Joe Biden Presidency thread *Please read OP - Threadbanned Users Added 4/5/21*

Timberrrrrrrr

Curse These Metal Hands wrote: »

So no then. You said Biden didn't bomb Syria.

Here's the definition of bombing: "an act or instance of dropping or detonating a bomb somewhere."

So Timothy McVeigh bombed America?

Timberrrrrrrr

Curse These Metal Hands wrote: »

So the Biden strike is the only one you've bothered to read up on to arrive at an opinon? Strange. Sounds like you're afraid to admit you agreed with Trump military action. I mean, you can't really say this is any different so you must agree with Trump.

This thread is about Biden, but I haven't liked an American president in my lifetime anyway which goes back to Bush Sr. I've never seen an example of US military action that was fully justified. If there is, its far out weighed by the immoral actions.

Hard to agree or disagree on it seeing as he suppressed reporting of drone strikes/bombings when it became cleare he had dropped more bombs on two years than Obama did in eight.

Curse These Metal Hands

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

So Timothy McVeigh bombed America?

Is that meant to be an intelligent argument or are you joking?

Curse These Metal Hands

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Hard to agree or disagree on it seeing as he suppressed reporting of drone strikes/bombings when it became cleare he had dropped more bombs on two years than Obama did in eight.

Oh I see. Very hard to arrive at an opinion on those but Biden is definitely 100 percent correct, no room for argument. Democrats were able to form an opinion and spoke out, why can't you?

Curse These Metal Hands

Curse These Metal Hands wrote: »

So the Biden strike is the only one you've bothered to read up on to arrive at an opinon? Strange. Sounds like you're afraid to admit you agreed with Trump military action. I mean, you can't really say this is any different so you must agree with Trump.

That's not what I said at all. I haven't read up on Biden's strike nor on Trump's strike so I feel indifferent about all of them. Likewise, based on your dodging of questions, you have done the same. Yet you are angry about all of them because "bomb".

Curse These Metal Hands wrote: »

This thread is about Biden, but I haven't liked an American president in my lifetime anyway which goes back to Bush Sr. I've never seen an example of US military action that fully justified.

So you don't think Libya was justified? And you believe America was correct not to intervene during the Rwandan genocide?

Eric Cartman

Curse These Metal Hands wrote: »

No I loved it then. I love when republicans bomb stuff, but when democrats do it I get very angry. Does that satisfy your blinkered view of reality?

That's the only argument you guys ever produce.."but Trump." So weak and tedious.

Thats it around here, if you took somebody off an island who had never known anything about former US presidents and just had issues with what Biden does, they'd still be called a trumpist etc...

I wonder how many presidents this effect will last, like election 2032 is there still going to be 'but trump' for criticisms of the Dems.

weisses

Curse These Metal Hands wrote: »

Different types of bombing. Haha! Biden drops nice bombs. You just acknowledged it was a bombing by the way. Oops.

Yes ... 7 five hundred pounds were dropped on that target ... did I ever stated bombs weren't used ?

You are still incoherent in your replies

Curse These Metal Hands

[Deleted User] wrote: »

That's not what I said at all. I haven't read up on Biden's strike nor on Trump's strike so I feel indifferent about all of them. Likewise, based on your dodging of questions, you have done the same. Yet you are angry about all of them because "bomb".

Strange to argue about something so vehemently when you haven't familiarised yourself with the topic you're wound up about. I don't get why you'd immediately jump to defend Biden when you don't know yourself whether he was wrong?

Intervention in the genocide was right yes, I agree with that. Libya debatable. So many more examples of immoral actions, but this thread is about Biden.

Timberrrrrrrr

Curse These Metal Hands wrote: »

Is that meant to be an intelligent argument or are you joking?

Your own definition

Here's the definition of bombing: "an act or instance of dropping or detonating a bomb somewhere."

Timothy McVeigh detonated a bomb on American soil so by your standard definition he "bombed America". Or are you now trying to redefine the meaning of bombing?

Timberrrrrrrr

Curse These Metal Hands wrote: »

Oh I see. Very hard to arrive at an opinion on those but Biden is definitely 100 percent correct, no room for argument. Democrats were able to form an opinion and spoke out, why can't you?

Has anyone in this thread made this assertion?

Curse These Metal Hands

weisses wrote: »

Yes ... 7 five hundred pounds were dropped on that target ... did I ever stated bombs weren't used ?

You are still incoherent in your replies

Yeah I'm incoherent... You're the one that took issue with me saying Syria was bombed. Explain to me how that sentence was wrong?

"Bombing: an act or instance of dropping or detonating a bomb somewhere."

Curse These Metal Hands

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Your own definition



Timothy McVeigh detonated a bomb on American soil so by your standard definition he "bombed America". Or are you now trying to redefine the meaning of bombing?

