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Twitter's alleged bias towards left-wing trolls.

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,909 ✭✭✭CtevenSrowder


    Bambi wrote: »
    George Carlin said Fascism in America would wear nikes and a smiley face.


    Whats really interesting is those that who are trying to defend the corporations don't even try to make good faith arguments, what you get is obtuseness ("but technically thats not fascism") and resorting to labelling everyone else racists and bigots...or human refuse.:o

    Describing what's going on as fascism is ridiculous though, and no better than describing someone who doesn't think the BLM movement is the greatest thing ever is a racist. It is certainly worrisome alright, authoritarian even, but fascism it is not.


  • Registered Users Posts: 9,252 ✭✭✭FTA69


    Bambi wrote: »
    George Carlin said Fascism in America would wear nikes and a smiley face.


    Whats really interesting is those that who are trying to defend the corporations don't even try to make good faith arguments, what you get is obtuseness ("but technically thats not fascism") and resorting to labelling everyone else racists and bigots...or human refuse.:o

    Well I haven’t done that here to be fair to my good self.

    Likewise Twitter’s actions etc aren’t fascism, there’s no ‘technically’ about it really. Private corporations controlling the media to an agenda is as old as modern capitalism.


  • Registered Users Posts: 10,117 ✭✭✭✭Junkyard Tom


    I would say corporate control of the mass media is a requirement for capitalistic countries. I mean, how else do you convince the masses that having billionaires and hungry children of working parents in the same country is somehow 'normal'.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,176 ✭✭✭Silentcorner


    FTA69 wrote: »
    This is it like. We live in an era of unprecedentedly unregulated free market capitalism with wealth concentrated at the top like never before and there’s people who swear blind that we live in an era of “communism”, “Marxism”, “cultural Marxism” etc. It’s absolutely nuts. There seems to be an obsession over political aesthetics (culture wars, tone policing, right on beliefs) rather than actual politics eg who owns what and questions of power etc.

    Like here in Britain we have a right-wing Tory Party in power for the past 15 years, increased privatisation, public services falling apart and accelerating social and economic inequality and there’s people who will swear blind we’re on the verge of turning into Cuba because they’re too busy focusing on identitarian issues.

    Identity politics, which is rooted in Marxist ideology is the preserve of the political and ideological left, it is all over Academia in the Anglosphere and the EU in particular....the obsession of race and gender is not a feature of any conservative political ideology, which is why so many are accused of misogyny or racism, because when a political position abandons logic it's only choice is to overwhelm logic or silence it...I would urge anyone to take a look at what is happening to the Science Departments across Universities in the Developed World, this is not a figment of anyone's imagination.

    Feminism and BLM ideology are all over our culture and has infested the global corporations, institutions and universities and has brought with is the logically ridiculous Gender/Race Critical theories that are becoming more and more authoritarian in their behaviour and attitudes to opposing views.

    The insistence of Gender Quotas, Race Quotas is a massive threat to the SME industries as a result which will undermine an economies ability to provide employment and opportunity to it's citizens in the future, and our ability to be able to take economic downturns.

    The wave of statue toppling, the continued distortion of history, the undermining of the police authorities and political violence is the preserve of the political left....the silencing of opposing political views is the preserve of the political left.

    The political left in previous times would have loved an anti globalist, anti war, pro LGBT, pro Black President...turns out when they got one, they despised him!!! Repeatedly calling him a fascist, a white supremacist, misogynist....because he didn't speak right, didn't make them feel warm inside, he didn't have the ability to disguise his narcissism like his predecessor...which was in my view his biggest fault which cost him a second term.

    We live in an era where Global Corporations have been allowed to become more powerful than the nation states they are based in, this is not a left/right issue as both are guilty of allowing this to happen, they use that power to ensure they can stamp out competition at every level.

    The best example are Facebook and Google who should never have been allowed to accrue their dominant market positions....but there are plenty more.

    You can elect a Conservative Political party, but if major institutions (media, academia, state institutes) have succumbed to identity politics it is very difficult to deliver on conservative ideals, which is why in my view, genuinely far right political parties across Europe will indeed become a threat to peace in the decades ahead.


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,342 ✭✭✭✭rossie1977


    Fascism is very clearly defined. All fascist regimes had following in common

    1. Overt nationalism
    2. Distain for human rights
    3. Blaming all the ills of society on a certain group of people
    4. Supremacy of the military
    5. Rampant sexism
    6. Government controlling mass media
    7. Obsession with national security
    8. Religion and government intertwined
    9. Corporate power protected
    10. Labour power massively suppressed
    11. Distain for the arts and intellectuals in society
    12. Obsession with crime and punishment
    13. Corruption and cronyism
    14. Fraudulent elections.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 18,951 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    :rolleyes:
    In theory they are different but in practice similar (which is what my point is).

