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2020 officially saw a record number of $1 billion weather and climate disasters.
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You didn't and I didn't have you in mind. Nor did GL as far as I can tell given that your name was not even mentioned.
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I completely agree with this post. Especially that the ordinary citizen should not bear the responsibility for solving this crisis.
I think a bunch of ‘x prizes’ are definitely a good way to drive innovation and are well worth trying for some key technologies waiting to be developed
I agree that ‘printing money’ is going to be a big part of the solution.
The upfront costs of transitioning are mind blowing, but the long term benefits justify that cost. given the economic benefits of renewable infrastructure and avoiding the costs of runaway climate change
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No big deal? I was commenting on your claim that it could be the end of civilisation, which is a pretty ridiculous statement to make. I actually feel sorry for you if that's the way you're living your life. Scared to death about the big bogeyman in the air. Lay off reading the Guardian, it's not good for you. It has you jumping with the sight of every weather event to the extent that you don't even think now before blaming climate change for it, regardless of the facts.
Life's too short to be worrying about this to that extent. Exactly what good are you doing by posting these hyperbolic claims? You readily admit that you've not changed your lifestyle to reduce your carbon footprint as what can one man alone do, so exactly what's all this fear for? You're holding out for someone else to come up with the laws and taxes while in the meantime you post here literally in fits of hysteria. On the other hand we have Banana Man making up lies and posting bizarre spam (which you never ever pull him up on), but at least he seems happy doing it and doesn't share the same irrational fear as you.
Anyway, neither you nor I are going to solve anything by posting back and forth here. You will post as you see fit, as will I, and around and around we go. Meanwhile the others wait in the shadows, with no actual scientific contribution to make, just the odd jab at the "denier" who happens to see through some of the shite.
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The end of civilization claim is due to the uncertainty associated with how GHGs could cause cascading consequences. I consider a 5% risk of civilization ending events too high
It’s nothing personal at all. I like robust discussions and if we met in a pub I’m sure we’d have a civil but lively debate
We’re probably in agreement on 95% it’s just a difference on how we approach that last 5%
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Leave it to the tech to approach it. If someone told you in 1995, Irish people would be watching RTE on their phones before another drought and heat combination like that summer would occur again, you'd be amazed.
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Just out of interest, what is your definition of a civilisatiion-ending event? Give an example.
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An example, there is a natural disaster and there is nobody coming to help rescue the survivors or rebuild the infrastructure.
Features of a collapsed civilization, food supplies become sporadic and unreliable, the state and banking system collapse, electricity and telecommunications systems fail, the police and military can no longer function effectively, sewage and water treatment plants stop operating reliably, nuclear waste facilities are left unattended. Schools and colleges stop providing universal access to education. Hospitals and care facilities cannot treat sick and elderly citizens
Essentially, when any combination of 3 or more of these become long term realities, civilization is collapsing in that region.
Essentially you can imagine New Orleans after Katrina or Haiti after hurricane Matthew except there is no state or international emergency aid or prospect of rebuilding in the medium term
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I think what you have there is the plot of one of those low-budget disaster movies you see on those obscure high Sky Movie channel numbers just before ROK (e.g. Sony Movies Action), featuring actors that no-one's ever heard of before. The ones that have a comet closing down the Earth's magnetic field or all of the Earth's volcanoes erupting simultaneously. What you describe is completely ott. Nuclear plants being left unattended? Sporadic food supplies? Like it's all going to happen all of a sudden, just like in those movies?
We've already had our Katrinas and our Matthews and you know what, theyve survived and biunced back. The fact that they're rebuilding on geologically sinking coastal land in Hurricane Alley is another question unrelated to the concentration of CO2 in the air. Even the report on the German floods listed a whole host of non-meteorological factors that greatly exacerbated the floods, yet these go totally forgotten about. Millions of people are suffering from food shortages right now and have been for all time, unrelated to climate change, but I don't see you or the Guardian writing about them.
A bit of perspective is what's needed...
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Ak and his type probably lie awake at night worrying about a "Sharkanado" wiping out their neighbourhood at any moment😅!!
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The chances of technology solving the problem in the timelines being talked about are slim. We know how to solve the problem now but most of the environmentalists are interested in little beyond carbon. This approach is just not going to work.
Protecting and expanding habitats will have a huge impact quickly. Cracking down on pollution and the production of disposable items will also have a big impact. The population question will have to be dealt with at some stage but this will be by far the most difficult action.
And of course, stop building on flood plains.
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You are talking about the collapse of a civilisation that was built on and is sustained by its reliance on fossil fuels.
But it won't be climate change that will lead to its collapse, but the psychopaths that run the show.
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This attribution lark is great craic. Pick a weather event, any weather event, and post an article.
Human-caused climate change increased the likelihood of early growing period frost in France
In our latest study, scientists from France, Germany, Netherlands, and the UK collaborated to examine whether and to what extent human-induced climate change had a part to play in the cold early April following a very warm March 2021 that led to large scale frost damages in grapevines and fruit trees in central France.
In early April 2021 several days of severe frost affected central Europe following an anomalously warm March. This led to very severe damages in grapevine and fruit trees, particularly in France, where young leaves had already unfolded in the warm early spring. Using published peer-reviewed methods we analysed how human-induced climate change affected the temperatures as extreme as observed in spring 2021 over central France, where many vineyards are located. We found that although climate change made the temperatures of the observed event less cold than they would have been without the burning of fossil fuels over the last centuries, the fact that climate change has also led to an earlier start of the growing season means that frost damage in young leaves has become more likely due to human-induced climate change.
