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Brexit discussion thread XIV (Please read OP before posting)

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    #13442
    Kermit.de.frog
    Registered Users Posts: 23,564 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119587998#Comment_119587998

    As I've explained repeatedly, but you ignore, this is a process we are in that has been underway for two years now. I never gave any dates on anything. Carry on.



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    #13443
    Seth Brundle
    Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 39,104 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119588039#Comment_119588039

    Ah would you stop with this ridiculous nonsense!



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    #13444
    timetogo1
    Registered Users Posts: 848 ✭✭✭timetogo1


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119588039#Comment_119588039

    Save that one. You can roll it out every two years.



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    #13445
    wexfordman2
    Registered Users Posts: 2,543 ✭✭✭wexfordman2


    Well, when all is said and done, either :-


    a) The eus international reputation with respect to its protecting its members, its trade deals, and any sense that it has teeth will be in tatters

    b) kermits reputation is in the bin.


    I know where my money is



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    #13446
    ancapailldorcha
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 37,793 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119588039#Comment_119588039

    Nah. Before the Brexit deal was settled you were scaremongering about Ireland having to pay a debt to the EU, that the Irish corporation tax would be inevitably raised and that carnage would reign on the island. Now, you say Ireland is getting kicked out but can't provide a single link to back this up.

    Imagine hating your own country so much that you want it to capitulate to a hostile foreign entity and destroy its economy just so you can get one over some people on a message board. Pathetic.

    We sat again for an hour and a half discussing maps and figures and always getting back to that most damnable creation of the perverted ingenuity of man - the County of Tyrone.

    H. H. Asquith



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    #13447
    pixelburp
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 35,941 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119588039#Comment_119588039

    Lies. You gave a sequence of deadlines we hit that were indicative alongside promises that here we come, the axe was about to fall. Don't call my bluff cos I'll be bored enough to trawl this thread for your Sky Is Falling rhetoric.

    And we've explained repeatedly why your promise of economic Armageddon is patent, hopeful fantasy from a hysterical europhobe.



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    #13448
    rock22
    Registered Users Posts: 1,551 ✭✭✭rock22


    Ther German chancellor has also warned Truss about the Protocol in their first phone call

    https://www.dw.com/en/germanys-olaf-scholz-invites-new-uk-pm-liz-truss-to-berlin/a-63050004

    There is no scenario where the other EU member states abandon their positions on the Protocol



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    #13449
    Hotblack Desiato
    Registered Users Posts: 34,274 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119586173#Comment_119586173

    "These appointments from the Brexit heartlands are not aimed at the EU, they are aimed at the Irish government."

    We are the EU and the EU is us.

    Fingal County Council are certainly not competent to be making decisions about the most important piece of infrastructure on the island. They need to stick to badly designed cycle lanes and deciding on whether Mrs Murphy can have her kitchen extension.



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    #13450
    Sam Russell
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 19,441 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sam Russell


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119588676#Comment_119588676

    Scholtz and Biden do not think that Ireland are due under the next bus. I doubt that the EU do either. The jury is not out on Macron either.



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    #13451
    joeysoap
    Registered Users Posts: 6,238 ✭✭✭joeysoap


    we can always join Sweden, Holland, France etc and all the ‘other’ leavers then. Lol.



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    #13452
    pixelburp
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 35,941 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119589993#Comment_119589993

    It is always worth a quick re-read of former MEP Daniel Hannan's breathless prediction of 2025 Britain:

    It’s 24 June, 2025, and Britain is marking its annual Independence Day celebration. As the fireworks stream through the summer sky, still not quite dark, we wonder why it took us so long to leave. The years that followed the 2016 referendum didn’t just reinvigorate our economy, our democracy and our liberty. They improved relations with our neighbours.

    The United Kingdom is now the region’s foremost knowledge-based economy. We lead the world in biotech, law, education, the audio-visual sector, financial services and software. New industries, from 3D printing to driverless cars, have sprung up around the country. Older industries, too, have revived as energy prices have fallen back to global levels: steel, cement, paper, plastics and ceramics producers have become competitive again.

    [...]

