Schools closed until March/April? (part 4) **Mod warning in OP 22/01**

Hurrache

lulublue22 wrote: »

Guidance / circulars from DES are instructions.

I know, and I'm not claiming otherwise. But I haven't seen them, from the schools I deal with, or otherwise, with an update that the class is not to open all windows. Like I said, common sense suited to the conditions have been used until now.

History Queen

lulublue22 wrote: »

Guidance / circulars from DES are instructions.

I feel we are just going around in circles. Teachers have explained the situation numerous times and I posted the November guidelines, I think Hurrache perhaps misunderstood the initial poster.

How are you finding the LWR role? (If you don't mind me asking) in practical terms is it difficult to fulfil your normal duties alomgside it?

greenbicycle

Hurrache wrote: »

I'm not looking for something that I don't even know exists. But for all the people claiming it does, it shouldn't be that hard as it'll be in their recent history.

History Queen was kind enough to post the one from November, which posters are saying has changed with guiudelines to the contrary.

you do know it exists, we have told you. its not worth time finding and saving and linking to a document just for you, a stranger who wants to argue against a fact that many on here know to be true.

lulublue22

History Queen wrote: »

I feel we are just going around in circles. Teachers have explained the situation numerous times and I posted the November guidelines, I think Hurrache perhaps misunderstood the initial poster.

How are you finding the LWR role? (If you don't mind me asking) in practical terms is it difficult to fulfil your normal duties alomgside it?

I’m enjoying it - we had inspection and the cigire made a crack about the extra pay for the role which I appreciated to be honest. It can be time consuming - it is an extra on to an already packed day but the staff are great so it’s all good.

Icyseanfitz

Hurrache wrote: »

I'm arguing that some people are taking it as an instruction from DES not to open all windows which will have an affect on Covid19 within the class.

Nothing more than that. Common sense, and what has been done up until now, is that's it's being done to suit the class and weather.



Pretty logical asking others who've read it to show where they read it. Nothing off the wall about it.



No, there's nothing in the document saying you are not to open all the windows. WTF indeed pacman.

You have literally been kindly given the document which outlines the current guidelines for windows in classrooms, it states that windows must be partially opened (that means not all windows are to be opened fully) while students are in class. Curriculars are instructions to schools.

josip

We walked to school this morning and my son set a fast pace
We got there 4 minutes before the school opened.
Maybe 10 other children waiting at the wall outside.
Apologies if it's been covered before but what am I supposed to do in that scenario?
Turn and go immediately?
My instinct is to wait nearby (20m away and masked) until the school opens and I see him go in.
Until the school opens, I believe he's my responsibility?

penny piper

History Queen wrote: »

They don't want all the windows open while students are in class and it is cold. I don't know who you are arguing with, but it is true that we have been advised to avoid having all windows open while teaching due to the cold.

Before Christmas in the school my son teaches in ....they had an inspector come into class (that have windows) ...say " are all the windows are open?" then take off....it all seems very changeable.

Icyseanfitz

Icyseanfitz wrote: »

up until November all windows could be opened fully if the teacher/principal wanted, thats not the case anymore.

The document lists 16 points on ventilation within classrooms, nowhere starting windows cannot be opened fully just

1. In summary, the overall approach for schools should be to have windows open as fully as possible when classrooms are not in use (e.g. during break-times or lunch-times (assuming not in use) and also at the end of each school day) and partially open when classrooms are in use. It is worth noting that windows do not need to be open as wide in windy/colder weather in order to achieve the same level of airflow into the classroom. This will assist in managing comfort levels in classrooms during periods of colder weather

Eoinbmw

Just on the hand sanitisers for primary school kids issue!
I think it is a wise move to ask parents not too give sanitisers to young children it's a bloody chemical and 70%+ alcohol can you imagine if a child for some reason decides to ingest some?
Schools should be fully stocked up with hand sanitisers and they should be used by children under supervision!

Messi19

josip wrote: »

Until the school opens, I believe he's my responsibility?