    That only depends upon who is using them and for what gain. At their base level, both systems are quite different. But that doesn't mean that the likes of Communism can't be used by whomever to achieve totalitarian goals. As we have seen historically, it can be utilised by totalitarians to garner support among the "masses", as it's the "masses" that stand to benefit from its basic tenets.

    But it's not a given thing, as it almost assuredly is with a system like fascism.

    The only genuine overlap between both systems is an anti democratic nature of sorts and a rejection of liberalism to varying degrees. But Communism isn't necessarily anti democratic. Technically, you could have a Communist state, with democracy of sorts. That's probably not possible with a Fascist state, which by its very nature, demands a dictatorial head and is more easily used as a means of despotism.


  • Registered Users Posts: 18,951 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    Identity politics, which is rooted in Marxist ideology...

    Right off the bat, you're wrong.




  • :rolleyes:

    I am not objectively wrong. Your whole argument is backwards. In theory they are different but in practice similar (which is what my point is). Both systems/ideologies result in severe income inequality, both lead to brutal oppression of dissenters, are highly authoritarian, are anti-democratic, means of production are ultimately directed by the state, both give little prominence to the individual etc.



    Which has got nothing to do with the differences/similarities between fascism and communism.
    My argument is nothing. Fascists cannot be left wing.

    You are, objectively, fundamentally wrong.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,586 ✭✭✭uptherebels


    newhouse87 wrote: »
    I wouldn't understand your meaning of double standards is what you mean, and that's perfectly fine with me.

    So instead of proving me wrong, you choose to deflect....
    Why don't you explain your understanding of double standard and compare the pelosi tweet with Trump within your understanding for us.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 50,834 CMod ✭✭✭✭Retr0gamer


    Identity politics, which is rooted in Marxist ideology is the preserve of the political and ideological left, it is all over Academia in the Anglosphere and the EU in particular....the obsession of race and gender is not a feature of any conservative political ideology, which is why so many are accused of misogyny or racism, because when a political position abandons logic it's only choice is to overwhelm logic or silence it...I would urge anyone to take a look at what is happening to the Science Departments across Universities in the Developed World, this is not a figment of anyone's imagination.

    Feminism and BLM ideology are all over our culture and has infested the global corporations, institutions and universities and has brought with is the logically ridiculous Gender/Race Critical theories that are becoming more and more authoritarian in their behaviour and attitudes to opposing views.

    The insistence of Gender Quotas, Race Quotas is a massive threat to the SME industries as a result which will undermine an economies ability to provide employment and opportunity to it's citizens in the future, and our ability to be able to take economic downturns.

    The wave of statue toppling, the continued distortion of history, the undermining of the police authorities and political violence is the preserve of the political left....the silencing of opposing political views is the preserve of the political left.

    The political left in previous times would have loved an anti globalist, anti war, pro LGBT, pro Black President...turns out when they got one, they despised him!!! Repeatedly calling him a fascist, a white supremacist, misogynist....because he didn't speak right, didn't make them feel warm inside, he didn't have the ability to disguise his narcissism like his predecessor...which was in my view his biggest fault which cost him a second term.

    We live in an era where Global Corporations have been allowed to become more powerful than the nation states they are based in, this is not a left/right issue as both are guilty of allowing this to happen, they use that power to ensure they can stamp out competition at every level.

    The best example are Facebook and Google who should never have been allowed to accrue their dominant market positions....but there are plenty more.

    You can elect a Conservative Political party, but if major institutions (media, academia, state institutes) have succumbed to identity politics it is very difficult to deliver on conservative ideals, which is why in my view, genuinely far right political parties across Europe will indeed become a threat to peace in the decades ahead.

    Tl;dr anything that doesn't agree with my bigotry is.communism and trump is apparently very progressive.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 11,342 ✭✭✭✭rossie1977


    Tony EH wrote: »
    Right off the bat, you're wrong.

    That post was so crazy I don't know what to say lol

    He described Trump as 'anti globalist, anti war, pro LGBT, pro Black President'.. holy f**k!!


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,176 ✭✭✭Silentcorner


    Retr0gamer wrote: »
    Tl;dr anything that doesn't agree with my bigotry is.communism and trump is apparently very progressive.

    I'm sorry, did you just call me a bigot?


  • Registered Users Posts: 10,117 ✭✭✭✭Junkyard Tom


    Identity politics, which is rooted in Marxist ideology

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  • Registered Users Posts: 11,342 ✭✭✭✭rossie1977


    My argument is nothing. Fascists cannot be left wing.

