Hassled in work over toilet breaks?

Khumatmibro

I'm currently working part time in a large Irish supermarket. Was called up to the office yesterday regarding my trips to the toilet where they proceeded to tell me how many times and for how long I used the toilet last weekend. I'm not sure if this is legal to begin with as that information could have only been confirmed via CCTV.

I usually go to the toilet at most 2-3 times over an 8 hour shift and no for no longer than 20 minutes at a time. I really can't help it, anytime I eat I usually have to do a number 2 within the next hour or two. Is there any law I can point refer to in order to stop them harassing me in work.

Sonic the Shaghog

Yet you said in another thread you'd covid over the last week, so you were working while having symptoms?

Vestiapx

Khumatmibro wrote: »

I'm currently working part time in a large Irish supermarket. Was called up to the office yesterday regarding my trips to the toilet where they proceeded to tell me how many times and for how long I used the toilet last weekend. I'm not sure if this is legal to begin with as that information could have only been confirmed via CCTV.

I usually go to the toilet at most 2-3 times over an 8 hour shift and no for no longer than 20 minutes at a time. I really can't help it, anytime I eat I usually have to do a number 2 within the next hour or two. Is there any law I can point refer to in order to stop them harassing me in work.

That's an hour a day I take it you do this outside your breaks as otherwise it wouldn't be an issue.

While I can see that your employer might not like it if you were there a year it would be tough shxt but on a health note if you are going 9 times a day you need a medical person to check out you and your diet.

Foweva Awone

Maybe a doctors letter might help? 20 minutes is quite excessive for a loo break!

FintanMcluskey

So you spend an hour in the jacks each day?

Khumatmibro

Vestiapx wrote: »

That's an hour a day I take it you do this outside your breaks as otherwise it wouldn't be an issue.

While I can see that your employer might not like it if you were there a year it would be tough shxt but on a health note if you are going 9 times a day you need a medical person to check out you and your diet.

Never more than 3 times. I honestly have no problem going during my breaks but it just never falls that way. I usually eat at the beginning of my break and tend to need to go anywhere from 60-90 minutes after.

Vestiapx

Sonic the Shaghog wrote: »

Yet you said in another thread you'd covid over the last week, so you were working while having symptoms?

Hey op if you developed symptoms a week ago then why are you in work yesterday?

Khumatmibro

Foweva Awone wrote: »

Maybe a doctors letter might help? 20 minutes is quite excessive for a loo break!

Is it really? From co-workers using stalls beside me it doesn't seem excessive.

Sadb

3 poos in 8 hours definitely sounds excessive! Maybe it’s a doctor you need to see.

Khumatmibro

Sadb wrote: »

3 poos in 8 hours definitely sounds excessive! Maybe it’s a doctor you need to see.

I will maybe check with the doctor but I'm not really concerned with my diet. I purposely eat a lot of fiber as it tends to be an area most people are lacking.

Khumatmibro

Vestiapx wrote: »

Hey op if you developed symptoms a week ago then why are you in work yesterday?

Feeling better now thank god

punisher5112

If you went 2 to 3 times at say 20 minutes a pop then you would be in the toilet for the hole 8 hours of a shift.

Good job op keep up the boul movement and remember to flush and wash your hands, no point thought till when you are clocking out....

Khumatmibro

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

So you spend an hour in the jacks each day?

Well to be fair I'm certainly one of the better workers on the floor and I don't stand around chatting in the stockroom unlike some of the staff. I'm willing to bet the majority spend at least an hour each day up there and that's without adding up toilet breaks too.

punisher5112

Khumatmibro wrote: »

Feeling better now thank god

I'm sure you would have been delighted to be off for 14 days

Khumatmibro

punisher5112 wrote: »

If you went 2 to 3 times at say 20 minutes a pop then you would be in the toilet for the hole 8 hours of a shift.

Good job op keep up the boul movement and remember to flush and wash your hands, no point thought till when you are clocking out....

Maths certainly isn't your strong point is it? Nor spelling for that matter ..

punisher5112

Khumatmibro wrote: »

Well to be fair I'm certainly one of the better workers on the floor and I don't stand around chatting in the stockroom unlike some of the staff. I'm willing to bet the majority spend at least an hour each day up there and that's without adding up toilet breaks too.