This sentence pretty much sums things up for me. The current situation has nothing to do with education. He's always your responsibility by the way. He's your son, not a pet

lulublue22

[Deleted User] wrote: »

The document lists 16 points on ventilation within classrooms, nowhere starting windows cannot be opened fully just

I think you are missing the line partially open when in use - which is the majority of the day. Most schools at primary eat lunch in class - yard time is the time out of class provided it’s not lashing - then break inside.

beggars_bush

josip wrote: »

We walked to school this morning and my son set a fast pace
We got there 4 minutes before the school opened.
Maybe 10 other children waiting at the wall outside.
Apologies if it's been covered before but what am I supposed to do in that scenario?
Turn and go immediately?
My instinct is to wait nearby (20m away and masked) until the school opens and I see him go in.
Until the school opens, I believe he's my responsibility?

stand with your child 2m away from other children and parents.
then let them go in once the other children have entered.

beggars_bush

lulublue22 wrote: »

I’m enjoying it - we had inspection and the cigire made a crack about the extra pay for the role which I appreciated to be honest. It can be time consuming - it is an extra on to an already packed day but the staff are great so it’s all good.

a cigire made a joke? seriously?

deiseindublin

lulublue22 wrote: »

I think you are missing the line partially open when in use - which is the majority of the day. Most schools at primary eat lunch in class - yard time is the time out of class provided it’s not lashing - then break inside.

It's so entertaining on this thread to see how selective the "stop whinging and maybe cross your fingers " brigade can be when reading stuff.

Can you imagine them in a workplace of 30+ with the odd window open partially - if there is even a functioning window.

Richard tea

deiseindublin wrote: »

It's so entertaining on this thread to see how selective the "stop whinging and maybe cross your fingers " brigade can be when reading stuff.

Can you imagine them in a workplace of 30+ with the odd window open partially - if there is even a functioning window.

Enjoy the entertainment as it wont last long. Schools will be back to normal soon enough. Then documentaries will be made and the teaching sector will be highlighted and fingered out that it was the only sector/job in Irish society that wanted to quit work whilst other trades/industries cried out to get back to work.

wirelessdude01

Holy flip the kids were wrecked by big lunch today.

sekond

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

Holy flip the kids were wrecked by big lunch today.

The only words I got from my 3rd class pupil when I picked her up were "Good" in response to how was school, and "I'm hungry". But she was grinning from ear to ear, it was clearly a very good day.

She's now devouring a bowl of cereal and playing with the cat, and I have barely heard another word since. I suspect we'll have few arguments at bed time

History Queen

Richard tea wrote: »

Enjoy the entertainment as it wont last long. Schools will be back to normal soon enough. Then documentaries will be made and the teaching sector will be highlighted and fingered out that it was the only sector/job in Irish society that wanted to quit work whilst other trades/industries cried out to get back to work.

Seriously... was there a need?

BonsaiKitten

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

Holy flip the kids were wrecked by big lunch today.

Yeah that's what I'm expecting when my class go back too! It'll be an afternoon of down time for sure. Hope all went well.

lulublue22

beggars_bush wrote: »

a cigire made a joke? seriously?

I know an almost human cigire 😠I appreciated it any way .

lulublue22

lulublue22 wrote: »

I think you are missing the line partially open when in use - which is the majority of the day. Most schools at primary eat lunch in class - yard time is the time out of class provided it’s not lashing - then break inside.

There is absolutely nothing in that document that is perspective. If its read that way by those interpreting the rules in schools, its probably down to years of doffing the cap to the department on everything, but it is clearly, from the wording, guidance on what to consider where possible

Hurrache

Icyseanfitz wrote: »

You have literally been kindly given the document which outlines the current guidelines for windows in classrooms, it states that windows must be partially opened (that means not all windows are to be opened fully) while students are in class. Curriculars are instructions to schools.