So there's an apparent advantage of climate change (an earlier start to the growing season) but wait, we must find something to counter it. Quick, anything.
Main findings
By analysing temperature observations and climate model simulations we found that without human-caused climate change, such temperatures in April would have been even lower by approx. 1.2°C.
However, human-caused warming also affected the earlier occurrence of bud burst, characterized here by a growing-degree-day index value. This effect is stronger than the decrease in spring cold spells, thus exposing young leaves to more winter-like conditions with lower minimum temperatures and longer nights.
Overall, we conclude that human-caused climate change made the 2021 event 20% to 120% more likely.
They state with such conviction that attribution studies are reliable and we should all take them seriously, yet they can't narrow down the range in increased likelihood to less than 20 - 120 %. The German flood study was worse, with a massive range of 20 - 900%!
But they leave the best finding til last.
In a climate with global warming of 2°C (compared to the present day level of global warming of about 1.2°C) growing-period frost events such as observed in 2021 are projected to further intensify by about 0.2°C to 0.5°C.
So a warmer world will make it colder. That's at odds with finding 1 above and this statement in the article...
We also looked at the change in intensity and frequency for the minimum April-July temperatures over the same region alone, finding that the event would have been even colder without human-caused climate change.
They kind of throw in the towel at the end and admit that the overall assessment is fairly woolly, with the models really not able to reproduce observations.
The differences between the changes in TNnGDD-indices simulated in the models and those calculated based on observations are large, we thus have confidence in the qualitative results but not the exact quantification.
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Its not a "personal jab" to laugh at your screw-ups or when Akrasia calls out your lies and fake data. I dont know why he still bothers tbh. Go read the IPCC reports if you want to see actual "contributions", its been spoonfed to you and the lunatic ad nauseum at this stage, no point in going over it again, you just enjoy wasting peoples time. I see you've moved on to "Ive always said humans were the cause of global warming" this week though, thats progress I suppose.
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Global warming alarmism is for narcissists.
Like all narcissists, the poor can be ignored, evident in here by the fact almost all reports of natural disasters are related to developed countries or uninhabited areas.
At least IPCC took a look
The entire continent is highly exposed to climate extremes, at a relatively high level of vulnerability, which amplifies the problems that the continent is experiencing, including poverty, limited infrastructure, conflicts and urbanization in development,"
Ah yes ideological, political and tribal conflicts are exacerbated by climate.
As I have stated before, human suffering is irrelevant to most alarmist unless they can tie it to global warming. In many cases attributing all weather related deaths to climate change unequivocally.
Questioning any apocalyptic prediction is the right thing to do.
Predicting human apocalypse is universally a human trait, part of many cultures across millenniums. Only difference is each time we are smarter and this ones for real ‘any day now’. Either history will look back on ‘Climate Apocalypse’ like all others as complete horse ****, or we will be dead according to Stephen ‘Akrasia’ King as people abandon their post.
Or what’s more realistic, people survive, and more likely poor countries get poorer, and those at risk suffer further exposures and those with resources are slightly inconvenienced.
A simple read back over the comments in here shows narcissism is rampant.
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Yes much like Newtonian physics, Heliocentrism and many others.
All observed, all demonstrated. As tools and technology evolved so to did our understanding.
Cooling/levelling of period was not calculated into any models. The large attic melt was not predicted or understood. The list goes on. So much not understood, but enough is known that this will end humanity in a run away climate?
Consensus that the planet is warming. However consensus diminishes beyond that when it comes to impact and potential outcomes.
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What you call 'Newtonian Physics' is really an attempt to apply experimental projects on to the works of the first Sun-centred astronomers like Copernicus, Kepler and Galileo-
"Rule III. The qualities of bodies which are found to belong to all bodies within the reach of our experiments, are to be esteemed the universal qualities of all bodies whatsoever. " Newton
It amounts to a remarkable misadventure with timekeeping or the 'clockwork solar system' as it is known along with a lot of idiosyncratic linguistic gymnastics like absolute/relative time, space and motion.
"I do not define time, space, place, and motion, as being well known to all. Only I must observe, that vulgar people conceive those quantities under no other notions but from the relation they bear to sensible objects. And thence arise certain prejudices, for the removing of which it will be convenient to distinguish them into absolute and relative, true and apparent, mathematical and common. " Newton
[Newton's Scholium IV link goes here]
Unfortunately, many will attempt to make sense of it and become quickly lost, after all, that is the intent anyway before he moves on to the parasitic relationship experimental theorists maintain with solar system research and Earth sciences. People inherently know what time, space and motion are, so he is merely spinning his wheels and conjuring up notions that have no basis in experience.
The experimental theorists project of 'greenhouse earth' is just another application of Rule III or the 'scientific method' as it is now called where careful interpretation is sidelined and predictions are everything.
It isn't the hysterics and fuss generated by modelling climate as a topic, but the modelling subculture itself that comes within range of the pragmatic observer. That world is occupied by a firewall of cheerleaders surrounding what are fairly fickle and petty academics thereby creating a false choice of climate change/ climate change denial among followers of empirical or 'Rule III' modelling.
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There's that pattern again. I post something technical that questions the hysteria and immediately in comes one of the hurlers on the ditch with the standard "denier" shout, "just read the IPCC". Never actually anything of value to add themselves.
