Ireland is a pretend football country

weldoninhio · 19-01-2021 12:56pm

FTA69 wrote: »

I remember reading an article before that laid the problem facing us. Irish soccer is still geared toward the English leagues, and we send over umpteen teenagers every year for trials. These teenagers are often far behind their counterparts in other countries in terms of training hours and physical development. Something ridiculous like 95% of these teenagers wash out after a year and the vast majority of them never play soccer again. On top of that the Premier League can now draw players from all over the world, Africa and the like, which just wasn’t the case in the 1990s to the same degree.

Where we should be cultivating our young papers in a domestic league we end up scrapheaping them in England at a very young age. On top of that the domestic league is poorly managed by the FAI and unfortunately poorly supported by the majority of Irish soccer “fans”.

I’m not an expert on soccer by any means but it’s an analysis that made a lot of sense to me.

Brexit has brought the PL back to where it was in the 90s. Massive red tape to bring players in from abroad.

Bobblehats · 19-01-2021 1:05pm

Did you smash it wrote: »

I would say about Dalymount and 6k being adequate... people don’t seem to understand that is you have a new stadium with good facilities that that becomes an attraction bigger than the football for a lot of people.

Does everyone who goes dog racing be enchanted by the spectacle of dogs chasing a mechanic hare.

I only went to the dogs for the scampi & chips. Better be good tucker is all I can say! Fancy crappers, etc. Pints that pull themselves? Can’t see them flocking to the library...

weldoninhio · 19-01-2021 1:26pm

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

I remember hearing about this bloody stadium upgrade in the 90s, it will never happen.

Hopefully. It’s great to see Woke FC play in a crumbling stadium.

EmmetSpiceland · 19-01-2021 1:27pm

Breezin wrote: »

We've multiplied our attendances by a factor of 3 or 4 over the last few seasons, with many sellout games. I've seen no one objecting. We even let in people from Meath! :eek::pac:

Do you fear for these attendances now that United are top of the English league?

I know there was a sort of “hipster” crowd that started going to LoI awhile back but it really seemed to take off, particularly with Bohs and Rovers, once Man United went shíte.

That all could change now. Hopefully it won’t but we’ll only see if United keep up their recent “form” and crowds are allowed back into the grounds next year.

weldoninhio · 19-01-2021 1:27pm

Omackeral wrote: »

About 15 years too late there friend. They died.

In fairness, Cork have died 3/4 times too

19-01-2021 1:30pm

Omackeral wrote: »

About 15 years too late there friend. They died.

Sadly so.

Shakey_jake · 19-01-2021 1:35pm

Not to get too off topic but if any organisation deserves to have a permanent stadium built its cricket ireland

Yes cricket something we are relatively decent at and would be on par with soccer in terms of global interest.

Ill also add that its ran extremely well compared to the fai

Breezin · 19-01-2021 1:40pm

EmmetSpiceland wrote: »

Do you fear for these attendances now that United are top of the English league?

I know there was a sort of “hipster” crowd that started going to LoI awhile back but it really seemed to take off, particularly with Bohs and Rovers, once Man United went shíte.

That all could change now. Hopefully it won’t but we’ll only see if United keep up their recent “form” and crowds are allowed back into the grounds next year.

Hmm. I can't see that link. I wouldn't equate ManU people with hipsters anyway. Also, I don't see why following domestic and English/global football are mutually exclusive. I think the opposition and hostility is a minority sentiment that gets magnified because it's seen as entertaining, but there's no reason why someone who mostly follows ManU on the box can't enjoy the utterly distinct appeal of live football at Dalymount.

Omackeral · 19-01-2021 1:44pm

weldoninhio wrote: »

Hopefully. It’s great to see Woke FC play in a crumbling stadium.

Main stand is fine with 3 bars underneath. It’s only the away team’s fans that have to deal with crumbling bits. Sad.

Omackeral · 19-01-2021 1:50pm

Breezin wrote: »

Hmm. I can't see that link.

