Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VIII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

Galwayguy35

This Sam McConkey lad was on The Last Word and he said we will have to stick it out for another 3 to 5 years.

He can get fooked if he thinks people will heed that kind of talk.

Silentcorner

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

This Sam McConkey lad was on The Last Word and he said we will have to stick it out for another 3 to 5 years.

He can get fooked if he thinks people will heed that kind of talk.

Absolutely.

Who actually still believes this is about our Health System?

suicide_circus

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

This Sam McConkey lad was on The Last Word and he said we will have to stick it out for another 3 to 5 years.

That's the kind of talk that could have some people on the edge taking extreme measures.

Graham

Silentcorner wrote: »

Who actually still believes this is about our Health System?

What's your theory?

Allinall

Hellrazer wrote: »

I was very close to making a comment about Leo but Ill just say we only have ourselves to blame. We need a Dutch style protest (obviously with social distancing) to give our overlords a bit of a fright.

How would it give them a fright?

Has anything changed in The Netherlands?

Silentcorner

Graham wrote: »

What's your theory?

I don't have a theory.

McConkey spoke about 3 to 5 years of this.

When no one is suggesting we expand certain health services capacity to cope with surges in the future to ensure we aren't subjected to the most inhumane and economically damaging government policy ever witnessed then you know it has nothing to do with the health service.

average_runner

2021 is write off now. Countries are tightening their borders while we are clueless.

UK wont get back to normal till.after the summer at least. Big running event to be in in june now cancelled.

UK getting proactive on foreign travel.

South African variant be here soon. Lockdown 4 coming

growleaves

Graham do you really think six years of 'flattening the curve to protect the health system' is a goer?

Like Silentcorner said, are we claiming that ICU capacity can not be expanded over a timeline of six years?

If we are still in lockdown in 2026 then I think its perhaps worth considering that something is amiss.

growleaves

The third variant of the third wave. So in 2024 we'll be where exactly - the seventh wave and the sixteenth variant?

There were 24 weeks of restrictions in a handful of US cities in 1918-19.

If we spend years in a prison-like existence it can only because people either want to (some sort of death wish?) or are afraid to push back against it.

alentejo

Looks like we will look back fondly at 2020 at this stage. The more politicians talk about this year, the more long running restrictions loom.

supremenovice

Lets say we expand the ICU capacity to 1,000. Does that mean we can run a muck and have 20,000 cases a day because we have plenty of capacity to let people go to within an inch of dying? Expanding the health service doesn't solve Covid19

growleaves

Think of what people would be forced to say if Sam McConkey's upper estimate is correct: 'Er stop being so selfish, you're only being asked to stay in and watch Netflix for six years'

Doesn't really work rhetorically, does it?

growleaves

supremenovice wrote: »

Lets say we expand the ICU capacity to 1,000. Does that mean we can run a muck and have 20,000 cases a day because we have plenty of capacity to let people go to within an inch of dying? Expanding the health service doesn't solve Covid19

Run amuck?

Mate do you realise that you're essentially asking the whole country to commit suicide in the name of 'hospital management'?

How can we lock down for 6 or 10 years? We can't

Cork2021

Haven’t posted here in ages as trying to stick with positive news etc..
Just read the IT article there about varadkar saying we’ll have restrictions well into next year.
What a fûcking idiot! This country will not and cannot keep businesses shut and or have our sporting organisations go bust! I just can’t understand all of this rhetoric coming from government, some of the mad scientists McDonkey et al!
I’d rather they just set out a plan for reopening all of society and I mean all of it. This fannying about opening restaurants and not pubs, crowds at outdoor sporting events, family’s meeting up. If and I know we will get all of the vulnerable and HCW all fully vaccinated by the end of April middle of May we should be boosting our economy from June! Get the place opened up! I still know there will be some crowd restrictions until as such time we do get the 70/80% vaccinated but that’s hopefully at the end of September start of October.
Hopefully as well we’d have some surplus vaccines to send abroad to the poorest countries and have enlightened here then to start giving them to anyone who wants one that couldn’t or wouldn’t at the time.
Our case numbers are coming down, we’ll beat NPHETS target of 200-300 cases by the end of February hospitalisations will be lower then the 800 predicted and so will icu. Vaccines will start making inroads in the next few weeks and will hopefully help stop the unfortunate deaths that are occurring. It’s a sad day every time you hear the number of deaths. We are not far from announcing zero deaths, few months time we’ll see a totally different spiel from the likes of Varadkar when he realises there’s been no hospitalisations for a few weeks and no deaths in weeks as well.
And for the doommongers **** material the covid variants the vaccines will STILL WORK!!!

FintanMcluskey

growleaves wrote: »

Run amuck?

Mate do you realise that you're essentially asking the whole country to commit suicide in the name of 'hospital management'?

How can lock down for 6 or 10 years? We can't

Is there any chance or case for treating some of the 1200 people currently in hospital at home?

Are those people only being administered fluids and under obs in general wards, or exactly how cost effective is treating those in hospital and putting other patients and nurses at risk?

Or perhaps those in hospital but not in ICU are in grave need of ICU or critical care

ypres5

growleaves wrote: »

Run amuck?

Mate do you realise that you're essentially asking the whole country to commit suicide in the name of 'hospital management'?

How can lock down for 6 or 10 years? We can't

once i wouldve believed that the government would step in for the sake of the economy and people's sanity but now I don't know. has anyone found what couch pascal donohue is hiding under

PTH2009

growleaves wrote: »

How can we lock down for 6 or 10 years? We can't

People are already going nuts in this Lockdown and I can't imagine what it will be like in the next few weeks when we're been told 'more lockdowns on the way, no holidays' and all that

Our leaders having the bants today

supremenovice

growleaves wrote: »

Run amuck?