It's like the chemtrail nutters shouting "just look up" when asked for proof.
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"Something technical" in your case is generally just lies dressed up with a few graphs and some waffle you copied and pasted from Netweather or wherever you get it though, Akrasia seems to be the only one bothered to dig into it to find that days bullsh1t.
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It really amazes me that you accuse me of making up lies when you say nothing about Banana Republic literally making up a story that some Italian broadcaster (whom he refuses to name) said it was 50 degrees in Sicily. It says a lot about you.
I don't copy and paste anything from anywhere else, especially Netweather, which I never visit. If you have examples of where I did then post them. Just the same way Banana posted the reference to the Italian broadcaster (not). I note you never actually give any rebuttal of these alleged lies, and maybe that's because you don't understand enough to be able to post more than general criticism like that above. Atlantic hurricanes are actually not shifting northwards, despite the claims. Tackle that one for starters.
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Stop your whining, the way you latch onto things and obsess over them for 50X posts afterwards is so pathetic. Dont mention my name out of the blue if you dont want me to reply to you. You got laughed at when you were caught making an ass out of yourself and are still nursing a grudge 6 months later. Its amusing to come in here and laugh at people like you sometimes thats all, you can demand all the essays on Atlantic hurricanes (???) you want 🤣
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Just as I thought. Nothing to add.
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And what do you add? Lies and bullsh1t for anyone who can be bothered wasting a few hours digging into your tragic homebrew "research" and endless pages of semantics arguments with anyone you can trick into engaging with you, day after day, year after year. Oh dont forget you're allowed to make snarky comments about anyone you want but if they reply to you about it they're "hurlers on the ditch" with nothing to add apparently.
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This is the Science forum, not After Hours. Try posting something scientific for once instead of making false claims of lies. Again, you ignore actual real lies posted by someone else.
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Oh look the wannabe thread policeman is out telling people what they can and cant post again. Funny though how the wannabe thread policeman only seems to waste his energy enforcing his made up rules on the people who accept the scientific consensus on AGW, the ones literally talking about lizard people on the previous page and how climate scientists cant be trusted because Nazi scientists engaged in human experimentation and other such theories get a free pass for some reason, funny that.
Sorry wannabe thread policeman, I post whatever I like wherever I like and if I want to laugh at you being caught out making fake graphs or demanding to know why European temp records arent being broken the day before they fall Ill do so, what are you going to do about it?
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The boards weather forum is crazy, where going along with scientific consensus regarding climate change seems to make you some sort of outlier who needs to be attacked
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Oh look the special case wants to have the last word as usual but couldn't think of anything to say so he posts another one of his hilarious Bebo gifs from 2007 again, Im sure the wannabe thread policeman will be along any minute to call him out for it...
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Some light reading for you Thargor
The Nazi Science That Fed the Apollo 11 Moon Landing | Time
Another wave of short circuiting imminent... 😆
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Not sure why that article would cause me to short circuit Professor, thats the third or fourth time you've presented your theory on NASA data not being trustworthy because the early American space program used captured Nazis, I just put it in the shrieking gibberish file along with your theory about climate scientists all being liars because Covid-19 escaped from a lab in Wuhan and your other theory about David Attenborough and his team going to far-flung locations because they take sexual pleasure in watching the suffering of animals. I wonder what hilarious gif or wacky statement you'll come out with next?
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Did you find that speech in a bin bag ?
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He didn't even mention my apparent association with David Ike. C'mon, Thargor, you are slipping... 😂
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I think I saw that very speech on an Italian TV channel. Don't ask me which one...
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What are you on about? The IPCC have ‘nothing to add’
tens of thousands of pages of analysis by many of the worlds experts is ‘nothing’?
You’re more similar to the chemtrail loon, not the People who trust the conclusions from every single reputable scientific institution on the planet….
Your conclusion that 4c of warming isn’t something to be terribly concerned about is completely contradicted by all of the data
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Well, for example, nothing to add about the false claim that hurricanes like Henri are shifting northwards over time. You yourself made that claim yet neither you nor the others said anything when it was shown to be untrue. Your response to it was silence while Thargoad just ignored it and instead came out of the woodwork with his childish criticism. Fair enough if he disagrees with me, he wouldn't be the first, but at least do it in a mature manner.
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The paper said there was a poleward shift in both hemispheres
I didn’t break it down by specific basin, and the scientific view on this is that this is likely a global phenomenon caused by a widening of the tropics which is making higher latitudes less hostile to hurricanes. The models show it happen more as warming increases.
in recent years we have seen records broken in how far north TCs have been forming even in the Atlantic basin, so we’re really just waiting for the data to reveal the trend over time
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41558-018-0227-5?WT.feed_name=subjects_atmospheric-dynamics
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The annual event has been going on for as long as life has been on Earth where oceanic temperatures fluctuate towards either pole as a reflection of two surface rotations acting in combination.
The most dramatic component of the event happens in a number of weeks as the South Pole turns out of the dark hemisphere of the Earth and into the light hemisphere for the next 6 months-
[ Insert Youtube video of 'South pole sunrise 2010' here]
The surface area where the Sun remains in view is quickly shrinking at the North pole until the Sun turns out of sight for 6 months until the March Equinox.
Climate research exists beyond the true explanation for the seasons as the North/South poles and indeed the entire surface of the planet turns once to the Sun each year parallel to the orbital plane and as a function of the orbital motion of the planet. On a solar system scale, planetary climate is determined by the degree of inclination to the orbital plane which in turn determines the rate of change in atmospheric conditions controlling effects on the surface.