Ah stop, he’s been beating that drum for years and it’s based on nothing except a scenario that’s played out in his head. It’s aggressive marketing from the club in the community that’s done the trick mostly. It’s selling the experience of a night out with the lads, a family evening or a groundhopper destination. Any given week there’s a stag from the UK over or some German or Dutch tourists. They love the old school feel of the place.

Seve OB · 19-01-2021 1:57pm

Stihl waters wrote: »

England = football
Ireland = soccer

Hamsterchops wrote: »

You wish.

GAA heads call it soccer so that Garlic Football (basically handball) gets the football moniker

GAA = Bogball

Football = Football............. well because you play it with your feet I guess!!!

American Football = ......... well the yanks are a strange breed, a good game, but it sure as hell ain't football

fryup · 19-01-2021 2:03pm

Stihl waters wrote: »

England = football
Ireland = soccer

or more to the point....

UK its football

Gaelic Ireland its Soccer

Omackeral · 19-01-2021 2:11pm

fryup wrote: »

or more to the point....

UK its football

Gaelic Ireland its Soccer

Or another way to look at it. 99% of the countries on earth call it football.

Bobblehats · 19-01-2021 2:16pm

Seve OB wrote: »

American Football = ......... well the yanks are a strange breed, a good game, but it sure as hell ain't football

Grid Iron would be a more suitable title for that game. But, they just have to insist they had their their own version of whatever and thus soccer was born in the process! Yea, sock to me momma!

fryup · 19-01-2021 2:24pm

Omackeral wrote: »

Or another way to look at it. 99% of the countries on earth call it football.

Well apart from North America, Australia and gaelic catholic Ireland...so about 92%

Omackeral · 19-01-2021 2:27pm

fryup wrote: »

Well North America, Australia and gaelic catholic Ireland...so about 92%

Gaelic catholic Ireland haha! Oh and that’s just a tad under 98% if you wanna get pedantic!

WesternZulu · 19-01-2021 2:30pm

Omackeral wrote: »

Or another way to look at it. 99% of the countries on earth call it football.

Or another way to look at it is that 100% of countries on earth who have their own indigenous code of football call it soccer.

Omackeral · 19-01-2021 2:33pm

WesternZulu wrote: »

Or another way to look at it is that 100% of countries on earth who have their own indigenous code of football call it soccer.

I just emailed the Football Association of Ireland to tell them they’ve got it wrong.

Tbf, I think soccer and football can be used interchangeably. I wouldn’t get all that hung up on it. You can tell by context what people are talking about. But going as of one is superior to the other from a naming point of view is daft.

Feenix · 19-01-2021 2:34pm

EmmetSpiceland wrote: »

Do you fear for these attendances now that United are top of the English league?

I know there was a sort of “hipster” crowd that started going to LoI awhile back but it really seemed to take off, particularly with Bohs and Rovers, once Man United went shíte.

That all could change now. Hopefully it won’t but we’ll only see if United keep up their recent “form” and crowds are allowed back into the grounds next year.

You've mentioned this twice now and I still dont know if you're taking the piss or not.

Omackeral · 19-01-2021 2:35pm

Feenix wrote: »

You've mentioned this twice now and I still dont know if you're taking the piss or not.

He’s been saying it “ad nauseum” for about 2 years. He just “spams” these ideas he gets in his head much like he “spams” the famous “quotation marks”.

EmmetSpiceland · 19-01-2021 2:58pm

Breezin wrote: »

Hmm. I can't see that link. I wouldn't equate ManU people with hipsters anyway. Also, I don't see why following domestic and English/global football are mutually exclusive..

Sorry, B. I meant the hipsters had started attending before United flopped. But then the attendances really took off during the post-Ferguson years.

You’re right, it’s not mutually exclusive. Not at all. It’s just that the majority of ex-Man United fans I’ve seen have simply dropped their English club stating they don’t like how commercialised the EPL is, live soccer is “purer” and they want to support local. While supporting Bohs even if they’d be closer to UCD or Pats.

Feenix wrote: »

You've mentioned this twice now and I still dont know if you're taking the piss or not.

Do you not see a connection? I noticed it first in work when a couple of Liverpool fans were looking to “gloat” over the United fans in the office after their champions league win. These people had suddenly stopped “following” EPL.

