What does the future hold for Donald Trump? - threadbans in OP

nolivesmatter

everlast75 wrote: »

Saying goodbye to Lou, in the only way that's appropriate..

https://twitter.com/TheDailyShow/status/1358936400213643265?s=19

It's impressive how he managed to remain so impartial during his time there.

Tippex

Tell me how wrote: »

What's the betting that the focus on all Republican contributions throughout the senate trial will be that it is unconstitutional to impeach a removed President.
They can pin use this to both profess their undying faith in the Constitution of the United States of America, and to absolve them from not voting to impeach.

And once he is voted to not be impeached with this logic, his supporters and media will use it to say that he has been absolved entirely.

There's something depressingly inevitable about it.

It seems the constitutionality will be voted on today. (this apparently only requires a simple majority)
The initial presentation is pretty damning (which we all knew it would be).

everlast75

https://twitter.com/JoaquinCastrotx/status/1359206179793211406?s=19

Tell me how

Tippex wrote: »

It seems the constitutionality will be voted on today. (this apparently only requires a simple majority)
The initial presentation is pretty damning (which we all knew it would be).

Yeah, I'm thinking that it will be passed that it is constitutional to impeach him. But they won't have the numbers to actually impeach him in the trial itself.

Neguse is a good speaker. Better than Raskin.

everlast75

House managers' video here...

https://twitter.com/ProjectLincoln/status/1359214044977254401?s=19

Leroy42

everlast75 wrote: »

House managers' video here...

https://twitter.com/ProjectLincoln/status/1359214044977254401?s=19

Even the GOP aren't claiming he is innocent. They are claiming that its too late, or failing that it doesn't matter, or if it does matter its time to move on.

12gauge dave

Is it not a win win situation for Donald Trump?

Democrats won't get the votes and he walks with his full pension and perks in place.

Its a badly needed victory for Donald trump after a hard few months and can be presented to his followers as such.

I'm failing to see how he doesn't walk away the winner from this?

threeball

everlast75 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/JoaquinCastrotx/status/1359206179793211406?s=19

First time I've seen the full extent of the capitol riots. Fairly shocking stuff. If that happened in Eastern Europe the yanks would be crowing about the fall of democracy and wanting to send some troops to restore it. Now half of them think its justified.

Penn

12gauge dave wrote: »

Is it not a win win situation for Donald Trump?

Democrats won't get the votes and he walks with his full pension and perks in place.

Its a badly needed victory for Donald trump after a hard few months and can be presented to his followers as such.

I'm failing to see how he doesn't walk away the winner from this?

It's about more than Trump. GOP senators will have to nail their flags to the mast one way or the other. Whatever way they vote will be used against them in the next elections (mid-terms for some, 2024 for others). They risk either losing part of their own base, or losing independents.

bewareofthedog

Tell me how wrote: »

This is one for the 'Both sides are as bad as each other' advocates.

Genuinely vomit inducing.

astrofool

12gauge dave wrote: »

Is it not a win win situation for Donald Trump?

Democrats won't get the votes and he walks with his full pension and perks in place.

Its a badly needed victory for Donald trump after a hard few months and can be presented to his followers as such.

I'm failing to see how he doesn't walk away the winner from this?

If this was the case, the GOP wouldn't be trying so hard to shut it down. This allows all the dirty laundry, all the crackpot ideas to be spouted, and the GOP senators then have to vote for it, and then live with voting for it personally and electorally for the rest of their days.

They will be those that voted to allow insurrection, voters won't be allowed to forget that.

trump is a spent force, even a re-run would probably lead to a worse result against Biden, if he even lives that long.

12gauge dave

astrofool wrote: »

If this was the case, the GOP wouldn't be trying so hard to shut it down. This allows all the dirty laundry, all the crackpot ideas to be spouted, and the GOP senators then have to vote for it, and then live with voting for it personally and electorally for the rest of their days.

They will be those that voted to allow insurrection, voters won't be allowed to forget that.

trump is a spent force, even a re-run would probably lead to a worse result against Biden, if he even lives that long.

Yes I agree with you it's a nightmare for the GOP senators 100 percent.

But would you not agree that Donald trump is going to come out of this in a much stronger position than he went in?

His followers will see it as a victory against the Democrats and twice they tried to get him twice he's proved they were wrong?

With to regards to wether he's a spent force in politics I personally agree with you at this current moment but do the 74 million Americans who voted for him agree?