The two surface rotations acting in combination is already visible on another planet (about 50 seconds in)-
[Insert video link 'Hubble rouses Uranus for Spring storms' here]
People can sometimes be petty and fickle, however, this exercise is not throwing good information after a modelling subculture, but for those who want to know what climate actually is and into individual seasonal weather events.
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Hurricane Faith remains the most northerly surviving hurricane as of today, and this occurred in the mid-1960s, which was a famously cold decade.
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That's behind a paywall but it appears to be the same paper I referenced above. The bulk of the focus in the media is on US-landfalling hurricanes, with much kerfuffel as recently as last weekend. To say the storms are shifting northwards when speaking of Henri when the data show the opposite is just plain wrong and should be highlighted. Thargoad won't agree but then that's not surprising.
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Hurricane Ginny (what a name) was the strongest tropical system on recorded to have hit the east coast of Canada. Year: 1963.
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Comes out of the woodwork lol. I "came out of the woodwork" when I saw you using my name in an insulting manner on pg 47 of this thread, so you're allowed do that then get upset when your target replies? Are you 12 years old? "Thargoad" 🤣
You have to be the most ridiculous little man-baby hypocrite on this forum, flinging insults and nursing grudges across 6 months just because someone laughs at you when you make an arse of yourself or you get caught lying, its actually comical at this stage.
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Well storms further north is the last bastion to use really. Stogner and wetter has been flogged to death
There is not more storms, nor an increased expected, the unprecedented (have I license to use that word?) drought between 2005 and 2017 was not forecast modelled and it's unlikely the record 1938 Jan 3 early season hurricane will be beaten.
Post tropical storms classifying as Hurricanes in the media doesn't help.
Perhaps a more apt study would be on the altitude where tropical cyclones reach their peak strength, but this is contentious as the number of hurricanes decreased in 2005 to 2017. Though a logical outcome of a warmer sea would be further energy potential in distances away from the equator.
Still plenty to learn with TCs and Hurricanes, some interesting studies into possible cold wakes. But hey, at least with the little we do know, it points to a certain collapse of human civilization :)
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Wow, I made a mistake and owned up to it. Big deal. It would seem that you're the one latching onto this one mistake 6 months later because you have nothing else to hang me on. You claim I make up lies but have failed to give one example. I gave you an example of a blatant lie by someone else but you chose to ignore it. I wouldn't be slinging the hypocrite term around too much if I were you.
Anyway, in other news, I'm sure those good men and women in the WAG have already got the draft report on this weekend's Hurricane Ida already written up and ready to go. Something along the lines that storms beginning with the letter "I" are exactly 3 - 14,903% more likely to become stronger due to the fact that anthropogenic also has an "i" in it.
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I mention it whenever I come into this thread and find you still ranting away about me 6 months later and making up primary school crap like "Thargoad" you clown.
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It's nothing to do with 6 months ago. Don't know where you got that. I think maybe you need to breathe into a paper bag there and calm down like a good lad.
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Yeah its me that needs to calm down, not the one screeching my name every time I look in this thread...
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Last bastion? That’s the term used for people retreating to fallback positions. The climate change deniers and ‘skeptics’ are the ones constantly retreating as the evidence overwhelmingly supports the other side
the number of debunked, often contradictory ‘skeptic’ arguments against the consensus on climate science is vast
Apologies Mods, this is a long quote from a site
im quoting the full list and refutations to show that everything that is brought up to object to climate change has already been considered and addressed and accounted for by scientific research but even when all of these challenges have been answered the ‘skeptics’ always retreat to find something new. They very rarely change their mind so I feel that to these people the facts and evidence don’t form a part of why they hold these beliefs. No evidence would ever convince them.
1.Climate's changed before"Climate reacts to whatever forces it to change at the time; humans are now the dominant forcing.2"It's the sun"In the last 35 years of global warming, sun and climate have been going in opposite directions
3"It's not bad"Negative impacts of global warming on agriculture, health & environment far outweigh any positives.
4"There is no consensus"97% of climate experts agree humans are causing global warming.
5"It's cooling"The last decade 2000-2009 was the hottest on record.6"Models are unreliable"Models successfully reproduce temperatures since 1900 globally, by land, in the air and the ocean.
7"Temp record is unreliable"The warming trend is the same in rural and urban areas, measured by thermometers and satellites.8"Animals and plants can adapt"Global warming will cause mass extinctions of species that cannot adapt on short time scales.9"It hasn't warmed since 1998"Every part of the Earth's climate system has continued warming since 1998, with 2015 shattering temperature records.
10"Antarctica is gaining ice"Satellites measure Antarctica losing land ice at an accelerating rate.11"Ice age predicted in the 70s"The vast majority of climate papers in the 1970s predicted warming.
12"CO2 lags temperature"CO2 didn't initiate warming from past ice ages but it did amplify the warming.
13"Climate sensitivity is low"Net positive feedback is confirmed by many different lines of evidence.14"We're heading into an ice age"Worry about global warming impacts in the next 100 years, not an ice age in over 10,000 years.15"Ocean acidificationisn't serious"Ocean acidification threatens entire marine food chains.16"Hockey stick is broken"Recent studies agree that recent global temperatures are unprecedented in the last 1000 years.17"Climategate CRU emails suggest conspiracy"A number of investigations have cleared scientists of any wrongdoing in the media-hyped email incident.18"Hurricanes aren't linked to global warming"There is increasing evidence that hurricanes are getting stronger due to global warming.19"Al Gore got it wrong"Al Gore's book is quite accurate, and far more accurate than contrarian books.