    Unsurprisingly, several other European countries have opted to copy Britain’s deal with the EU, based as it is upon a common market rather than a common government. Some of these countries were drawn from EFTA (Norway, Switzerland and Iceland are all bringing their arrangements into line with ours). Some came from further afield (Serbia, Turkey, Ukraine). Some followed us out of the EU (Denmark, Ireland, the Netherlands).

    The United Kingdom now leads a 22-state bloc that forms a free trade area with the EU, but remains outside its political structures.

    I like the last line; as always betraying that resting superiority complex, arresting the UK's ability to operate as a partner in things - only a presumed "leader". I suppose Hannan has 3 more years for his hyperbolic prediction to come true. After all, any minute now we're going to be ejected from the Single Market. I've been promised.

    https://reaction.life/britain-looks-like-brexit/




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    #13453
    Christy42
    Registered Users Posts: 7,884 ✭✭✭Christy42


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119590072#Comment_119590072

    You really have to wonder at the level of delusion required for that



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    #13454
    Nody
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    Wrong thread.



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    #13455
    ancapailldorcha
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 37,793 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119590341#Comment_119590341

    Or the absence of accountability for the Leave campaign in general. That's the real issue. Hannan & co could write whatever knowing that not only would there be no consequences but also that they'd have no role in actually delivering Brexit. It'd all be someone else's problem. All they had to do was enrich their pals and collect their peerage on the way out.

    We sat again for an hour and a half discussing maps and figures and always getting back to that most damnable creation of the perverted ingenuity of man - the County of Tyrone.

    H. H. Asquith



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    #13456
    paul71
    Registered Users Posts: 3,165 ✭✭✭paul71


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119588039#Comment_119588039

    That is completely untrue, you gave a definitive date about 18 months to year ago. I distinctly remember because about 20 of us challenged to make a charity bet, so sure were you of the deadline of Irelands departure from the EU. Then you disappeared for a couple of months.


    Who here recalls asking Kermit to back up his deadline date with a bet!!!!



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    #13457
    Hotblack Desiato
    Registered Users Posts: 34,274 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119590341#Comment_119590341

    If delusion was a sport he'd be at the Olympics not just the commonwealth games.

    Hilarious that Brexit cost him his job - not so hilarious for the many thousands of others though. But he's OK he got made a "lord" - isn't that nice.

    Fingal County Council are certainly not competent to be making decisions about the most important piece of infrastructure on the island. They need to stick to badly designed cycle lanes and deciding on whether Mrs Murphy can have her kitchen extension.



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    #13458
    FraserburghFreddie
    Registered Users Posts: 514 ✭✭✭FraserburghFreddie


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119588103#Comment_119588103

    Can you expand on the "hostile foreign entity "you mentioned?



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    #13459
    Padre_Pio
    Registered Users Posts: 5,002 ✭✭✭Padre_Pio


    Queen Elizabeth II passed away today at the age of 96. She reigned for 70 years and was a beacon of unity in the UK and commonwealth.

    It will be interesting to see how the events of the next few weeks shape people's perceptions of "Britishness" especially at a time when movements within Scotland and Northern Ireland are gaining support to exit the UK.



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    #13460
    joeysoap
    Registered Users Posts: 6,238 ✭✭✭joeysoap


    Hannan still drew his EU wages though and will undoubtedly draw his pension. Along with Farage of course.



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    #13461
    ancapailldorcha
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 37,793 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119591504#Comment_119591504

    I've never understood the stability argument for the monarchy. It didn't stop Cameron repeatedly gambling with the country's future for his own gain and now the country seems more disunited than it has been in decades.

    The next few weeks will be disgusting. While a lot of people will feel genuine grief, many will churn out performances for social media and Truss will milk this for all it's worth.

    Having said that, RIP to Elizabeth II.

    We sat again for an hour and a half discussing maps and figures and always getting back to that most damnable creation of the perverted ingenuity of man - the County of Tyrone.

    H. H. Asquith



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    #13462
    Padre_Pio
    Registered Users Posts: 5,002 ✭✭✭Padre_Pio


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119591592#Comment_119591592

    I don't think Truss is long enough in the job to draw any popularity or credibility from next few weeks of remembrance.

    Boris could have milked it for sure, but Truss doesn't have the tenure or political chops.



