When will it all end?

Mr. Karate

BULLER wrote: »

There was 1,850 people in hospitals throughout Ireland last week, on oxygen, struggling to breathe, who might disagree with you.

Solely because of Covid? Or being treated for other issues while having Covid? They have been purposefully muddying the waters when it comes to this the whole time.

Hellrazer

BULLER wrote: »

There was 1,850 people in hospitals throughout Ireland last week, on oxygen, struggling to breathe, who might disagree with you.

There may have been 1850 people in hospital with covid 19 - Im not sure all of them were on oxygen support though.

Micky 32

Mr. Karate wrote: »

I want to believe, but these idiots running things don't give us much hope.

Oh i don’t know. Do the goverment really want to keep paying PUP to 500k people forever? Do we keep social distancing forever? How can people form new relationships and procreate? How can families and friends stay apart forever? If the vaccine does what it says on the tin you’ll see huge changes toward the end of the year. Life will find a way just like it has done in pandemics in the past.

BULLER

Hellrazer wrote: »

There may have been 1850 people in hospital with covid 19 - Im not sure all of them were on oxygen support though.

If you're having to be in hospital with Covid-19, you're on some form of oxygen breathing support.

Step 1: Nasal Cannula
Step 2: Non-rebreather mask
Step 3: ICU with continuous positive pressure
Step 4: ICU Invasive Mechanical Ventilator

mcsean2163

BULLER wrote: »

If you're having to be in hospital with Covid-19, you're on some form of oxygen breathing support.

Step 1: Nasal Cannula
Step 2: Non-rebreather mask
Step 3: ICU with continuous positive pressure
Step 4: ICU Invasive Mechanical Ventilator

Look this is a bit disjointed. Someone suggested if we were more like Japan, covid19 wouldn't have been such an issue in Ireland.

If we do the same as Japan, we can just not test for covid19 when people are sick. That way the covid19 numbers would go down.

Oh my goodness, satire explained is painful. Anyway....

In 2015 around 55 million people died. I don't want to belittle that terrible tragedy and I won't. We need to take death seriously, every year there are huge numbers dying in nursing homes and from a variety of illnesses attributed to 'old age'. We need to fight back against these massacres.

In Ireland the average age of death from covid19 was higher than life expectancy. This is crazy, life expectancy needs to be increased. People should never have to die or suffer in any way. We must raise life expectancy to 500 years immediately.

Stop the massacre, contact your TD today.

El_Duderino 09

mcsean2163 wrote: »

Look this is a bit disjointed. Someone suggested if we were more like Japan covid19 wouldn't have been such an issue in Ireland.

If we do the same as Japan, we can just not test them. That way the covid19 numbers would go down.

Oh my goodness, satire explained is painful. Anyway....

I said there was a good article in the guardian that suggested a huge difference between how covid affects countries is how the culture of the people of those countries views sticking to the rules. Counties that generally stick to rules have had better outcomes than cpu tries that generally support rule breaking.

People didn’t like that opinion, probably because it puts the responsibility on individuals and the society’s behaviour and not all the fault of Tony Hoola-Hoop or Me-Hole Martin (god, I cringe when grown adults use such childish insults).

Here’s the article so you can tell my why you think it’s stupid.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/commentisfree/2021/feb/01/loose-rule-breaking-culture-covid-deaths-societies-pandemic

mcsean2163

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

I said there was a good article in the guardian that suggested a huge difference between how covid affects countries is how the culture of the people of those countries views sticking to the rules. Counties that generally stick to rules have had better outcomes than cpu tries that generally support rule breaking.

People didn’t like that opinion, probably because it puts the responsibility on individuals and the society’s behaviour and not all the fault of Tony Hoola-Hoop or Me-Hole Martin (god, I cringe when grown adults use such childish insults)

There were lots of articles and even 'good' articles retracted from nature because they were untrue.

I just shown you how that article is rubbish.

1. Very limited testing in Japan
2. A study showing large spread of covid19 in Japan
3. Japan is not that culturally different, (they have parades, crime, sporting, etc. like we do).

Everyone said the same about the Czech Republic before the second wave hit them. That they were culturally different.

They now have the sixth highest deaths per capita in the world but don't let facts get in the way of stupidity.

El_Duderino 09

mcsean2163 wrote: »

There were lots of articles and even 'good' articles retracted from nature because they were untrue.

I just shown you how that article is rubbish.