20"Glaciers are growing"Most glaciers are retreating, posing a serious problem for millions who rely on glaciers for water.
21"It's cosmic rays"Cosmic rays show no trend over the last 30 years & have had little impact on recent global warming.22"1934 - hottest year on record"1934 was one of the hottest years in the US, not globally.23"It's freaking cold!"A local cold day has nothing to do with the long-term trend of increasing global temperatures.24"Extreme weather isn't caused by global warming"Extreme weather events are being made more frequent and worse by global warming.25"Sea level rise is exaggerated"A variety of different measurements find steadily rising sea levels over the past century.
26"It's Urban Heat Island effect"Urban and rural regions show the same warming trend.27"Medieval Warm Period was warmer"Globally averaged temperature now is higher than global temperature in medieval times.
28"Mars is warming"Mars is not warming globally.
29"Arctic icemelt is a natural cycle"Thick Arctic sea ice is undergoing a rapid retreat.
30"Increasing CO2 has little to no effect"The strong CO2 effect has been observed by many different measurements.31"Oceans are cooling"The most recent ocean measurements show consistent warming.32"Climate scientists are in it for the money"Climate scientists could make far more money in other careers - most notably, working for the oil industry.
33"It's a 1500 year cycle"Ancient natural cycles are irrelevant for attributing recent global warming to humans.
34"Human CO2 is a tiny % of CO2 emissions"The natural cycle adds and removes CO2 to keep a balance; humans add extra CO2 without removing any.35"IPCC is alarmist"Numerous papers have documented how IPCC predictions are more likely to underestimate the climate response.
36"Water vapor is the most powerful greenhouse gas"Rising CO2 increases atmospheric water vapor, which makes global warming much worse.
37"Polar bear numbers are increasing"Polar bears are in danger of extinction as well as many other species.38"CO2 limits will harm the economy"The benefits of a price on carbon outweigh the costs several times over.
39"It's not happening"There are many lines of evidence indicating global warming is unequivocal.
40"Greenland was green"Other parts of the earth got colder when Greenland got warmer.41"Greenland is gaining ice"Greenland on the whole is losing ice, as confirmed by satellite measurement.42"CO2 is not a pollutant"Through its impacts on the climate, CO2 presents a danger to public health and welfare, and thus qualifies as an air pollutant
43"CO2 is plant food"The effects of enhanced CO2 on terrestrial plants are variable and complex and dependent on numerous factors
44"There's no empirical evidence"There are multiple lines of direct observations that humans are causing global warming.45"Other planets are warming"Mars and Jupiter are not warming, and anyway the sun has recently been cooling slightly.
46"Arctic sea ice has recovered"Thick arctic sea ice is in rapid retreat.47"There's no correlation between CO2 and temperature"There is long-term correlation between CO2 and global temperature; other effects are short-term.48"We're coming out of the Little Ice Age"Scientists have determined that the factors which caused the Little Ice Age cooling are not currently causing global warming.
49"It cooled mid-century"Mid-century cooling involved aerosols and is irrelevant for recent global warming.50"Global warming stopped in 1998, 1995, 2002, 2007, 2010, ????"Global temperature is still rising and 2010 was the hottest recorded.
51"CO2 was higher in the past"Climate has changed along with CO2 levels through geological time.
52"It warmed before 1940 when CO2 was low"Early 20th century warming is due to several causes, including rising CO2.53"Satellites show no warming in the troposphere"The most recent satellite data show that the earth as a whole is warming.54"It's aerosols"Aerosols have been masking global warming, which would be worse otherwise.
55"2009-2010 winter saw record cold spells"A cold day in Chicago in winter has nothing to do with the trend of global warming.
56"It's a natural cycle"No known natural forcing fits the fingerprints of observed warming except anthropogenic greenhouse gases.
57"It's El Niño"El Nino has no trend and so is not responsible for the trend of global warming.58"Mt. Kilimanjaro's ice loss is due to land use"Most glaciers are in rapid retreat worldwide, notwithstanding a few complicated cases.
59"It's not us"Multiple sets of independent observations find a human fingerprint on climate change.60"There's no tropospheric hot spot"We see a clear "short-term hot spot" - there's various evidence for a "long-term hot spot".
61"It's Pacific Decadal Oscillation"The PDO shows no trend, and therefore the PDO is not responsible for the trend of global warming.
62"2nd law of thermodynamics contradicts greenhouse theory"The 2nd law of thermodynamics is consistent with the greenhouse effect which is directly observed.63"Scientists can't even predict weather"Weather and climate are different; climate predictions do not need weather detail.64"IPCC were wrong about Himalayan glaciers"Glaciers are in rapid retreat worldwide, despite 1 error in 1 paragraph in a 1000 page IPCC report.
65"Greenhouse effecthas been falsified"The greenhouse effect is standard physics and confirmed by observations.66"CO2 limits will hurt the poor"Those who contribute the least greenhouse gases will be most impacted by climate change.
67"Clouds provide negative feedback"Evidence is building that net cloud feedback is likely positive and unlikely to be strongly negative.68"The science isn't settled"That human CO2 is causing global warming is known with high certainty & confirmed by observations.69"Sea level rise predictions are exaggerated"Sea level rise is now increasing faster than predicted due to unexpectedly rapid ice melting.70"It's the ocean"The oceans are warming and moreover are becoming more acidic, threatening the food chain.71"IPCC were wrong about Amazon rainforests"The IPCC statement on Amazon rainforests was correct, and was incorrectly reported in some media.