No I'm not. Just you.

Thought you were joking but apparently you're seriously.. He bombed Oklahoma. You wouldn't be grammatically incorrect to say he bombed America if you wanted.

Eric Cartman

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Thats it around here, if you took somebody off an island who had never known anything about former US presidents and just had issues with what Biden does, they'd still be called a trumpist etc...

I wonder how many presidents this effect will last, like election 2032 is there still going to be 'but trump' for criticisms of the Dems.

If you don't want to be labelled as a Trumpist, how about you tell us which of Biden's policies you agree and disagree with and why that is?

Or you could not do that and continue to fit nicely into the Trumpist stereotype that you claim not to be.

Curse These Metal Hands

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Has anyone in this thread made this assertion?

So why have ye spent 30 mins arguing with me because I said the Biden strike wasn't insignificant? Sounds like it is significant after all. The whole defend at all costs thing isn't effective when you potentially disagree with the thing you're defending.

Curse These Metal Hands

Curse These Metal Hands wrote: »

Strange to argue about something so vehemently when you haven't familiarised yourself with the topic you're wound up about. I don't get why you'd immediately jump to defend Biden when you don't know yourself whether he was wrong?

Wow you're quite adept at making stuff up.

No one in this thread, including me, has defended it because, as I've already said, I don't know enough about the details to have any strong feelings one way or another as to whether it was justifiable or not. I have no problem admitting that. This is also true for you, but you don't want to admit that. But you have no problem bashing Biden for doing it even though you don't anything about it.

Curse These Metal Hands wrote: »

Intervention in the genocide was right yes, I agree with that. Libya debatable. So many more examples of immoral actions, but this thread is about Biden.

Intervention in the genocide was right? So the one time you think US foreign intervention was justified was the one time they didn't do it?

And Libya was debatable? Good thing we're on a discussion forum then! Tell us why you don't think Libya intervention might have been justified?

weisses

Curse These Metal Hands wrote: »

Yeah I'm incoherent... You're the one that took issue with me saying Syria was bombed. Explain to me how that sentence was wrong?

"Bombing: an act or instance of dropping or detonating a bomb somewhere."

Yeah you need to add context when you say "Syria was bombed"

Laos was bombed by the US



270 million bombs were dropped

Biden ordered a precision airstrike on a small compound near the Iraq border

Context

Curse These Metal Hands

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Wow you're quite adept at making stuff up.

No one in this thread, including me, has defended it because, as I've already said, I don't know enough about the details to have any strong feelings one way or another as to whether it was justifiable or not. I have no problem admitting that. This is also true for you, but you don't want to admit that. But you have no problem bashing Biden for doing it even though you don't anything about it.

Is your position seriously "I don't know anything about this but neither do you?"

Knowing the subject area of which your are debating is usually a logical position to take. I've outlined my reasons for disagreeing the Biden strike and that's one shared by many Democrats. Come back when you've learned about it. I've offerered my reasons against it, now you need to tell me your reasons for, or there isn't a discussion to be had.

Past American military history isn't relavent to this thread. The Rwandan Genocide isn't the gotcha moment you think it is. Another huge subject you've only taken a cursory glance at. I'm happy to discuss that via pm if you'd like? I'm not sure the mods would allow it to continue here.

Curse These Metal Hands

weisses wrote: »

Yeah you need to add context when you say "Syria was bombed"

Laos was bombed by the US



270 million bombs were dropped

Biden ordered a precision airstrike on a small compound near the Iraq border

Context

Still a bombing by definition. Show me otherwise.

Curse These Metal Hands

Curse These Metal Hands wrote: »

Is your position seriously "I don't know anything about this but neither do you?"

My position is "no one should be angry about something they don't know anything about", yes. Seems reasonable to me.

Curse These Metal Hands wrote: »

I've outlined by reasons for disagreeing the Biden strike and that's one shared by many Democrats.

You have? Care to point me to the post with those reasons? You've said that Libyan intervention may or may not have been justified. I have not read anything posted by you which explains why you would feel that the justification of that intervention is debatable but Syrian intervention is not only not debatable but definitely wrong. Would you care to point me to this post that I must have missed?

Curse These Metal Hands

[Deleted User] wrote: »

My position is "no one should be angry about something they don't know anything about", yes. Seems reasonable to me.



You have? Care to point me to the post with those reasons? You've said that Libyan intervention may or may not have been justified. I have not read anything posted by you which explains why you would feel that the justification of that intervention is debatable but Syrian intervention is not only not debatable but definitely wrong. Would you care to point me to this post that I must have missed?

