Tina Satchwell *Mod note in op*

dbas

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121231789#Comment_121231789

Can we really assume that story was true? Large part of the poor abandoned husband story. Musha good help him

dbas

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121231965#Comment_121231965

Has to be very soon now really.

Garda barely have a duck left to line up.

He's done for.

Citizen Six

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121231936#Comment_121231936

He had no choice, he didn't have a bank account.

listermint

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121231819#Comment_121231819

This makes the most likely sense.

Due to location of these houses chances are the soil type is relatively sandy. At 1meter your below the foundation level of party walls which means as you dig out you'd be taking material from under that wall and from the neighbours side too.

There's no quick easy way to fill their side back in from his side. They may have been renovating their toilet or updating the piping from clay to plastic and opened a void.

TinyMuffin

Thank god it’s another case with closure. Just goes to show that there’s alway a chance of these cases being solved.

Oscar_Madison

Dental records helped make the identification

TV3 News!!!!

Deeec

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121231967#Comment_121231967

Drilling a hold in the wall still wouldnt have found Tina. She was a metre down in the ground under concete under the stairs.

Im not defending the gardai just discussing why they cannot pull every house of a missing person apart. No doubt they will have questions to answer though.

listermint

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121232013#Comment_121232013

It would have shown a big newly covered concrete hole. Which would enhance a search warrant.

PukkaPad

What a sad day for Tinas family. I hope the person responsible does the decent thing and doesn't put the family through the ordeal of a trial.

May Tina RIP.

take everything

Poor woman, God bless her. RIP.

Deregos.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121231624#Comment_121231624

Hopefully their success in this case will encourage the Gardaí to at last give a long overdue, and serious investigation into the similar circumstances surrounding the disappearance of Imelda Keenan nearly 30 years ago.

dbas

Poor dogs in the house

Oscar_Madison

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121232026#Comment_121232026

Yep but I don’t think that will happen. Unbelievable as it may sound, murder still has to be proved and if there’s even a microscopic chance of a reduced charge or verdict then I’d imagine that route will be chosen

kirk.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121231239#Comment_121231239

Hmm

Boggles

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121232026#Comment_121232026

I severely doubt that. After 6 and half years.

Natural causes or man slaughter will probably be the defence. Unless the remains give up some evidence to the contrary.

Anyway will probably be a year or 2 before this thread is open again.

Be right back

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121232088#Comment_121232088

How on earth could they claim natural causes? May Tina rest in peace.. It's awful to think that she may have lain there all this time.

monkeybutter

if you had loved one missing you wouldnt want to be relying on the police to find them

whats weird is if this was my sister/daughter and i'd have solved it the day he rang to check if she was in fermoy

monkeybutter

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121232112#Comment_121232112

this will bring out the poeple who can't get their heads around the words reasonable doubt

Seth Brundle

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121232120#Comment_121232120

whats weird is if this was my sister/daughter and i'd have solved it the day he rang to check if she was in fermoy

How exactly?

Boggles

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121232112#Comment_121232112

Why couldn't they? Or wouldn't they?

Concealing a body is a separate crime to causing the death of that person.

Far Less punishment too.

If there is no actual tangible evidence to suggest an unnatural death.

I'm not saying it will work, but I very much doubt the person who did this will come clean.

road_high

He is something else alright

https://youtu.be/5LR8HiW38xs?si=hEzGrvvY-CzYwTXA

Oscar_Madison

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121232112#Comment_121232112

A person can “claim” anything - whether it’s believed by a jury or not is a different matter.

awec

This doesn't really tally with the "skeletal remains" from yesterday:

“There was a tattoo of Tweety Bird [a cartoon character] on the remains that was clearly visible even after six years and we knew Tina had a tattoo of a Tweety Bird while the remains were also wearing some stud jewellery that we knew that Tina had, so it was all pointing towards the body being Tina,” said a source.

The body was found wrapped in black plastic and buried beneath a thick layer of concrete almost a metre deep in a full- size grave dug in the stairwell of the stairs in the hallway of the three-storey terraced house where the main suspect in the case lived.

“This was a full size grave – six feet long and two feet wide and the poor woman was buried almost a metre down so there was serious digging involved in concealing the body – we’re not sure was it the soil type or temperature or what but the body was remarkably well preserved,” said the source.

from https://www.irishtimes.com/crime-law/2023/10/13/human-remains-found-at-house-in-youghal-confirmed-to-be-those-of-tina-satchwell/

Killinator

Just in relation to searches and warrants as it's something I've been involved in plenty of.

When you apply for a warrant you must provide what's called an 'information'(which is legally recorded in case sh*t hits the fan!) to the judge/peace commissioner (in this case a judge would've been used due to seriousness of case and because it wasn't needed to be obtained in out of court hours).

The 'information' outlines the grounds for warrant which the judge will read and also question to applicant (Garda) on.

The information has to satisfy the judge that there are reasonable grounds to issue a warrant.

The Gardai couldve searched the house without a warrant with permission from the property owner but he could pull that permission at any stage and as it was just a missing person case the Gardai going in would be looking for clues or indications of what happened but not 'ripping the place apart'....yet. obviously one of the Gardai noted the new construction and this would have been entered into investigation notes. But as it was a missing person, and it's not illegal to just up and leave your life behind, nothing was found that could be used as tangible evidence that anything untoward had happened (construction in your own home is not an offence). So no 'information' to provide to a judge.

The real world of investigation is generally not like tv where you get a sudden big break (because in the real world when you get written into a corner you can't just write yourself out), except every so often you catch a break, someone spots something, hears something or says something and someone has the good sense to pass on that information to Gardai.

Now that Gardai have the vital information they needed, can go infront of a judge and give 'information' which gives reasonable belief that an offence had been committed and tear the f**king house down until they found what they now knew was there.

As Denzel said in Training Day, "it's not what you know, it's what you can prove"

I commend everyone involved in locating poor Tina and I look forward to the day that Richard hears 'guilty' from the dock.

monkeybutter

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121232128#Comment_121232128

shovel, i wouldn't even need to bring my own, he had a few still stained with concrete

monkeybutter

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121232131#Comment_121232131

reasonable doubt..... reasonable

OwlsZat

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121224194#Comment_121224194

This didn't age well

Oscar_Madison

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121232147#Comment_121232147

Wow- just wow.

listermint

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121232152#Comment_121232152

It does beg the question though as to why brand new construction in house where a spouse is missing and there's a significant delay on report of missing versus date of report . Doesn't fit criteria for deeper search warrant. And no I don't mean tear the house down.

Exploratory low impact work would have uncovered more questionable work with very little explanation. Would habe required receipts for materials etc.

There's threads here that I think should have been pulled more but weren't. This relied once again on pure accident to solve the case.

If not for the neighbour chances are she'd remain missing forever.

Seth Brundle

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121232155#Comment_121232155

So you'd have barged your way into a house and dig the entire place up. Do you think the owner would be happy to stand there and let you do it? When the gardai subsequently arrive, will they also stand there and watch you dig?

Anyhow, in this case, it turns out that the body was under a metre of concrete. Not sure if your flimsy shovel would have managed to do much digging there.

FFS some people seem to be living in a dream world!