring relief to Texas, even if it was their own fault and their GOP leaders. Trump would visit in two weeks time and throw paper towels at them.

Leftist, for sure. Biden is a terrible choice to be president and if the DNC are pinning their hopes on Harris they're barking up the wrong tree.

It's not the people of Texas' fault, not sure why you're implying that.

Biden will continue a neoliberal path for the USA, something which damages the world as a whole.

y0ssar1an22

Water John wrote: »

Sorry, yawn I think it's bedtime for me. Aren't you so lefty and trendy. Biden has acted quickly to bring relief to Texas, even if it was their own fault and their GOP leaders. Trump would visit in two weeks time and throw paper towels at them.

trump is in the past. lets focus on the now, and the future

The Floyd p

The Floyd p wrote: »

Tanden was a stupid nominee, completely out of her depth. Hopefully she doesn't end up squeaking through.

Overall the Biden administration has been desperate for doing anything meaningful, like not doing away ICE's policies despite promising reform, clearing student debt, and obviously the debacle with the relief cheques.

Meet the new boss, same as the old boss and all that...

Definitely. I mean look at all this pointless nonsense.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.marketwatch.com/amp/story/all-of-president-bidens-key-executive-orders-in-one-chart-2021-01-21

And most of the stuff you mention is being held up by Congress, not by Biden.

Water John

The Floyd p wrote: »

Leftist, for sure. Biden is a terrible choice to be president and if the DNC are pinning their hopes on Harris they're barking up the wrong tree.

It's not the people of Texas' fault, not sure why you're implying that.

Biden will continue a neoliberal path for the USA, something which damages the world as a whole.

Texan politicians, elected by the people. Just have a look at El Paso. A few hundred out of power for a few hours. Two things, when they had something similar happen 10 years ago, they moved to upgrade the electricity infrastructure and secondly, they are part of the Western US Grid, not connected to the rest of Texas.

extra gravy

y0ssar1an22 wrote: »

trump is in the past. lets focus on the now, and the future

How convenient to say he's in the past when his supporters that gave him a free pass on all his disgusting behaviour are here every day trying to undermine Biden for a lot less. Nobody takes hypocrites seriously.

The Floyd p

The Floyd p wrote: »

Leftist, for sure. Biden is a terrible choice to be president and if the DNC are pinning their hopes on Harris they're barking up the wrong tree.

It's not the people of Texas' fault, not sure why you're implying that.

Biden will continue a neoliberal path for the USA, something which damages the world as a whole.

Just a small thing, but it's best to say "I think that" or "in my opinion" when making such statements, otherwise many people won't take you seriously.

y0ssar1an22

The Floyd p wrote: »

Leftist, for sure. Biden is a terrible choice to be president and if the DNC are pinning their hopes on Harris they're barking up the wrong tree.

It's not the people of Texas' fault, not sure why you're implying that.

Biden will continue a neoliberal path for the USA, something which damages the world as a whole.

i do think, but for a few exceptions, republicans are happy about this.

it probably happens in most places...you dont have to run on your own policies, but just criticise the sitting government. if they do enough wrong, you reap the rewards come election time.

it is a flaw. i often thought (in Ireland) the minister for finance (as an example) should not be elected, but an expert in finance.
minister for health, should be a hard core business person, that will cut the fat that is not needed, and have no allegiance to party.

thats off topic

y0ssar1an22

extra gravy wrote: »

How convenient to say he's in the past when his supporters that gave him a free pass on all his disgusting behaviour are here every day trying to undermine Biden for a lot less. Nobody takes hypocrites seriously.

everyone is a hypocrite. once you accept that, you can move on.

if biden is deserving of criticism he should get it regardless of who came before. a cricket term, play every ball on its merits. judge him on what he does, the rest is irrelevant.

12gauge dave

y0ssar1an22 wrote: »

trump is in the past. lets focus on the now, and the future

Oh no you didn't say that did you.

y0ssar1an22

12gauge dave wrote: »

Oh no you didn't say that did you.

he's the ex president. unless he runs in 2024 he's in the past.

y0ssar1an22

y0ssar1an22 wrote: »

trump is in the past. lets focus on the now, and the future

y0ssar1an22 wrote: »

everyone is a hypocrite. once you accept that, you can move on.

if biden is deserving of criticism he should get it regardless of who came before. a cricket term, play every ball on its merits. judge him on what he does, the rest is irrelevant.