72"Corals are resilient to bleaching"Globally about 1% of coral is dying out each year.73"Volcanoes emit more CO2 than humans"Humans emit 100 times more CO2 than volcanoes.
74"CO2 effect is saturated"Direct measurements find that rising CO2 is trapping more heat.75"Greenland ice sheetwon't collapse"When Greenland was 3 to 5 degrees C warmer than today, a large portion of the Ice Sheet melted.
76"CO2 is just a trace gas"Many substances are dangerous even in trace amounts; what really matters is the total amount of CO2 in the atmosphere.
77"500 scientists refute the consensus"Around 97% of climate experts agree that humans are causing global warming.78"It's methane"Methane plays a minor role in global warming but could get much worse if permafrost starts to melt.79"CO2 has a short residence time"Excess CO2 from human emissions has a long residence time of over 100 years
80"CO2 measurements are suspect"CO2 levels are measured by hundreds of stations across the globe, all reporting the same trend.81"Humidity is falling"Multiple lines of independent evidence indicate humidity is rising and provides positive feedback.82"Neptune is warming"And the sun is cooling.83"Jupiter is warming"Jupiter is not warming, and anyway the sun is cooling.84"Springs aren't advancing"Hundreds of flowers across the UK are flowering earlier now than any time in 250 years.85"It's land use"Land use plays a minor role in climate change, although carbon sequestration may help to mitigate.
86"Scientists tried to 'hide the decline' in global temperature"The 'decline' refers to a decline in northern tree-rings, not global temperature, and is openly discussed in papers and the IPCC reports.87"CO2 is not increasing"CO2 is increasing rapidly, and is reaching levels not seen on the earth for millions of years.88"Record snowfall disproves global warming"Warming leads to increased evaporation and precipitation, which falls as increased snow in winter.89"Wildfires are not caused by global warming"Global warming worsens wildfires by creating drier conditions with more fuel for fires to spread further and faster.
90"They changed the name from 'global warming' to 'climate change'"'Global warming' and 'climate change' mean different things and have both been used for decades.
91"Solar Cycle Length proves its the sun"The sun has not warmed since 1970 and so cannot be driving global warming.92"CO2 is coming from the ocean"The ocean is absorbing massive amounts of CO2, and is becoming more acidic as a result.
93"IPCC overestimate temperature rise"Monckton used the IPCC equation in an inappropriate manner.
94"Pluto is warming"And the sun has been recently cooling.
95"CO2 is not the only driver of climate"Theory, models and direct measurement confirm CO2 is currently the main driver of climate change.
96"Peer review process was corrupted"An Independent Review concluded that CRU's actions were normal and didn't threaten the integrity of peer review.97"CO2 limits will make little difference"If every nation agrees to limit CO2 emissions, we can achieve significant cuts on a global scale.
98"Arctic was warmer in 1940"The actual data show high northern latitudes are warmer today than in 1940.
99"Renewable energy is too expensive"When you account for all of the costs associated with burning coal and other fossil fuels, like air pollution and health effects, in reality they are significantly more expensive than most renewable energy sources.
100"Southern sea ice is increasing"Antarctic sea ice has grown in recent decades despite the Southern Ocean warming at the same time. 101"Sea level rise is decelerating"Global sea level data shows that sea level rise has been increasing since 1880 while future sea level rise predictions are based on physics, not statistics.
102"Humans are too insignificant to affect global climate"Humans are small but powerful, and human CO2emissions are causing global warming.103"It's microsite influences"Microsite influences on temperature changes are minimal; good and bad sites show the same trend.
104"Lindzen and Choi find low climate sensitivity"Lindzen and Choi’s paper is viewed as unacceptably flawed by other climate scientists.105"Phil Jones says no global warming since 1995"Phil Jones was misquoted.106"Infrared Iris will reduce global warming"The iris hypothesis has not withstood the test of time - subsequent research has found that if it exists, the effect is much smaller than originally hypothesized, and may even slightly amplify rather than reducing global warming.
107"Dropped stations introduce warming bias"If the dropped stations had been kept, the temperature would actually be slightly higher.108"It's too hard"Scientific studies have determined that current technology is sufficient to reduce greenhouse gasemissions enough to avoid dangerous climate change.109"It's not urgent"A large amount of warming is delayed, and if we don’t act now we could pass tipping points.
110"It's albedo"Albedo change in the Arctic, due to receding ice, is increasing global warming.111"Tree-rings diverge from temperature after 1960"This is a detail that is complex, local, and irrelevant to the observed global warming trend.112"It's soot"Soot stays in the atmosphere for days to weeks; carbon dioxide causes warming for centuries.
113"Roy Spencer finds negative feedback"Spencer's model is too simple, excluding important factors like ocean dynamics and treats cloud feedbacks as forcings.114"Hansen's 1988 prediction was wrong"Jim Hansen had several possible scenarios; his mid-level scenario B was right.
115"It's global brightening"This is a complex aerosol effect with unclear temperature significance.116"Earth hasn't warmed as much as expected"This argument ignores the cooling effect of aerosols and the planet's thermal inertia.117"Arctic sea ice loss is matched by Antarctic sea ice gain"Arctic sea ice loss is three times greater than Antarctic sea ice gain.118"It's a climate regimeshift"There is no evidence that climate has chaotic “regimes” on a long-term basis.