12gauge dave

12gauge dave wrote: »

Yes I agree with you it's a nightmare for the GOP senators 100 percent.

But would you not agree that Donald trump is going to come out of this in a much stronger position than he went in?

His followers will see it as a victory against the Democrats and twice they tried to get him twice he's proved they were wrong?

Not really, he's ending his presidency with scandal. Public opinion towards him is worse than ever and in general, people will continue to view him as egging on the coup. He won't be running in 2024 for the GOP and he won't win as an independent. So he's not going to be president again.

12gauge dave

12gauge dave wrote: »

With to regards to wether he's a spent force in politics I personally agree with you at this current moment but do the 74 million Americans who voted for him agree?

One in three Republicans believe that the election was fair, i.e. one in three Republicans think that Trump is a compulsive liar, and that number is growing with time now that Republicans have had had time to think for themselves. So, yes Trump is a spent force.

https://morningconsult.com/form/tracking-voter-trust-in-elections/

Sweetemotion

Deleted User wrote: »

One in three Republicans believe that the election was fair, i.e. one in three Republicans think that Trump is a compulsive liar, and that number is growing with time now that Republicans have had had time to think for themselves. So, yes Trump is a spent force.

https://morningconsult.com/form/tracking-voter-trust-in-elections/

It's literally not my opinion. I provided the source, namely a survey from an ongoing research project.

Sweetemotion

Deleted User wrote: »

It's literally not my opinion. I provided the source, namely a survey from an ongoing research project.

I see nothing in that source, claiming one in three republicans think Trump is a compulsive liar.

everlast75

https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1359263036616314880?s=19

hotmail.com

Impeachment, impeachment trial, a second impeachment, and another impeachment trial.

All with no outcome, no substantive effect.

No future president has anything to fear with impeachements.

Sweetemotion

Sweetemotion wrote: »

I see nothing in that source, claiming one in three republicans think Trump is a compulsive liar.

He tweeted that the election was rigged, that he would have won if the election was fair etc. You cannot believe that the election was fair without also believing that he is a compulsive liar.

hotmail.com

hotmail.com wrote: »

Impeachment, impeachment trial, a second impeachment, and another impeachment trial.

All with no outcome, no substantive effect.

No future president has anything to fear with impeachements.

Do you have tomorrow's lotto numbers handy?

hotmail.com

hotmail.com wrote: »

Impeachment, impeachment trial, a second impeachment, and another impeachment trial.

All with no outcome, no substantive effect.

No future president has anything to fear with impeachements.

Do you believe any past president did?

Sweetemotion

Deleted User wrote: »

He tweeted that the election was rigged, that he would have won if the election was fair etc. You cannot believe that the election was fair without also believing that he is a compulsive liar.

In your source, one in three of all voters also believe that the election was not free and fair.

extra gravy

Sweetemotion wrote: »

In your source, one in three of all voters also believe that the election was not free and fair.

Yeah because they were dumb enough to believe a compulsive liar.

Sweetemotion

Sweetemotion wrote: »

In your source, one in three of all voters also believe that the election was not free and fair.

Yes, and what does that have to with what you said about compulsive lying? Or have you decided to completely change the topic?

everlast75

https://twitter.com/jchaltiwanger/status/1359271668544393216?s=20


The impeachment was worth it for that alone then so

Sweetemotion

Deleted User wrote: »

Yes, and what does that have to with what you said about compulsive lying? Or have you decided to completely change the topic?

One in three of all voters, Trumps your claims of one in three of republicans.

Sweetemotion

Sweetemotion wrote: »

One in three of all voters, Trumps your claims of one in three of republicans.

What is the point you are trying to make? Someone asked if Trump is done in politics, I pointed out that yes he is because roughly one third (32%) of republicans don't trust him. I'm not sure what the opinions of Americans as a whole has to do with the question that was asked.

everlast75

https://twitter.com/Acosta/status/1359266906574880773?s=19

I have that quote from Mortal Kombat in my head...

"Finish him!"

Sweetemotion

[Deleted User] wrote: »

What is the point you are trying to make? Someone asked if Trump is done in politics, I pointed out that yes he is because roughly one third (32%) of republicans don't trust him. I'm not sure what the opinions of Americans as a whole has to do with the question that was asked.

My point is, I think your wrong, and proven by the source you linked.