    You are, objectively, fundamentally wrong.

    They can't. Religion playing huge role in government, protecting corporate power at all costs and suppressing labour power are three completely anti left wing ideologies.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,042 ✭✭✭Carfacemandog


    Bambi wrote: »
    George Carlin said Fascism in America would wear nikes and a smiley face.


    Whats really interesting is those that who are trying to defend the corporations don't even try to make good faith arguments, what you get is obtuseness ("but technically thats not fascism") and resorting to labelling everyone else racists and bigots...or human refuse.:o
    Bambi wrote: »
    Are you still banging on about a coup? Even Hitler had the decency not to come out with nonsense like that until the Reichstag was burned down.

    Ludicrous nonsense.

    Good thing I know just the person to answer deal with your concerns with all the good faith you would like:
    Bambi wrote: »
    You claimed that Parler was the equivalent to stormfront, another trope so standard that it has its own meme:

    147.jpg

    No, no... wait. Maybe that's not quite genuine enough. Hold on, I'll get another one for you:
    Bambi wrote: »
    As for the trailer you've linked that you think proves a point, its a bog standard fps trailer. The little ad blast that caused a tiff was blatantly riffing on present day events "If you're a Nazi...*punch*... GTFO". Completely different and caused no small amount of controversy due to the current trend in certain quarters of defining "nazi" as follows

    147.jpg

    Wait, wait, wait... we're not done. :D
    Bambi wrote: »
    The good work will never be complete, of course


    qwig6dttrl511.jpg


    But yeah... let's have "good faith discussion" about how people Bambi disagrees with are fascists and Nazis. :pac:


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,176 ✭✭✭Silentcorner


    rossie1977 wrote: »
    That post was so crazy I don't know what to say lol

    He described Trump as 'anti globalist, anti war, pro LGBT, pro Black President'.. holy f**k!!

    Name a war that was started in the last 4 years.
    Show me an era where the black community enjoyed employment and earning rates that were better than the last 4 years.
    Show me a President that included lgbt rights in foreign policy
    https://eu.usatoday.com/story/opinion/voices/2020/08/20/donald-trump-lgbtq-lgbt-gay-rights-republican-equality-column/5605491002/

    Did you not notice his increased vote from these demographics in the November election? How do you think he achieved that?


  • Registered Users Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    Good thing I know just the person to answer deal with your concerns with all the good faith you would like:



    No, no... wait. Maybe that's not quite genuine enough. Hold on, I'll get another one for you:



    Wait, wait, wait... we're not done. :D




    But yeah... let's have "good faith discussion" about how people Bambi disagrees with are fascists and Nazis. :pac:


    Lets have an argument then, have I called any poster a Nazi?


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,614 ✭✭✭WrenBoy


    Name a war that was started in the last 4 years.
    Show me an era where the black community enjoyed employment and earning rates that were better than the last 4 years.
    Show me a President that included lgbt rights in foreign policy
    https://eu.usatoday.com/story/opinion/voices/2020/08/20/donald-trump-lgbtq-lgbt-gay-rights-republican-equality-column/5605491002/

    Did you not notice his increased vote from these demographics in the November election? How do you think he achieved that?

    The gay nazis and the black nazis obviously, duh !


  • Registered Users Posts: 18,951 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    Akesh wrote: »
    It's very odd watching a bunch of Marxists complain about other totalitarian ideologies. The irony is obviously lost on some of you.

    Communism, marxism, socialism are as evil and regressive as fascism.

    Playing word games doesn't change that fact.

    LOL

    Did the discussion get too complex for you. :pac:


  • Registered Users Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    Akesh wrote: »
    It's very odd watching a bunch of Marxists complain about other totalitarian ideologies. The irony is obviously lost on some of you.

    Communism, marxism, socialism are as evil and regressive as fascism.

    Playing word games doesn't change that fact.

    Word games are the only defence, its why identitarians are so obssesed with changing word definitions when it suits them and being pedantic when it doesn't


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  • Registered Users Posts: 10,117 ✭✭✭✭Junkyard Tom


    Akesh wrote: »
    a bunch of Marxists .

    hqdefault.jpg


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 50,834 CMod ✭✭✭✭Retr0gamer


    Name a war that was started in the last 4 years.
    Show me an era where the black community enjoyed employment and earning rates that were better than the last 4 years.
    Show me a President that included lgbt rights in foreign policy
    https://eu.usatoday.com/story/opinion/voices/2020/08/20/donald-trump-lgbtq-lgbt-gay-rights-republican-equality-column/5605491002/

    Did you not notice his increased vote from these demographics in the November election? How do you think he achieved that?