Mate do you realise that you're essentially asking the whole country to commit suicide in the name of 'hospital management'?

How can we lock down for 6 or 10 years? We can't

Maybe run a muck was the wrong phrase, I mean a fully functioning society and economy with no restrictions. Greater bed capacity to allow people become seriously ill can not be a solution to this. What about long-term covid effects of survivors, not to mention the stress on family and friends of people in ICU? I heard that Sam McConkey interview earlier and I hope is wrong and we dont need 3-5 years of restrictions but I'd be inclined to listen to a virology expert like him rather than Jim Corr or Michael O'Leary.

average_runner

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Is there any chance or case for treating some of the 1200 people currently in hospital at home?

Are those people only being administered fluids and under obs in general wards, or exactly how cost effective is treating those in hospital and putting other patients and nurses at risk?

Or perhaps those in hospital but not in ICU are in grave need of ICU or critical care

Well since most are old and probably living with another old person or on their own, its doubtful

Captain_Crash

supremenovice wrote: »

Greater bed capacity to allow people become seriously ill can not be a solution to this.

Not to be captain obvious, but isn’t this was hospitals are for?

Hmob

Niall collins - tonite show

"Public health advice overrides everything"

growleaves

supremenovice wrote: »

Maybe run a muck was the wrong phrase, I mean a fully functioning society and economy with no restrictions. Greater bed capacity to allow people become seriously ill can not be a solution to this. What about long-term covid effects of survivors, not to mention the stress on family and friends of people in ICU? I heard that Sam McConkey interview earlier and I hope is wrong and we dont need 3-5 years of restrictions but I'd be inclined to listen to a virology expert like him rather than Jim Corr or Michael O'Leary.

Virology experts are not the masters of all our lives, separating us from our families and friends, preventing weddings and new families from forming for the guts of a decade. Its literally insane to ask anyone to go along with that. 'Long Covid' and the realisation that you can't live forever don't begin to justify it.

FintanMcluskey

supremenovice wrote: »

Maybe run a muck was the wrong phrase, I mean a fully functioning society and economy with no restrictions. Greater bed capacity to allow people become seriously ill can not be a solution to this. What about long-term covid effects of survivors, not to mention the stress on family and friends of people in ICU? I heard that Sam McConkey interview earlier and I hope is wrong and we dont need 3-5 years of restrictions but I'd be inclined to listen to a virology expert like him rather than Jim Corr or Michael O'Leary.

If I thought 5 year long restrictions like we seen in Ireland over the past year was likely, I would have to reconsider my motivation to actually get up and work every day.

To put it bluntly, my life is not a vocation dedicated only to protect and provide for the elderly or those obese with related disease’s.

Young fit people have a minimal chance of getting severely sick from this, the majority of those won’t know they have it.

Silentcorner

Silentcorner wrote: »

I don't have a theory.

McConkey spoke about 3 to 5 years of this.

When no one is suggesting we expand certain health services capacity to cope with surges in the future to ensure we aren't subjected to the most inhumane and economically damaging government policy ever witnessed then you know it has nothing to do with the health service.

Sam mcconkey wants it to go for 3-5 years because otherwise no one will be talking about Sam McConkey. Government aren’t listening to him, so talking to Matt Cooper is all he has

Silentcorner

Deleted User wrote: »

Sam mcconkey wants it to go for 3-5 years because otherwise no one will be talking about Sam McConkey. Government aren’t listening to him, so talking to Matt Cooper is all he has

Is there any member of Government talking about expanding capacity in hospitals as part of a broader strategy to avoid inhumane and economically damaging lockdowns in the future?

Hmob

Silentcorner wrote: »

Is there any member of Government talking about expanding capacity in hospitals as part of a broader strategy to avoid inhumane and economically damaging lockdowns in the future?

Doesn't seem to be part of the thinking

Prob want to avoid ICU numbers rising above present capacity

RobitTV

Irish Times Exclusive - Leo Varadkar: ‘I want to make sure this pandemic is a lost year or so, not a lost decade’ :pac:

Key points:

- Varadkar: There will be some form of restrictions at least until the end of the year if not well into next year

- "There will be a concern about a fourth wave of some sort next winter and there will be huge caution about allowing mass gatherings until we get through another winter. That’s a hard message to sell and not what people want to hear but I think it’s better to be honest about these things.”

- He says it will be “some time next year” before we will see full houses again in Croke Park or the Aviva stadium.

- “My best guess is that we’ll have a relatively normal summer in that the shops will be open, personal services will be open and domestic tourism will be a real possibility. And potentially outdoor gatherings of 10 to 15 people, maybe even 50 but nothing beyond that.

Irish Times

Hmob

What's the thinking about packed stadiums whent they happen

SD will be out, but will there be mask wearing

SnuggyBear

RobitTV wrote: »

Irish Times Exclusive - Leo Varadkar: ‘I want to make sure this pandemic is a lost year or so, not a lost decade’ :pac:

Key points:

- Varadkar: There will be some form of restrictions at least until the end of the year if not well into next year

- "There will be a concern about a fourth wave of some sort next winter and there will be huge caution about allowing mass gatherings until we get through another winter. That’s a hard message to sell and not what people want to hear but I think it’s better to be honest about these things.”

- He says it will be “some time next year” before we will see full houses again in Croke Park or the Aviva stadium.

- “My best guess is that we’ll have a relatively normal summer in that the shops will be open, personal services will be open and domestic tourism will be a real possibility. And potentially outdoor gatherings of 10 to 15 people, maybe even 50 but nothing beyond that.

Irish Times

Well that's very grim isn't it

RobitTV

I'm sorry to have to report that really grim news. It's going to be a whopping blow for many people who have been struggling since last year.