1. Very limited testing in Japan
2. A study showing large spread of covid19 in Japan
3. Japan is not that culturally different, (they have parades, crime, sporting, etc. like we do).

Everyone said the same about the Czech Republic before the second wave hit them. That they were culturally different.

They now have the sixth highest deaths per capita in the world but don't let facts get in the way of stupidity.

Japan is not that culturally different to Ireland? Well, in that case is there even such thing as cultural difference between countries?

But the article didn't rest on whether Japan and Ireland both have festivals or sporting events (the article didn't hinge on Japan mention Ireland at all), It was about how likely the people are to follow the rules in different countries. Is your point that people in Ireland and Japan are equally likely to follow the rules? is there any difference between how likely people are to follow rules across any countries, in your opinion?

Hector Savage

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Ok. So you're basing your assumption on deaths and hospitalisation in Ireland alone? Would that be a fair summary?

Do you even consider the international aspect of the pandemic? Or do you consider changes to the scenario such as the South African and Kent mutations and the potential for future variations that could be more resistant to the virus?

If that's the case then we need to stay in lockdown forever, there will always be new variants, forever lockdown - allthough you really really want one is not long term viable.

Micky 32

Hector Savage wrote: »

If that's the case then we need to stay in lockdown forever, there will always be new variants, forever lockdown - allthough you really really want one is not long term viable.

Ah sure let them dream of their forever lockdowns. I guess some people lead sad empty lives.

Make no mistake this will end.

uli84

PTH2009 wrote: »

ha Level 1/2 are far from normality

Not to mention, there is slim chance they’ll ever be introduced:/

mcsean2163

Micky 32 wrote: »

Ah sure let them dream of their forever lockdowns. I guess some people lead sad empty lives.

Make no mistake this will end.

I think for a lot of 2 parent working families and those with a large commute lockdown has been a blessing.

For example, many that may have been working to earn almost zero due to childcare expenses are now forced to take a break, spend time with their kids, get the pup and actually have more money.

For this cohort there are a lot of lockdown negatives but the benefits may outweigh the negatives.

I know many families happier in lockdown or making the most of it and afraid to move back into their old lives that may be fraught.

I know covid19 is a deadly disease but for example 21 people under 45 died from covid19 in 2020 in Ireland, versus 87 road deaths for the same cohort in 2017. For under 45s in Ireland it's less dangerous than traveling by the roads.

Once the elderly, vulnerable and health care workers are vaccinated it'll be increasingly difficult to justify catering for the WFH brigade. If hospitals are no longer obliged to quarantine covid19 patients, that should help too. My guess, summer 2022 covid19 will be a thing of the past but hopefully sooner.

Maybe a UBI is required to enable families and men and women accustomed to being financially independent to take time out to do the important and difficult job of minding kids in those crucial years. Who knows, stranger things have happened... but we need to push on before we destroy our economy on the global stage. Other countries like China, Thailand are not waiting for us to catch up.

polesheep

mcsean2163 wrote: »

I think for a lot of 2 parent working families and those with a large commute lockdown has been a blessing.

For example, many that may have been working to earn almost zero due to childcare expenses are now forced to take a break, spend time with their kids, get the pup and actually have more money.

For this cohort there are a lot of lockdown negatives but the benefits may outweigh the negatives.

I know many families happier in lockdown or making the most of it and afraid to move back into their old lives that may be fraught.

I know covid19 is a deadly disease but for example 21 people under 45 died from covid19 in 2020 in Ireland, versus 87 road deaths for the same cohort in 2017. For under 45s in Ireland it's less dangerous than traveling by the roads.

Once the elderly, vulnerable and health care workers are vaccinated it'll be increasingly difficult to justify catering for the WFH brigade. If hospitals are no longer obliged to quarantine covid19 patients, that should help too. My guess, summer 2022 covid19 will be a thing of the past but hopefully sooner.

Maybe a UBI is required to enable families and men and women accustomed to being financially independent to take time out to do the important and difficult job of minding kids in those crucial years. Who knows, stranger things have happened... but we need to push on before we destroy our economy on the global stage. Other countries like China, Thailand are not waiting for us to catch up.

On the other hand I now some people who were thrilled to be working from home... at first. They would now give their right arm to be back in the workplace. Working from home is not for everybody.

El_Duderino 09

Hector Savage wrote: »

If that's the case then we need to stay in lockdown forever, there will always be new variants, forever lockdown - allthough you really really want one is not long term viable.