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    #13463
    yagan
    Registered Users Posts: 2,754 ✭✭✭yagan


    96 is a great age, but by god it's going to be a shíte show over there for months.



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    #13464
    Grassey
    Registered Users Posts: 2,393 ✭✭✭Grassey


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119591504#Comment_119591504

    Saw this earlier on the commonwealth aspect... You'd wonder if commonwealth fracturing would precipitate further independence sentiment.


    The Queen’s death is a precarious moment for some of Britain’s wider Commonwealth realm, 14 countries of which recognise the monarch as their head of state. In many cases their constitutions state that the Queen, specifically, is the head of state. In these countries, constitutions will need to be amended to refer to her successor. In countries such as Jamaica, where there is a strong independence movement, and Belize, these constitutional changes will also require a referendum, according to Commonwealth experts. This is expected to bring about a moment of political peril for the new monarch, who, after Barbados became independent in 2021, could face the loss of another prominent part of the Caribbean Commonwealth.

    Questions are also likely to arise in countries such as Papua New Guinea, Solomon Islands, Tuvalu, Antigua and Barbuda, the Bahamas, Grenada, Saint Kitts and Nevis, Saint Lucia and Saint Vincent and the Grenadines over whether the new monarch could lawfully appoint a governor general, if the relevant country’s constitution has not been changed to refer to the King, and continues to refer to the Queen as head of state.



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    #13465
    murphaph
    Registered Users Posts: 19,018 ✭✭✭✭murphaph


    Once the dust settles on her passing this is going to see an increased number of countries opting to become republics. They will probably all stay in the Commonwealth however. I am pretty sure that it will accelerate Scottish independence, even though the Queen passed away in Scotland. That will all soon be forgotten about and the march towards independence will continue. The Free State left the UK 20 years after the death of Queen Victoria ;-)



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    #13466
    PokeHerKing
    Registered Users Posts: 4,300 ✭✭✭PokeHerKing


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119586173#Comment_119586173

    Your last sentence is so rediculous I'd worry for your mental health.



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    #13467
    Hotblack Desiato
    Registered Users Posts: 34,274 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119591746#Comment_119591746

    Independence and declaring a republic are two different things.

    Fingal County Council are certainly not competent to be making decisions about the most important piece of infrastructure on the island. They need to stick to badly designed cycle lanes and deciding on whether Mrs Murphy can have her kitchen extension.



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    #13468
    ancapailldorcha
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 37,793 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Looks like Liz Truss has seen fit to dispose of Rees-Mogg's old Brexit opportunities department:

    Liz Truss’s government has ditched the dedicated role of Brexit opportunities minister, confirming that Jacob Rees-Mogg would not be replaced in the job.

    Mr Rees-Mogg, the former Brexit opportunities and efficiency minister, has been given a significant promotion to business secretary in the new prime minister’s first cabinet.

    The PM’s official spokesperson said the mission of hunting out Brexit opportunities would now be “taken across departments”.

    https://www.independent.co.uk/independentpremium/uk-news/brexit-opportunities-jacob-rees-mogg-b2162781.html

    It baffles me somewhat that this wasn't created before the referendum to actually leave but we are where we are.

    We sat again for an hour and a half discussing maps and figures and always getting back to that most damnable creation of the perverted ingenuity of man - the County of Tyrone.

    H. H. Asquith



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    #13469
    Seth Brundle
    Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 39,104 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119598995#Comment_119598995

    It baffles me somewhat that this wasn't created before the referendum to actually leave but we are where we are.

    Im not sure why given that there absolutely no planning or preparation to leave



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    #13470
    breezy1985
    Registered Users Posts: 24,902 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119598995#Comment_119598995

    Any attempt to explain or plan for post Brexit would have immediately shown it to be flawed.

    It had to remain magic mystery fairy future to succeed.



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    #13471
    Hotblack Desiato
    Registered Users Posts: 34,274 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    But Cameron wanted Brexit to be defeated... or did he..........

    Fingal County Council are certainly not competent to be making decisions about the most important piece of infrastructure on the island. They need to stick to badly designed cycle lanes and deciding on whether Mrs Murphy can have her kitchen extension.



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