So they still do more work then you, surprised they still thought you worked there, one would need to actually do work to be a worker....

Khumatmibro

punisher5112 wrote: »

So they still do more work then you, surprised they still thought you worked there, one would need to actually do work to be a worker....

You obviously need to re-read my post.

Khumatmibro

Khumatmibro wrote: »

Well to be fair I'm certainly one of the better workers on the floor and I don't stand around chatting in the stockroom unlike some of the staff. I'm willing to bet the majority spend at least an hour each day up there and that's without adding up toilet breaks too.

In relation to cctv, as long as your employer makes you aware of its existence, that isn’t a problem. It’s highly unlikely there is a camera in the restrooms. They don’t need a camera in the toilets, to know you are going to the toilet for an hour a day. 20 mins, is a lot of that reading your phone?

SteM

Khumatmibro wrote: »

I will maybe check with the doctor but I'm not really concerned with my diet. I purposely eat a lot of fiber as it tends to be an area most people are lacking.

You're eating a lot of fibre but it takes you 20 minutes for a toilet visit? Explain how it's possible to sit in the loo for 20 minutes having a fibre-rich diet. You're obviously in there on your phone or something.

Khumatmibro

Dav010 wrote: »

In relation to cctv, as long as your employer makes you aware of its existence, that isn’t a problem. They don’t need a camera in the toilets, to know you are going to the toilet for an hour a day. 20 mins, is a lot of that reading your phone?

No I'm not claiming there's cameras in the toilets it's just the security man spends more time watching us than watching the bloody shop. I didn't think it was legal as the signs say the CCTV is to prevent theft.

Vestiapx

Khumatmibro wrote: »

Feeling better now thank god

But you have to self isolate for 14 days !!

Sonic the Shaghog

punisher5112 wrote: »

60 minutes in an hour....
You go 2 or mostly 3 times in said 60 minutes....

That's minimum 40 minutes and mostly 60 minutes so you had better figure that out fast....

Whole is the correct spelling but I put the other in as a pun but obviously the Sh1t has gone to ones brains

Not that I believe the OP at all but it said 2-3 over the 8 hours, not per hour

Khumatmibro

2-3 times max over a shift not every hour.

Khumatmibro

Khumatmibro wrote: »

No I'm not claiming there's cameras in the toilets it's just the security man spends more time watching us than watching the bloody shop. I didn't think it was legal as the signs say the CCTV is to prevent theft.

Employees have been known to thieve as well.

Andrew00

20 mins in the toilet each time ? Blimey

Khumatmibro

SteM wrote: »

You're eating a lot of fibre but it takes you 20 minutes for a toilet visit? Explain how it's possible to sit in the loo for 20 minutes having a fibre-rich diet. You're obviously in there on your phone or something.

Well I can guarantee you I'm eating roughly 5g of fibre per 1000kcals.

I'm not sitting on my phone, we are a busy store and I certainly don't have time for that.

punisher5112

Sonic the Shaghog wrote: »

Not that I believe the OP at all but it said 2-3 over the 8 hours, not per hour

Right I stand corrected... I honestly thought we were in after hours, was only having a laugh as I said.

Op my bad honest thought it was 2 or 3 times an hour.

duffman13

Dav010 wrote: »

In relation to cctv, as long as your employer makes you aware of its existence, that isn’t a problem. It’s highly unlikely there is a camera in the restrooms. They don’t need a camera in the toilets, to know you are going to the toilet for an hour a day. 20 mins, is a lot of that reading your phone?

They have to make it aware to the employee what the CCTV is used for.

As much as I disagree with the OPs number of toilet breaks, using the CCTV to track toilet movements is outside of the scope of what they should be used for. Any decent HR person wouldn't go anywhere near a disciplinary using CCTV footage like this

hurikane

Didn’t realise trolls had such fibre rich diets.

Khumatmibro

Dav010 wrote: »

Employees have been known to thieve as well.

Fair point but we don't tend to store stock in the toilets lol

JeffKenna

Are you doing anything extra curricular in the bathroom that you need 20 mins?

Khumatmibro

JeffKenna wrote: »

Are you doing anything extra curricular in the bathroom that you need 20 mins?