I don’t want forever lockdown. I was asking the poster above why they think there will be no restrictions by September.

Wanting there to be no restrictions by September doesn’t mean it’s any more likely to happen. It’s worth exploring the reasons why someone thinks it will happen. Unfortunately the poster can’t string a sentence together, let alone a back and forth conversation.

El_Duderino 09

Micky 32 wrote: »

Ah sure let them dream of their forever lockdowns. I guess some people lead sad empty lives.

Make no mistake this will end.

Of course it will end. I don’t the ink it will be all over by September as the poster said above. I don’t want it to go on longer than necessary. But spouting nonsense about how it will be all over in May, June or September (all things the same poster has claimed to firmly believe over the last few months) doesn’t make it any more likely.

Truth is we don’t know how long it will infold because there are unknown variables at this stage. That doesn’t mean I want it to go on forever, it means I’m being honest and saying nobody knows how long it will go on. Making up an end date, doesn’t help anything.

Mr. Karate

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

I don’t want forever lockdown. I was asking the poster above why they think there will be no restrictions by September.

Wanting there to be no restrictions by September doesn’t mean it’s any more likely to happen. It’s worth exploring the reasons why someone thinks it will happen. Unfortunately the poster can’t string a sentence together, let alone a back and forth conversation.

The whole September things stems from the fact the Govt claimed that they would have 100% of the Population vaccinated by then. That clearly won't happen because of the snail's pace of vaccinating going on [when they won't give you a daily figure you know they're taking their sweet time] and they'd still want to lockdown for Christmas "just to be careful"

hynesie08

Mr. Karate wrote: »

The whole September things stems from the fact the Govt claimed that they would have 100% of the Population vaccinated by then.

They didn't

That clearly won't happen because of the snail's pace of vaccinating going on [when they won't give you a daily figure you know they're taking their sweet time]

Over 95% of vaccines received distributed Is a "snails pace" is it?

and they'd still want to lockdown for Christmas "just to be careful"

You're still just making that scenario up.

GazzaL

hynesie08 wrote: »

They didn't



Over 95% of vaccines received distributed Is a "snails pace" is it?




You're still just making that scenario up.

95% of **** all is still **** all. #Maths #TheNumbersDon'tLie

Del Griffith

hynesie08 wrote: »

They didn't



Over 95% of vaccines received distributed Is a "snails pace" is it?




You're still just making that scenario up.

Ha ha, RTE is that you?!

hynesie08

Del Griffith wrote: »

Ha ha, RTE is that you?!

Feel free to point out any part of my post that's untrue.

ujjjjjjjjj

The deeply concerning thing happening in front of our eyes is the movement of goalposts by our public health 'experts' and our politicians. We are moving to endless if's and buts about virus strains which could be vaccine resistant....I stress could be.......

The recent travel restrictions show this is now the latest panic and the media are manipulating this as the next thing to stress about. Was listening to some hysterical presenter on Newstalk earlier (drivetime) who had created an imaginary Paris Strain which hasn't even been discovered yet and could bypass our vaccines and that is why we need to stop travel........

The goalposts are shifting folks, not only are we in a perpetual panic over the actual virus but we are getting into a lather about a virus which doesn't even exist but could......

I keep saying this: This is now an endemic virus and no one seems to be understanding the significance of this. It isn't going away and while vaccines will hugely reduce mortality if we endlessly worry about what might happen sure we may as well just stay in lockdown forever.

We need a line in the sand and we need it now and we need it being discussed, the O'Leary approach of say lifting all restrictions once the over 50's are vaccinated is where the discussion must go.

I don't think any of the medical experts / politicians etc have the slightest comprehension of the damage they are causing. They are busy all day listening to each other convincing themselves of how serious things are and how dangerous things are and are in a self perpetuating loop of drama and crisis.

We have to move on and clearly define an exit strategy and also accept that post vaccine this virus will still be around.....

Micky 32

ujjjjjjjjj wrote: »

The deeply concerning thing happening in front of our eyes is the movement of goalposts by our public health 'experts' and our politicians. We are moving to endless if's and buts about virus strains which could be vaccine resistant....I stress could be.......

The recent travel restrictions show this is now the latest panic and the media are manipulating this as the next thing to stress about. Was listening to some hysterical presenter on Newstalk earlier (drivetime) who had created an imaginary Paris Strain which hasn't even been discovered yet and could bypass our vaccines and that is why we need to stop travel........