You quoted it earlier re: diplomacy and potential peace deals. A position shared by many Democrats and Biden supporters, but I guess they don't know anything either. Do me a favour, read up on the strike, then let's discuss further. Otherwise it's pointless. You're just upset that someone criticised Biden, that's really the crux of it.

weisses

Curse These Metal Hands wrote: »

Still a bombing by definition. Show me otherwise.

It was a bombing in Syria correct ...But Syria wasn't bombed when you use the correct context... The compound was bombed would be the correct sentence to use

Curse These Metal Hands

weisses wrote: »

It was a bombing in Syria correct ...But Syria wasn't bombed when you use the correct context... The compound was bombed would be the correct sentence to use

Haha! OK. America bombed the Syrian compound in the country of Syria then. Much better. Was it justified?

Curse These Metal Hands

Curse These Metal Hands wrote: »

You quoted it earlier re: diplomacy and potential peace deals. A position shared by many Democrats and Biden supporters, but I guess they don't know anything either. Do me a favour, read up on the strike, then let's discuss further. Otherwise it's pointless.

I'm aware of what is going on in Syria don't worry. Just like you, I however don't know the details about this particular strike. You seem to be getting confused about the point I was making.

So why is it that that you believe that Libyan interventions are debatably justified but Syrian interventions are not, even though the same reasons can be used for both?

Curse These Metal Hands

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I'm aware of what is going on in Syria don't worry. Just like you, I however don't know the details about this particular strike. You seem to be getting confused about the point I was making.

So why is it that that you believe that Libyan interventions are debatably justified but Syrian interventions are not, even though the same reasons can be used for both?

Just go read about it then. Why are you refusing to? You can deflect all you like, but just read about it then we can discuss further.

Timberrrrrrrr

Curse These Metal Hands wrote: »

Haha! OK. America bombed the Syrian compound in the country of Syria then. Much better. Was it justified?

Yes, it was justified. Should Biden have done nothing after Americans were injured in an earlier attack you would be here saying he is soft on the ME. He really can't win when it comes to Trump supporters.

Curse These Metal Hands

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Yes, it was justified. Should Biden have done nothing after Americans were injured in an earlier attack you would be here saying he is soft on the ME. He really can't win when it comes to Trump supporters.

Do you guys operate as a tag team? Why do you keep saying I'm a Trump supporter?

Curse These Metal Hands

Curse These Metal Hands wrote: »

Just go read about it then. Why are you refusing to?

I just said that I'm fully aware of the details of what is going on in Syria and Libya.

Are you suggesting that the reason Libya is debatable and Syria is not is because you've looked into the details of each individual strike in both countries and determined that none of the strikes in Syria were justified but some of the strikes in Libya may have been justified?

Wow, that must have taken you years! Have you published your findings?

Curse These Metal Hands

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I just said that I'm fully aware of the details of what is going on in Syria and Libya.

Are you suggesting that the reason Libya is debatable and Syria is not is because you've looked into the details of each individual strike in both countries and determined that none of the strikes in Syria were justified but some of the strikes in Libya may have been justified?

Wow, that must have taken you years! Have you published your findings?

Read about the strike, and come back to me. You're deliberately avoiding it. You like to throw questions at me about unrelated matters but this whole discussion is about the Biden strike. So it's basic manners to read about it.

Curse These Metal Hands

Curse These Metal Hands wrote: »

Read about the strike, and come back to me. You're deliberately avoiding it.

The strike? I thought you said none of the strikes in Syria were justified? How have you determined all of these strikes were not justified?

You've dodged countless countless questions asking you why specific Syrian strikes were not justified, and the only answers you have given is "yeah but there was a chance of peace and stuff" or "no you tell me why it is justified instead". You clearly know nothing about it.

Curse These Metal Hands

[Deleted User] wrote: »

The strike? I thought you said none of the strikes in Syria were justified? How have you determined all of these strikes were not justified?

You've dodged countless countless questions asking you why specific Syrian strikes were not justified, and the only answers you have given is "yeah but there was a chance of peace and stuff" or "no you tell me why it is justified instead". You clearly know nothing about it.

None of them are justifiable in my opinion but this thread is about Biden, we are discussing Biden and you started replying to me based on my comments about Biden's strike. Others have had the stones to say they agree with strike, why can't you? Because you don't know enough about you say, well read up on it.

My views remain the same as many Democrats who are disillusioned by military action, however. You just don't want to hear anything negative about Biden, full stop. I agree he's a massive imrovement on Trump, but tone down the idolising.

There isn't really a discussion to be had until you voice an opinion about the Biden strike, on the Biden thread. You keep throwing out irrelevant tangents and expecting me to answer them, I'm not going to because it's going to lead to a mod warning, which I'm starting to think is your aim.