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Brexit discussion thread XIV (Please read OP before posting)

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    #13262
    MBSnr
    Registered Users Posts: 2,187 ✭✭✭MBSnr



    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119485984#Comment_119485984

    You may well be correct. One doesn't necessarily apply as a legal defence for the other, as I mentioned. We'll just have to see which way it goes.

    https://twitter.com/StevePeers/status/1560206975622848512



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    #13263
    Seth Brundle
    Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 38,914 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119491523#Comment_119491523

    The Uk is not abiding by the agreement and there is legal action in progress. As for "ripping up" th agreement, the UK havedius done no such thing. They have said that they will but then again they say a lot of things but never deliver on them. It is posturing by the UK.

    In terms of the UK treating us with complete comtempt and disdain, would you care to describe how this is happening exactly? How have we been under attack?

    Your dislike of the EU is clouding your judgement to the point that you're coming out with this vague waffle.



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    #13264
    ancapailldorcha
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 37,254 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    We're back to Kermit's Irexiter conspiracy again, I see.

    Like Leroy says, the EU has everything it wants. It can unilaterally suspend the TCA and has ongoing legal action against the perfidious British government.

    The current situation works for everyone. The EU has full access to the UK's market, can devastate the British economy at a moment's notice and can get on with its own agenda.

    The UK can't even have a sensible debate about soaring energy costs because it allowed a lame duck PM to linger on so he could keep Chequers.

    We sat again for an hour and a half discussing maps and figures and always getting back to that most damnable creation of the perverted ingenuity of man - the County of Tyrone.

    H. H. Asquith



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    #13265
    Podge_irl
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 25,383 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119491523#Comment_119491523

    Most Brits believe the UK is absolutely right because they have no idea what the problem is from our perspective.

    Why? Because they have gone unchallenged by the EU

    Of all the nonsense and repeatedly incorrect predictions you have come out with, this really takes the cake.

    No one who has been paying even the slightest attention to the UK for the last decade could plausibly believe that either an EU threat or an EU explanation of the UK's rulebreaking would alter UK public opinion to our benefit.



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    #13266
    Strazdas
    Registered Users Posts: 18,038 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Incredibly, it may be turning out that Brexit was a good thing for the EU and Ireland. At the moment, it appears to be a total economic and political basket, rapidly going down the tubes. It may be that the Commission is breathing a huge sigh of relief that they haven't got this basket case hanging around their necks. Can one imagine having to deal with the likes of Johnson and Truss showing up at EU summits?



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    #13267
    Leroy42
    Registered Users Posts: 15,484 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    Without Brexit, you probably wouldn't have the likes of Johnson and Truss in the leadership at all. Brexit has had a huge effect on the political setup of the UK, not just on trade and the other areas.



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    #13268
    Strazdas
    Registered Users Posts: 18,038 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119493654#Comment_119493654

    I would agree on that one. That is one hell of a political legacy for David Cameron and his referendum.

    Nonetheless, the current version of the UK would be an obvious nightmare member of the EU (and its charming media and electorate would probably be lashing out and somehow trying to blame the EU for its current woes).



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    #13269
    VinLieger
    Registered Users Posts: 17,654 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119493654#Comment_119493654

    Without a doubt, Boris wouldnt have been PM without Brexit and he is majorly responsible for the massive brain drain at the top of the party due to his insistence on loyalty above all else.



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    #13270
    ath262
    Registered Users Posts: 230 ✭✭ath262


    The most visible consequence to Britain for their non compliance of the NIP at the moment is the stalling of their access to the Horizon Science program - Universities warn of EU-UK research scheme 'close to precipice' (BBC 1st June 2022)

    '..The EU has indicated UK participation is tied to the row about post-Brexit arrangements for Northern Ireland...Horizon Europe is the EU's key funding programme for research and innovation, with a current budget of €95.5bn (£81.2bn)...'



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    #13271
    ancapailldorcha
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 37,254 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119493706#Comment_119493706

    Indeed.

    The thing about Orban and Kaczynski is that they're net beneficiaries of the EU. This keeps them from causing too many issues. A member state the size of the UK embracing populist demagoguery would be a nightmare but then such a state would just leave.