The goalposts are shifting folks, not only are we in a perpetual panic over the actual virus but we are getting into a lather about a virus which doesn't even exist but could......

I keep saying this: This is now an endemic virus and no one seems to be understanding the significance of this. It isn't going away and while vaccines will hugely reduce mortality if we endlessly worry about what might happen sure we may as well just stay in lockdown forever.

We need a line in the sand and we need it now and we need it being discussed, the O'Leary approach of say lifting all restrictions once the over 50's are vaccinated is where the discussion must go.

I don't think any of the medical experts / politicians etc have the slightest comprehension of the damage they are causing. They are busy all day listening to each other convincing themselves of how serious things are and how dangerous things are and are in a self perpetuating loop of drama and crisis.

We have to move on and clearly define an exit strategy and also accept that post vaccine this virus will still be around.....

I think Varadkar is copping onto this:

“ He said that coronavirus will probably be with us for “eternity” and that vaccines will help society to live with the virus in the same way it lives with the flu.

He said half of the adult population will be vaccinated by the end of June and that 70 or 80pc will be vaccinated by the end of September which the Government believes will confer herd immunity.”

PTH2009

Micky 32 wrote: »

I think Varadkar is copping onto this:

“ He said that coronavirus will probably be with us for “eternity” and that vaccines will help society to live with the virus in the same way it lives with the flu.

He said half of the adult population will be vaccinated by the end of June and that 70 or 80pc will be vaccinated by the end of September which the Government believes will confer herd immunity.”

Hard to trust a word that comes out of his mouth

The living with covid plan should be ripped up and a new one made that actually lives with the virus

Jinglejangle69

Micky 32 wrote: »

I think Varadkar is copping onto this:

“ He said that coronavirus will probably be with us for “eternity” and that vaccines will help society to live with the virus in the same way it lives with the flu.

He said half of the adult population will be vaccinated by the end of June and that 70 or 80pc will be vaccinated by the end of September which the Government believes will confer herd immunity.”

Leo talking sense.

Won't be welcome around here.

ujjjjjjjjj

Micky 32 wrote: »

I think Varadkar is copping onto this:

“ He said that coronavirus will probably be with us for “eternity” and that vaccines will help society to live with the virus in the same way it lives with the flu.

He said half of the adult population will be vaccinated by the end of June and that 70 or 80pc will be vaccinated by the end of September which the Government believes will confer herd immunity.”

Light bulb moment hopefully 🙏

Must translate though to a point where we move on and lift all restrictions.

Here is hoping.

Mr. Karate

Micky 32 wrote: »

I think Varadkar is copping onto this:

“ He said that coronavirus will probably be with us for “eternity” and that vaccines will help society to live with the virus in the same way it lives with the flu.

He said half of the adult population will be vaccinated by the end of June and that 70 or 80pc will be vaccinated by the end of September which the Government believes will confer herd immunity.”

He's supposed to become Taoiseach again next year. Ofcourse he'll want it over and done with by then. And given the slobbering love affair the Irish media has with him I wouldn't be surprised if Covid gets a mention at all once he's back in charge.

Jinglejangle69

Mr. Karate wrote: »

He's supposed to become Taoiseach again next year. Ofcourse he'll want it over and done with by then. And given the slobbering love affair the Irish media has with him I wouldn't be surprised if Covid gets a mention at all once he's back in charge.

Ah who cares.

He's talking sense and did when he put it up to NHPET.

But Irish people didn't have the balls to back him up so we're back to been under NHPETs rule.

ujjjjjjjjj

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Ah who cares.

He's talking sense and did when he put it up to NHPET.

But Irish people didn't have the balls to back him up so we're back to been under NHPETs rule.

Scared sheep de Irish people.

Jinglejangle69

ujjjjjjjjj wrote: »

Scared sheep de Irish people.

Rather slate Leo on their social media pages than have the cop on to see he was trying to offer an alternative to endless lockdowns and misery.

Biting off their nose to spite their face.

ujjjjjjjjj

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Rather slate Leo on their social media pages than have the cop on to see he was trying to offer an alternative to endless lockdowns and misery.

Biting off their nose to spite their face.

Agreed, encouraging what Leo said. A glimmer of hope that maybe he at least understands what is going on here.......Thanks to whoever posted that.

A politically careful version of O'Leary !!

But like everything since this crap started it could just be another false dawn.