Of course he should be compared to past presidents.

Is Biden working hard? Is Biden making a big enough difference? Is the economy doing well under Biden? Is his approval rating high? Are international relations good under Biden? etc.

Those questions can only be answered relatively, not absolutely.

extra gravy

y0ssar1an22 wrote: »

everyone is a hypocrite. once you accept that, you can move on.

if biden is deserving of criticism he should get it regardless of who came before. a cricket term, play every ball on its merits. judge him on what he does, the rest is irrelevant.

You left a word out - "valid" criticism. We have posters here losing their minds over a verbal gaffe, posting videos of him with children, saying he's doing too much, saying he's too doing little. It's just embarrassing and very obvious that it's being done in bad faith.

The Floyd p

Deleted User wrote: »

Just a small thing, but it's best to say "I think that" or "in my opinion" when making such statements, otherwise many people won't take you seriously.

Given that this is a personal account, surely it can be inferred that I'm only speaking on behalf of myself?

The Floyd p

The Floyd p wrote: »

Given that this is a personal account, surely it can be inferred that I'm only speaking on behalf of myself?

There are many in this thread who like to state their opinions as if they are facts. It's best to not fall into that category. Otherwise, many will assume that you are incapable of changing your mind and so will not spend their time debating with you.

12gauge dave

extra gravy wrote: »

You left a word out - "valid" criticism. We have posters here losing their minds over a verbal gaffe, posting videos of him with children, saying he's doing too much, saying he's too doing little. It's just embarrassing and very obvious that it's being done in bad faith.

That gaffe claimed that president Trump didn't have any vaccines in place leaving the office which wasn't true as millions of American citizens had been vaccinated including Joe Biden himself.

Not just any old gaffe as you can see and worthy of attention.

12gauge dave

12gauge dave wrote: »

That gaffe claimed that president Trump didn't have any vaccines in place leaving the office which wasn't true as millions of American citizens had been vaccinated including Joe Biden himself.

Not just any old gaffe as you can see.

No it didn't. Please stop ignoring people's replies.

I'm finding it pretty funny that a poster is asking for an apology after they were called out for posting a modified quote that misrepresented a statement.... They even admitted they had misrepresented at time... Bad faith postings tbh.

The Floyd p

Deleted User wrote: »

There are many in this thread who like to state their opinions as if they are facts. It's best to not fall into that category. Otherwise, many will assume that you are incapable of changing your mind and so will not spend their time debating with you.

I'm not overly concerned with people not believing me tbh. There are some in this thread who will extol the virtues of Joe Biden, whom history will forget as very much an inconsequential president. He will appease the "If Hillary won we'd all be at brunch by now" types, those who prefer to treat politics as something best ignored until something cataclysmic happens.

It is what it is. Trump was one of the worst presidents in modern USA history. Biden has shown no desire in his whole career to be anything except a peacemaker between Republicans and Democrats, which only results in moving the democrats further right. The USA ends up with no left wing and people on that side are forced to neuter themselves or risk excommunication. It's sad really.

Rjd2

eagle eye wrote: »

So it looks like Neera Tanden won't get nominated by the Senate.
Joe Manchin definitely voting against her and Bernie Sanders might too.
I'm surprised they haven't pulled her yet

Manchin voting against her for stupid reasons like her "mean tweets".

It doesn't reflect well on Bernie if he votes her through, but not impossible she has a few Republican votes to get her through.

I find it odd Manchin been the decisive vote on anything tbh.

y0ssar1an22

Deleted User wrote: »

Of course he should be compared to past presidents.

Is Biden working hard? Is Biden making a big enough difference? Is the economy doing well under Biden? Is his approval rating high? Are international relations good under Biden? etc.

Those questions can only be answered relatively, not absolutely.

i had a whole thing written here (about how you cant compare one president to the other), and then i read your last line.

ultimately, he will be judged on job creation (not wealth creation). i dont think the average American cares about the environment as much as people make out; immigration; power of big tech; and fighting or not.

y0ssar1an22

extra gravy wrote: »

You left a word out - "valid" criticism. We have posters here losing their minds over a verbal gaffe, posting videos of him with children, saying he's doing too much, saying he's too doing little. It's just embarrassing and very obvious that it's being done in bad faith.

criticism is criticism is it not? whats valid criticism? are there some things we cant criticise?