    Cameron himself was dignified, eloquent and reliable. No ruffled hair or untucked shirt nonsense, just boring old statesmanship that's now desperately missed here. Then again, he's directly responsible for this mess and that should never be forgotten.

    I hope the UK rejoins but it needs to transform entirely for that to happen. I can't imagine Macron being too reluctant to channel De Gaulle and turning them down if they reapplied now.

    We sat again for an hour and a half discussing maps and figures and always getting back to that most damnable creation of the perverted ingenuity of man - the County of Tyrone.

    H. H. Asquith



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    #13272
    breezy1985
    Registered Users Posts: 24,418 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119494063#Comment_119494063

    But I thought all the money was to fund the unelected bureaucracts and expenses for the likes of Farage 🤔



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    #13273
    FraserburghFreddie
    Registered Users Posts: 514 ✭✭✭FraserburghFreddie


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119492435#Comment_119492435

    People are still waiting for the EU to open the proverbial "can of whoop ass" on the UK.Its attempts so far,von der leyens clumsy attempt to trigger Art 16 and the AZ court case have shown the EU isn't as savvy as many here claim and resulted in humiliation.(not that I believe the current UK government is any better)

    So perhaps kermit has a point in some respects.



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    #13274
    breezy1985
    Registered Users Posts: 24,418 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119494728#Comment_119494728

    No he doesn't.

    It's been any day now for 6 years.



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    #13275
    ancapailldorcha
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 37,254 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119494728#Comment_119494728

    Only in little Englanders' collective imaginations....

    The UK government is obsessed with the culture war while it speeds into crisis. The EU is getting on with things. I know which side I'd rather be on.

    We sat again for an hour and a half discussing maps and figures and always getting back to that most damnable creation of the perverted ingenuity of man - the County of Tyrone.

    H. H. Asquith



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    #13276
    rock22
    Registered Users Posts: 1,547 ✭✭✭rock22


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119494063#Comment_119494063

    And that was my point, - this is exactly what is now likely to be the subject of legal action.

    While if the EU had suspended the TCA when the UK were clearly NOT implementing the WA then I imagine such legal action would not be possible.

    The EU should consider immediate suspension of the TCA until the WA, including the NIP is fully adhered to. Otherwise I suspect there will be a barrage of legal action against the EU .



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    #13277
    Kermit.de.frog
    Registered Users Posts: 23,481 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    If we were Belguim, Denmark, France, Germany etc... none of this conversation would be taking place. Britain would have been sanctioned long before now.

    Here we have the obscenity of Irish people accepting second tier support pretty much instead of demanding action. They are actually defending it with such nonsense (the EU are playing 4d chess) when they know full well the EU won't be risking anything for us and they have actively demonstrated that.

    It's the pro EU posters who should be the ones looking for tougher response to the UK.



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    #13278
    breezy1985
    Registered Users Posts: 24,418 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119498897#Comment_119498897

    What exactly is happening that would be different if it was BEL, FRA etc. What is it that's happening to Ireland that you are talking about ?


    How long before you slink off with your tail between your legs this time ?



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    #13279
    awec
    Administrators Posts: 53,384 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    I am old enough to remember when Kermit complained when the EU took action against the UK.



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    #13280
    ancapailldorcha
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 37,254 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119498897#Comment_119498897

    And as usual, not a shred of evidence.

    We sat again for an hour and a half discussing maps and figures and always getting back to that most damnable creation of the perverted ingenuity of man - the County of Tyrone.

    H. H. Asquith



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    #13281
    Sam Russell
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 19,378 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sam Russell


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119504800#Comment_119504800

    Well, he is right as far as no-one (well, few) in Belgium of France or Germany would be having a conversation on boards.ie - so that is true.

    Sanctions are underway. Just waiting to light the touch paper.

    I think if it is Truss, then the matches are ready - because she has a few deadlines to achieve 'within her first 100 days'.