119"Solar cycles cause global warming"Over recent decades, the sun has been slightly cooling & is irrelevant to recent global warming.120"Over 31,000 scientists signed the OISM Petition Project"The 'OISM petition' was signed by only a few climatologists.
121"Less than half of published scientists endorse global warming"Around 97% of climate experts agree that humans are causing global warming.
122"A drop in volcanic activity caused warming"Volcanoes have had no warming effect in recent global warming - if anything, a cooling effect.123"Plant stomata show higher and more variable CO2 levels"Stomatal data is not as direct as ice core measurements and hence not as precise.
124"Ice isn't melting"Arctic sea ice has shrunk by an area equal to Western Australia, and summer or multi-year sea ice might be all gone within a decade.
125"Sea level is not rising"The claim sea level isn’t rising is based on blatantly doctored graphs contradicted by observations.
126"IPCC ‘disappeared’ the Medieval Warm Period"The IPCC simply updated their temperature history graphs to show the best data available at the time.
127"It's ozone"Ozone has only a small effect.
128"Climate is chaotic and cannot be predicted"Weather is chaotic but climate is driven by Earth's energy imbalance, which is more predictable.129"Freedom of Information (FOI) requests were ignored"An independent inquiry found CRU is a small research unit with limited resources and their rigour and honesty are not in doubt.130"Climate 'Skeptics' are like Galileo"Modern scientists, not anti-science skeptics, follow in Galileo’s footsteps.
131"The IPCC consensus is phoney"113 nations signed onto the 2007 IPCC report, which is simply a summary of the current body of climate science evidence.
132"Tuvalu sea level isn't rising"Tuvalu sea level is rising 3 times larger than the global average.133"Naomi Oreskes' study on consensus was flawed"Benny Peiser, the Oreskes critic, retracted his criticism. 134"Renewables can't provide baseload power"A number of renewable sources already do provide baseload power, and we don't need renewables to provide a large percentage of baseload power immediately.
135"Trenberth can't account for the lack of warming"Trenberth is talking about the details of energy flow, not whether global warming is happening.
136"Ice Sheet losses are overestimated"A number of independent measurements find extensive ice loss from Antarctica and Greenland.137"CRU tampered with temperature data"An independent inquiry went back to primary data sources and were able to replicate CRU's results.138"Melting ice isn't warming the Arctic"Melting ice leads to more sunlight being absorbed by water, thus heating the Arctic.139"Breathing contributes to CO2 buildup"By breathing out, we are simply returning to the air the same CO2 that was there to begin with.140"Satellite error inflated Great Lakes temperatures"Temperature errors in the Great Lakes region are not used in any global temperature records. 141"Soares finds lack of correlation between CO2 and temperature"Soares looks at short-term trends which are swamped by natural variations while ignoring the long-term correlation.
142"We're heading into cooling"There is no scientific basis for claims that the planet will begin to cool in the near future.143"Murry Salby finds CO2 rise is natural"Multiple lines of evidence make it very clear that the rise in atmospheric CO2 is due to human emissions.
144"The sun is getting hotter"The sun has just had the deepest solar minimum in 100 years.145"Most of the last 10,000 years were warmer"This argument uses regional temperature data that ends in 1855, long before modern global warming began.
146"97% consensus on human-caused global warming has been disproven"The 97% consensus has been independently confirmed by a number of different approaches and lines of evidence.
147"CO2 emissions do not correlate with CO2 concentration"That humans are causing the rise in atmospheric CO2is confirmed by multiple isotopic analyses.148"It's waste heat"Greenhouse warming is adding 100 times more heat to the climate than waste heat.
149"Water vapor in the stratosphere stopped global warming"This possibility just means that future global warming could be even worse.150"It warmed just as fast in 1860-1880 and 1910-1940"The warming trend over 1970 to 2001 is greater than warming from both 1860 to 1880 and 1910 to 1940.151"An exponential increase in CO2 will result in a linear increase in temperature"CO2 levels are rising so fast that unless we decrease emissions, global warming will accelerate this century.
152"Record high snow cover was set in winter 2008/2009"Winter snow cover in 2008/2009 was average while the long-term trend in spring, summer, and annual snow cover is rapid decline.
153"A grand solar minimum could trigger another ice age"Peer-reviewed research, physics, and math all tell us that a grand solar minimum would have no more than a 0.3°C cooling effect, barely enough to put a dent in human-caused global warming.
154"Climate changesolutions are too expensive"Many climate solutions are cheaper than the alternatives before even accounting for the trillions of dollars saved by reducing climate and air pollution.
155"Mauna Loa is a volcano"The global trend is calculated from hundreds of CO2measuring stations and confirmed by satellites.
156"CERN CLOUD experiment proved cosmic rays are causing global warming"The CERN CLOUD experiment only tested one-third of one out of four requirements necessary to blame global warming on cosmic rays, and two of the other requirements have already failed.
157"Venus doesn't have a runaway greenhouse effect"Venus very likely underwent a runaway or ‘moist’ greenhouse phase earlier in its history, and today is kept hot by a dense CO2 atmosphere.
158"It's planetary movements"Blaming global warming on the movements of other planets is little more than 'climastrology' and curve fitting without a physical basis.
159"Deniers are part of the 97%"If anyone claims to be part of the 97 percent, it means they disagree with the contrarian argument that humans are having a minimal impact on global warming.