12gauge dave

Deleted User wrote: »

No it didn't. Please stop ignoring people's replies.

Just the facts:
President Biden said: “we didn’t have [the coronavirus vaccine] when we came into office”.

He got vaccinated LIVE ON TV.
First dose on Dec 21, 2020.


Second dose on Jan 11, 2021.

His first day in office, January 20, 2021.

While I agree it was a mistake he said it all the same and I was made to feel that he didn't say it last night when actually he did.

12gauge dave

12gauge dave wrote: »

Just the facts:
President Biden said: “we didn’t have [the coronavirus vaccine] when we came into office”.

He got vaccinated LIVE ON TV.
First dose on Dec 21, 2020.


Second dose on Jan 11, 2021.

His first day in office, January 20, 2021.

While I agree it was a mistake he said it all the same and I was made to feel that he didn't say it last night when actually he did.

Please stop ignoring replies. That's all have to say to you. Repeating the same statement over and over doesn't make a difference. There have been detailed replies to that statement. What you should next do is reply to one of those replies. There is no benefit to repeating the same statement over and over like a seal. It makes it look like you cannot reply to our replies and therefore weakens your credibility.

And the additional info you added is incredibly cringey. Are you suggesting that he actually forgot that he was vaccinated? That he forgot that he said a minute beforehand during the Q&A that millions of Americans had been vaccinated? Not even the other Trumpists in this thread are suggesting that. That's just, ugh...

y0ssar1an22

Deleted User wrote: »

Please stop ignoring replies. That's all have to say to you. Repeating the same statement over and over doesn't make a difference. There have been detailed replies to that statement. What you should next do is reply to one of those replies. There is no benefit to repeating the same statement over and over like a seal. It makes it look like you cannot reply to our replies and therefore weakens your credibility.

And the additional info you added is incredibly cringey. Are you suggesting that he actually forgot that he was vaccinated? That he forgot that he said a minute beforehand during the Q&A that millions of Americans had been vaccinated? Not even the other Trumpists in this thread are suggesting that. That's just, ugh...

he lied or forgot.

washington post, one of the biggest democrat publications, fact checked it as a 'verbal stumble'.

whats worse in your opinion? lying or forgetting?

12gauge dave

Deleted User wrote: »

Please stop ignoring replies. That's all have to say to you. Repeating the same statement over and over doesn't make a difference. There have been detailed replies to that statement. What you should next do is reply to one of those replies. There is no benefit to repeating the same statement over and over like a seal. It makes it look like you cannot reply to our replies and therefore weakens your credibility.

And the additional info you added is incredibly cringey. Are you suggesting that he actually forgot that he was vaccinated? That he forgot that he said a minute beforehand during the Q&A that millions of Americans had been vaccinated? Not even the other Trumpists in this thread are suggesting that. That's just, ugh...

Please stop ignoring replies.

Aren't i replying to you ya mad man I don't see how you can say I'm ignoring your replies when I'm directly replying to you?

y0ssar1an22

y0ssar1an22 wrote: »

criticism is criticism is it not? whats valid criticism? are there some things we cant criticise?

Yes, and he gave you some examples in his post. People have criticised him for signing too many execute orders, people have criticised him for not signing enough executive orders, people criticised his press secretary for staying she would answer next time instead of making up something on the spot etc.

12gauge dave

12gauge dave wrote: »

Please stop ignoring replies.

Aren't i replying to you ya mad man I don't see how you can say I'm ignoring your replies when I'm directly replying to you?

You are repeating the same statement over and over. This statement has been debunked already in detail several times. Reply to one of those detailed responses.

y0ssar1an22

y0ssar1an22 wrote: »

he lied or forgot.

No he didn't. Those are not the only options, nor are they the most likely options, as I've already explained to you. You seemed perfectly okay to accept that until you found someone who you believe said otherwise (which he didn't. A verbal stumble doesn't imply someone lied or forgot.)

y0ssar1an22

Deleted User wrote: »

Yes, and he gave you some examples in his post. People have criticised him for signing too many execute orders, people have criticised him for not signing enough executive orders, people criticised his press secretary for staying she would answer next time instead of making up something on the spot etc.

i completely agree.

lets focus on the actual policies. if i was the texas governor (or whoever is responsible for this), every catch and release, i would put on a bus and release to Washington (or Delaware).

would JB support that do you think?