    By inheriting a booming economy thanks to the obama administration, who also by the way didn't start any wars.

    Also voting across the board increase. He still lost the popular vote mostly due to an energised black community voting against him.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 50,834 CMod ✭✭✭✭Retr0gamer


    Akesh wrote: »
    It's very odd watching a bunch of Marxists complain about other totalitarian ideologies. The irony is obviously lost on some of you.

    Communism, marxism, socialism are as evil and regressive as fascism.

    Playing word games doesn't change that fact.

    Free health care and public transport aren't evil.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,042 ✭✭✭Carfacemandog


    Bambi wrote: »
    Lets have an argument then, have I called any poster a Nazi?

    Yes, Retr0gamer who you directly compared to Hitler unfavourably:
    Bambi wrote: »
    Retr0gamer wrote: »
    There's only one person trying to over throw a democratically voted decision and it's not big tech.

    Are you still banging on about a coup? Even Hitler had the decency not to come out with nonsense like that until the Reichstag was burned down.

    Ludicrous nonsense.

    Carry on whingeing about 'good faith' discussions while shrieking about how all the scary Nazis around you. Don't expect to be taken seriously on it with your posting history, though. It's hilarious watching the tears flow. :)


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,561 ✭✭✭JJayoo


    This thread = stupid people trying to sound smart.


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,176 ✭✭✭Silentcorner


    Retr0gamer wrote: »
    By inheriting a booming economy thanks to the obama administration, who also by the way didn't start any wars.

    Also voting across the board increase. He still lost the popular vote mostly due to an energised black community voting against him.

    It was booming for global corporations, it wasn't booming for anyone who didn't work in those companies.

    Still doesn't explain how he got the highest black vote of any Republican candidate in decades.

    He lost the popular vote largely because of white men...

    https://www.westernjournal.com/exit-poll-trump-makes-big-gains-minority-men-women-loses-support-white-men/

    Can you please explain why you called me a bigot ?


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,342 ✭✭✭✭rossie1977


    Name a war that was started in the last 4 years.

    Trump massively increased bombings in Middle East compared to his predecessor and it got so bad he stopped reporting it.

    He helped back the Saudis in their war in Yemen which killed thousands.
    Show me an era where the black community enjoyed employment and earning rates that were better than the last 4 years.

    Black unemployment is continually up and down. When black unemployment fell Trump took credit, when it rose again not a peep.

    What specifically did Trump do to increase black employment?

    Certainly didn't do anything in White House..
    https://twitter.com/AmandiOnAir/status/1270361553968205827


    LGBT rights fell massively under Trump.

    1. He firstly sought to reverse health care protection for trans people
    2. Banned trans from serving in military
    3. Eliminated rules protecting trans students
    4. Tried to introduce a ruling where companies could fire gay people under religious exemption
    5. Tried to introduce ruling whereby gay people wouldn't be protected under sex discrimination law.
    Did you not notice his increased vote from these demographics in the November election? How do you think he achieved that?

    His black vote was still low. Much lower than George Bush Jr. Similar to Romney and McCain who were running against a black man..


  • Registered Users Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    FTA69 wrote: »
    Well I haven’t done that here to be fair to my good self.

    Likewise Twitter’s actions etc aren’t fascism, there’s no ‘technically’ about it really. Private corporations controlling the media to an agenda is as old as modern capitalism.

    No you havent, and I wasnt implying that you were so apologies if you got that impression




  • Tony EH wrote: »
    That only depends upon who is using them and for what gain. At their base level, both systems are quite different. But that doesn't mean that the likes of Communism can't be used by whomever to achieve totalitarian goals. As we have seen historically, it can be utilised by totalitarians to garner support among the "masses", as it's the "masses" that stand to benefit from its basic tenets.

    But it's not a given thing, as it almost assuredly is with a system like fascism.

    The only genuine overlap between both systems is an anti democratic nature of sorts and a rejection of liberalism to varying degrees. But Communism isn't necessarily anti democratic. Technically, you could have a Communist state, with democracy of sorts. That's probably not possible with a Fascist state, which by its very nature, demands a dictatorial head and is more easily used as a means of despotism.
    Excellent post.


    Carlin's quote is noteworthy :)


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  • Registered Users Posts: 10,299 ✭✭✭✭BloodBath


    Retr0gamer wrote: »
    By inheriting a booming economy thanks to the obama administration, who also by the way didn't start any wars.

    Also voting across the board increase. He still lost the popular vote mostly due to an energised black community voting against him.

    Oh please, Obama was even worse than Bush. He might have pulled troops out but bombings and drone strikes went through the roof.

    Are you forgetting about Libya and Syria as well? Also Somalia and Yemem.


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