No it takes a couple of minutes before I can go.

NATLOR

OP had/has covid but was working
Has a fibre rich diet but needs 20 mins in the toilet each visit
Troll

Doctors room ghost

hurikane wrote: »

Didn’t realise trolls had such fibre rich diets.

Walter mitty thread.

Doctors room ghost

NATLOR wrote: »

OP had/has covid but was working
Has a fibre rich diet but needs 20 mins in the toilet each visit
Troll

And the week in McDonald’s.
Utter sh1te

Khumatmibro

Anyway this thread is getting off topic, I'm not here to discuss my diet or work ethic (both of which are excellent). I'm simply asking does my employer have any right to challenge me about using the toilet?

Esse85

What if your employer said they were docking you an hours pay for every 8 hr shift you do?
Would you be ok with that?

Your employer is paying for you to work, not spend an hour in the toilets.

Lucifer

I would say 4g is likely your problem

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobile_phone_jammer

This might help

duffman13

duffman13 wrote: »

They have to make it aware to the employee what the CCTV is used for.

As much as I disagree with the OPs number of toilet breaks, using the CCTV to track toilet movements is outside of the scope of what they should be used for. Any decent HR person wouldn't go anywhere near a disciplinary using CCTV footage like this

I’d say you are probably right, but cctv can also be used to check if employees are stealing, an employee missing from the work floor for 20 mins 3 times per day would no doubt raise suspicions about their behaviour.

Quackster

Khumatmibro wrote: »

Feeling better now thank god

You do realise you HAVE to self-isolate until it's been at least ten days since you first developed symptoms..??

Khumatmibro

Dav010 wrote: »

I’d say you are probably right, but cctv can also be used to check if employees are stealing, an employee missing from the work floor for 20 mins 3 times per day would no doubt raise suspicions about their behaviour.

I might bring this up if they try to progress any further than a written warning, thanks.

jaxxx

Khumatmibro wrote: »

Anyway this thread is getting off topic, I'm not here to discuss my diet or work ethic (both of which are excellent). I'm simply asking does my employer have any right to challenge me about using the toilet?

You're spending 40 to 60 minutes each day in the toilet that's outside your legal break entitlements: wtf do you think?

RandomViewer

Khumatmibro wrote: »

No I'm not claiming there's cameras in the toilets it's just the security man spends more time watching us than watching the bloody shop. I didn't think it was legal as the signs say the CCTV is to prevent theft.

Someone spending a large percentage of their shift on the pot is theft, they are being paid but not working, employer will likely send you to a doctor of their choosing to be assessed, if you refuse they can sack you

SteM

Khumatmibro wrote: »

Fair point but we don't tend to store stock in the toilets lol

You're storing plenty of 'stock' in the toilets from the sounds of it.

This thread is obviously a wind up.

Khumatmibro

RandomViewer wrote: »

Someone spending a large percentage of their shift on the pot is theft, they are being paid but not working, employer will likely send you to a doctor of their choosing to be assessed, if you refuse they can sack you

I will gladly go to the doctor as long as it is paid for and my shift is paid for.

Esse85

You've no proof cctv had anything to do with this.

It's most likely your colleagues reported you for constantly going missing and not doing your work.

Khumatmibro

Khumatmibro wrote: »

I will gladly go to the doctor as long as it is paid for and my shift is paid for.

Employers don’t have to pay sick leave unless it said so in your contract.

Sadb

Khumatmibro wrote: »

I will gladly go to the doctor as long as it is paid for and my shift is paid for.

It was already paid for!

Khumatmibro

Esse85 wrote: »

You've no proof cctv had anything to do with this.

It's most likely your colleagues reported you for constantly going missing and not doing your work.

It's well known that the CCTV is used to catch staff talking etc. Most of my colleagues know I am a great worker and wouldn't report me for something trivial like that, especially when most of them spend ages chatting in the stockroom instead of packing like they are supposed to.

RandomViewer

You have to remember that while you are off for an hour someone else has to take up your slack, in the end up nobody will want to work alongside you

Esse85

Esse85 wrote: »

You've no proof cctv had anything to do with this.

It's most likely your colleagues reported you for constantly going missing and not doing your work.

You would think a manager/supervisor would notice if someone is missing an hour per day.