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    #13282
    ancapailldorcha
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 37,254 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119504680#Comment_119504680

    The Eurosceptics have abandoned all principle when they got Brexit. The EU is damned if it acts because of apocryphal concerns about sovereignty and it if it doesn't, it's pointless as it interferes with stripping European countries' assets for billionaires. Farage & co are 21st century Quislings. Nothing more.

    We sat again for an hour and a half discussing maps and figures and always getting back to that most damnable creation of the perverted ingenuity of man - the County of Tyrone.

    H. H. Asquith



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    #13283
    ancapailldorcha
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 37,254 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119504827#Comment_119504827

    I remember him once saying that he was soapboxing here to stop the EU overriding Ireland as if Ursula von der Leyen reads this site.

    No idea what mindset it takes for someone to eagerly await harm being done to their own country so they can be right on a forum.

    We sat again for an hour and a half discussing maps and figures and always getting back to that most damnable creation of the perverted ingenuity of man - the County of Tyrone.

    H. H. Asquith



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    #13284
    Hermy
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 11,309 Mod ✭✭✭✭Hermy


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119504836#Comment_119504836

    A Brexity mindset one would assume!

    Genealogy Forum Mod



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    #13285
    ambro25
    Registered Users Posts: 5,994 ✭✭✭ambro25


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119498897#Comment_119498897

    You’re very right, there. Brexit stopped getting discussed in Belgium, France, Germany, etc. a couple years ago or so.

    And Britain has been getting sanctioned aplenty, and still is. It’s just that, very likely, they’re not the sort of sanctions which a Brexiter/Irexiter wishes to hear about: the only times Brexit’s still getting any mention nowadays, is when these national economies score yet another FDI and/or relocation win at the expense of the UK (a major win, that is, because bit-piece dropshipping warehouses set up in <mostly> NL by Brit SMEs barely ever get a mention outside of ultra-specialised trade periodicals - if at all).

    Not sure where that “obscenity” is, that you mention. Ireland is getting the lion’s share of Brexoded business, by a country mile. Be it in the financials/insurance/asset management sectors, or in Continental retail supply chains with replacing UK agrifood stuffs, or…



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    #13286
    ancapailldorcha
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 37,254 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119505097#Comment_119505097

    Aye, that'd be right.

    I was in France last week and it was such a refreshing contrast to see the EU flag displayed so prominently beside that of the Republic in so many places. Even in the Pantheon where some of the French greats like Zola, Rousseau & Voltaire are buried, there's a large altar in the middle adorned by the tricolour and the EU flag.

    It's sad to see discourse about the UK's relationship with its most important neighbours and allies get strangled by conservatives here. They're quite literally dumping sewage on England's green and pleasant land.

    We sat again for an hour and a half discussing maps and figures and always getting back to that most damnable creation of the perverted ingenuity of man - the County of Tyrone.

    H. H. Asquith



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    #13287
    joeysoap
    Registered Users Posts: 6,234 ✭✭✭joeysoap


    Agreed that the EU flag sbould be more prominant here ( And less Stars and Stripes)



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    #13288
    breezy1985
    Registered Users Posts: 24,418 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119505530#Comment_119505530

    Had UK friends in Ireland for the first time recently and they were really surprised how much they saw the EU flag in an official or semi official capacity.

    Also how many of our infrastructure projects admit to EU funding on the signage.



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    #13289
    Sam Russell
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 19,378 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sam Russell


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119512124#Comment_119512124

    We are proud to 'admit' EU funding. The more EU funding we get, the prouder we are.

    We also do not begrudge the net contributions we make to the EU.



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    #13290
    breezy1985
    Registered Users Posts: 24,418 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119512207#Comment_119512207

    Many areas of the UK especially the poor ones get similar funding but the local people never hear about it.



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    #13291
    Quin_Dub
    Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 15,028 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119512319#Comment_119512319

    Exactly, the Tories never wanted anyone to know that the EU were the ones bridging the gap on large programs in the poorer part of the Country and by doing so it allowed the whole "What do the EU do for us?" schtick to take hold.

    Here, everybody was always abundantly aware that the new bypass ,school or other infrastructure project was "Funded by the EU" - Those signs were put up long before any work was done and stayed up for years after the projects were finished.



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