Knew a few, very “vocal”, United fans myself, outside of work, who were the same. They were LoI now, rugby only, one now is into NFL and another, get this, “follows” cricket. Very fickle, if you ask me.

As someone who’s followed a team through highs and lows I found it very disappointing. These guys got more “enjoyment” from their team than any others but once the team start to play terribly they just “ditch” them.

Anyway, as someone who would like to see more “support” for the LoI, I do hope that these record attendances continue and if that means United falling further from grace so be it. I would still have fears that if such a fickle group flocked “en masse” so easily that they could, just as easily, go the other way.

Iscreamkone · 19-01-2021 2:59pm

Did you smash it wrote: »

It’s a huge factor in Ireland squad selection. Hence Ireland effectively has a much bigger population than the 4.9 Irish residents within the country. It’s non existent in Denmark.

That was the point.

Kasper Schmeichal is English I think

beachhead · 19-01-2021 3:01pm

Did you smash it wrote: »

Reading on RTE.ie that the public purse will be used to fund a white water rafting complex in the ifsc to the tune of 25 million.

This while “the home of Irish football” Dalymount park is a half condemned ruin.

It amuses me that people think Ireland is a football country because it has the highest participation rate of any sport.

Truth is we have no football economy really beyond a really small time one and no matter what the FAI do they’ll never have the ability to upgrade it as there is no financial investment or wealth in football in the country.

The public’s investment in football amounts to sky sports subscriptions and trips cross channel.

We live in a gaga country.Sorry that's Gaelic and Hurling.The government recognises that by pouring money into the GAA coffers without being asked for it

Hamsterchops · 19-01-2021 3:08pm

WesternZulu wrote: »

Or another way to look at it is that 100% of countries on earth who have their own indigenous code of football call it soccer.

Or football, as we call it here.

GAA "football" involves a lot of handball

Did you smash it · 19-01-2021 3:12pm

fryup wrote: »

Well apart from North America, Australia and gaelic catholic Ireland...so about 92%

beachhead wrote: »

We live in a gaga country.Sorry that's Gaelic and Hurling.The government recognises that by pouring money into the GAA coffers without being asked for it

They do but that’s because GAA raise a **** load for the exchequer because of the massive crowds that attend matches.

The GAA economy is worth a pretty penny for tax man.

Duffy the Vampire Slayer · 19-01-2021 3:12pm

Omackeral wrote: »

Or another way to look at it. 99% of the countries on earth call it football.

Koreans call it "kick ball".

Duffy the Vampire Slayer · 19-01-2021 3:13pm

Bobblehats wrote: »

Grid Iron would be a more suitable title for that game. But, they just have to insist they had their their own version of whatever and thus soccer was born in the process! Yea, sock to me momma!

The term "soccer" originated in the UK and was once commonly used there, although they hate to admit this.

Fr Tod Umptious · 19-01-2021 3:20pm

Bobblehats wrote: »

Grid Iron would be a more suitable title for that game. But, they just have to insist they had their their own version of whatever and thus soccer was born in the process! Yea, sock to me momma!

No it wasn't

The use of the word soccer goes back over 100 years
It come from Association, and was used to distinguish Association (soccer) football from Rugby (rugger) football seeing as both had their origins in roughly the same.

Incidentally the use of the word soccer was widespread in the UK up to the mid 20th century as described in this piece

https://time.com/5335799/soccer-word-origin-england/

moslo · 19-01-2021 3:22pm

Seve OB wrote: »

GAA = Bogball

Football = Football............. well because you play it with your feet I guess!!!

American Football = ......... well the yanks are a strange breed, a good game, but it sure as hell ain't football

Except when the ball is thrown into play, is headed, chested or caught. Not sure if there's any game that's played solely with the feet but I'm happy to be corrected.

fryup · 19-01-2021 3:24pm

fryup wrote: »

Well apart from North America, Australia and gaelic catholic Ireland...so about 92%

Omackeral wrote: »

Gaelic catholic Ireland haha!

well you know what i mean, up north for instance Proddy Unionists call it football and catholic nationalists call it soccer

Ireland is a pretend football country

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