160"Water levels correlate with sunspots"This detail is irrelevant to the observation of global warming caused by humans.
161"Antarctica is too cold to lose ice"Glaciers are sliding faster into the ocean because ice shelves are thinning due to warming oceans.162"Positive feedback means runaway warming"Positive feedback won't lead to runaway warming; diminishing returns on feedback cycles limit the amplification. 163"Skeptics were kept out of the IPCC?"Official records, Editors and emails suggest CRU scientists acted in the spirit if not the letter of IPCC rules.
164"CO2 was higher in the late Ordovician"The sun was much cooler during the Ordovician.
165"Warming causes CO2 rise"Recent warming is due to rising CO2.166"Coral atolls grow as sea levels rise"Thousands of coral atolls have "drowned" when unable to grow fast enough to survive at sea level.
167"It's internal variability"Internal variability can only account for small amounts of warming and cooling over periods of decades, and scientific studies have consistently shown that it cannot account for the global warming over the past century.
168"CO2 increase is natural, not human-caused"Many lines of evidence, including simple accounting, demonstrate beyond a shadow of a doubt that the increase in atmospheric CO2 is due to human fossil fuel burning.
169"No warming in 16 years"Global surface temperatures have continued to rise steadily beneath short-term natural cooling effects, and the rise in global heat content has not slowed at all.
170"It's CFCs"CFCs contribute at a small level.
171"Scientists retracted claim that sea levels are rising"The Siddall 2009 paper was retracted because its predicted sea level rise was too low.
172"Renewable energy investment kills jobs"Investment in renewable energy creates more jobs than investment in fossil fuel energy.
173"CO2 limits won't cool the planet"CO2 limits won't cool the planet, but they can make the difference between continued accelerating global warming to catastrophic levels vs. slowing and eventually stopping the warming at hopefully safe levels.
174"Schmittner finds low climate sensitivity"The Schmittner et al. study finds low probability of both very low and very high climate sensitivities, and its lower estimate (as compared to the IPCC) is based on a new temperature reconstruction of the Last Glacial Maximumthat may or may not withstand the test of time.
175"Greenland has only lost a tiny fraction of its ice mass"Greenland's ice loss is accelerating & will add metres of sea level rise in upcoming centuries.176"DMI show cooling Arctic"While summer maximums have showed little trend, the annual average Arctic temperature has risen sharply in recent decades. 177"Ben Santer rewrote the 1995 IPCC report"The IPCC operates by consensus. Ben Santer could not have and did not single-handedly alter the 1995 IPCCreport. Accusations to the contrary are simply an attempt to re-write history.
178"It's a climate shift step function caused by natural cycles"Natural cycles superimposed on a linear warming trend can be mistaken for step changes, but the underlying warming is caused by the external radiative forcing.
179"Royal Society embraces skepticism"The Royal Society still strongly state that human activity is the dominant cause of global warming.180"It's only a few degrees"A few degrees of global warming has a huge impact on ice sheets, sea levels and other aspects of climate.181"It's satellite microwave transmissions"Satellite transmissions are extremely small and irrelevant.
182"CO2 only causes 35% of global warming"CO2 and corresponding water vapor feedback are the biggest cause of global warming.
183"IPCC graph showing accelerating trends is misleading"All of the statements made in the IPCC report regarding the figure in question are correct and supported.
184"Sea level fell in 2010"The temporary drop in sea level in 2010 was due to intense land flooding caused by a strong La Nina.185"Arctic sea ice extent was lower in the past"Current Arctic sea ice extent is the lowest in the past several thousand years.
186"Climate change isn't increasing extreme weather damage costs"The data and research are unclear whether climate changeis increasing extreme weather damage costs, but many types of extreme weather are becoming more intense and/or frequent, and disaster costs from extreme weather events are rising.
187"UAH atmospheric temperatures prove climate models and/or surface temperaturedata sets are wrong"The most likely explanation for UAH data warming less than expected is that the UAH data set is biased low.
188"IPCC human-caused global warming attribution confidenceis unfounded"The IPCC 95% confidence that humans are responsible for most of the current global warming is simply a summary of the peer-reviewed scientific research.
189"We didn't have global warming during the Industrial Revolution"CO2 emissions were much smaller 100 years ago.190"Ljungqvist broke the hockey stick"Ljungqvist's temperature reconstruction is very similar to other reconstructions by Moberg and Mann.
191"Hansen predicted the West Side Highway would be underwater"Hansen was speculating on changes that might happen if CO2 doubled.
192"Removing all CO2would make little difference"Removing CO2 would cause most water in the air to rain out and cancel most of the greenhouse effect.
193"Great Barrier Reef is in good shape"Evidence clearly shows that both ocean warming and acidification due to human CO2 emissions are damaging the Great Barrier Reef194"Loehle and Scafetta find a 60 year cycle causing global warming"Loehle and Scafetta's paper is nothing more than a curve fitting exercise with no physical basis using an overly simplistic model.
195"Postma disproved the greenhouse effect"Postma's model contains many simple errors; in no way does Postma undermine the existence or necessity of the greenhouse effect.196"Underground temperatures control climate"The amount of heat energy coming out of the Earth is too small to even be worth considering.
197"Humans survived past climate changes"Humans have been through climate changes before- but mostly cold ones and mostly in our far distant past.
198"Heatwaves have happened before"Global warming is increasing the frequency, duration and intensity of heatwaves.
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