Last comment on this madness. It does not say that you can't open all windows, a position a poster was claiming to be a reason as to why it will increase cases. An instruction which other posters are claiming to exist, yet cannot point to where this is instructed, other than to point out the existing document, which in fact doesn't say you cannot open all windows.

greenbicycle

Hurrache wrote: »

Last comment on this madness. It does not say that you can't open all windows, a position a poster was claiming to be a reason as to why it will increase cases. An instruction which other posters are claiming to exist, yet cannot point to where this is instructed, other than to point out the existing document, which in fact doesn't say you cannot open all windows.

Not "cannot" more "not bothered looking for the correct document to pander to your irritating argument". Several people from all over the country have told you the facts as we were given, we have hardly colluded on some plan to tell you a lie.

In fact, I wouldn't even like to go get you that circular now (although they are publicly published) because It will just lead to further nonsense hole picking when you get it.

hesaidshesaid

Anyone else feel like climbing out a partially opened window at this point?

I have one window in my room, both it and the door were open all day. It was freezing, nobody cared.

But if a parent decided they were unhappy that their child was ‘uncomfortable’, that document from the DES doesn’t give schools a leg to stand on. Those parents exist and they are vocal. That’s the problem.

Msbookeeper

Richard tea wrote: »

Enjoy the entertainment as it wont last long. Schools will be back to normal soon enough. Then documentaries will be made and the teaching sector will be highlighted and fingered out that it was the only sector/job in Irish society that wanted to quit work whilst other trades/industries cried out to get back to work.

Not sure if you know but teaching hasn't stopped, just done remotely. You know, like every other job/sector that can be done remotely....so try and hide that chip on your shoulder a bit better.

lulublue22

[Deleted User] wrote: »

There is absolutely nothing in that document that is perspective. If its read that way by those interpreting the rules in schools, its probably down to years of doffing the cap to the department on everything, but it is clearly, from the wording, guidance on what to consider where possible

Give me a break - it is amazing the knowledge and experience those not working in Education posses about the inner workings of the sector from the meaning of circulars to the servile attitude of those working in schools. At least we know now that though the DES pay us our wage we can interpret and or follow or not follow dep guidance and circulars as we see fit.

ETA - the guidelines being referred to are updated guidelines issued in Nov - guess what changed between those issued originally and the updated ones ??

lulublue22

hesaidshesaid wrote: »

Anyone else feel like climbing out a partially opened window at this point?

I have one window in my room, both it and the door were open all day. It was freezing, nobody cared.

But if a parent decided they were unhappy that their child was ‘uncomfortable’, that document from the DES doesn’t give schools a leg to stand on. Those parents exist and they are vocal. That’s the problem.

Don’t be silly - posters on here who despite not working in education know exactly whats what have outlined quite clearly that each and every school are free to interpret dep circulars as they see fit. Anything else is only a servile attitude 🀪

hesaidshesaid

lulublue22 wrote: »

Don’t be silly - posters on here who despite not working in education know exactly whats what have outlined quite clearly that each and every school are free to interpret dep circulars as they see fit. Anything else is only a servile attitude 🀪

I too really enjoy being told what’s happening in schools by those who neither work for the DES or in a school. Brightens my Monday no end. Have an opinion by all means but why contradict people’s lived experience? Seems pointless.

Happily most kids don’t give a **** about windows or DES docs as long as they get to see their friends and have a bit of normality.

combat14

Prof Philip Nolan has said that cases are now arising in younger cohorts.

He noted that the incidence rate is increasing in those aged 19-24, 13-18, five-12, and 25-39.

He added that the situation Ireland is in now is similar to the situation immediately after Halloween, where case numbers increased for about a week to ten days

Icyseanfitz

combat14 wrote: »

Prof Philip Nolan has said that cases are now arising in younger cohorts.

He noted that the incidence rate is increasing in those aged 19-24, 13-18, five-12, and 25-39.

He added that the situation Ireland is in now is similar to the situation immediately after Halloween, where case numbers increased for about a week to ten days

I wonder what changed in the last two weeks for young people ...... ffs