Interclub 2021

DaveQuinn2020

Hi all,

Anyone have any insight or news on Interclub formats under the new WHS. I've been in contact with the Leinster Branch, but the announcement keeps bring pushed out?

I'm wondering what bands, upper and lower limits they will now use under WHS.

For example, will Junior Cup drop to a minimum of 2 or 3 instead of 4 last year. Will Barton Cup remain at a combined 14?

The GUI had originally announced that this would be confirmed in late 2020, but still no updates. Hard enough to plan teams for 2021 with Covid restrictions, but it would be nice to start looking through eligible squads.

fred funk }{

DaveQuinn2020 wrote: »

Hi all,

Anyone have any insight or news on Interclub formats under the new WHS. I've been in contact with the Leinster Branch, but the announcement keeps bring pushed out?

I'm wondering what bands, upper and lower limits they will now use under WHS.

For example, will Junior Cup drop to a minimum of 2 or 3 instead of 4 last year. Will Barton Cup remain at a combined 14?

The GUI had originally announced that this would be confirmed in late 2020, but still no updates. Hard enough to plan teams for 2021 with Covid restrictions, but it would be nice to start looking through eligible squads.

We'll be lucky if interclub goes ahead thus year.

slingerz

fred funk }{ wrote: »

We'll be lucky if interclub goes ahead thus year.

I wouldn’t agree. We managed it last year in the middle of the pandemic and now we have the vaccine roll out I’d suggest interclub is very likely over the summer

Now I wouldn’t expect the GUI to be proactive about communication or setting out the bands for interclub

Poker Face

DaveQuinn2020 wrote: »

Hi all,

Anyone have any insight or news on Interclub formats under the new WHS. I've been in contact with the Leinster Branch, but the announcement keeps bring pushed out?

I'm wondering what bands, upper and lower limits they will now use under WHS.

For example, will Junior Cup drop to a minimum of 2 or 3 instead of 4 last year. Will Barton Cup remain at a combined 14?

The GUI had originally announced that this would be confirmed in late 2020, but still no updates. Hard enough to plan teams for 2021 with Covid restrictions, but it would be nice to start looking through eligible squads.

During a meeting about the new WHS it was said that the new bands for inter club competitions would be decided by the end of Jan

Kingswood Rover

Have clubs even had notification of having too pay their entry fees yet.

Golfhead65

Wouldn't want to miss closing date again KR

Wichita Lineman

No correspondence received in our club yet anyway. Cant say I'm surprised as it's all up in the air at the moment.

Poker Face

Limits are out for this years competitions. Clubs have until end of month to enter teams. Have not time to post all but Junior Cup limit is 2.5. Breun limit 3.5, min combination of paring is 14. Purcell limit 10.5, min combination of paring is 25. Its your Handicap Index that it is based off.

CFG92

Poker Face wrote: »

Limits are out for this years competitions. Clubs have until end of month to enter teams. Have not time to post all but Junior Cup limit is 2.5. Breun limit 3.5, min combination of paring is 14. Purcell limit 10.5, min combination of paring is 25. Its your Handicap Index that it is based off.

Anyone have a link to the document? Nothing on the Golf Ireland website yet.

Golfhead65

Can't forward as I got as email but basically as in PP where the combined is 25 and lowest allowed Handicap index is 10.5 it means that a 10.5&14.5 are eligible but a 10.8 & 14.1 are not even though both round up to 25..1st pair is 25 exact 2nd pair is 24.9

gypsy79

I have a copy here.

I would say very much a trial

Post highlight big changes

Rikand

Myself and one of my friends both got 7.1 in the new system..... Hello Jimmy Bruen!

willabur

It's Barton 4 ball again?

gypsy79

willabur wrote: »

It's Barton 4 ball again?

I scanned there and you would say that all comps are back to original

But I would say that it is actually tbd

DaveQuinn2020

Full document published at lunch time today.

Headlines -

- No change to Senior Cup or Barton Shield obviously.
- Using exact Handicap Indices as of 1st Jan.

Junior Cup Cut Off 2.5
Barton Cup - No change, but using exact handicaps rather than rounded.
Metro Cut Off 8.5
Jimmy Bruen - No less than 3.5 and combined not lower than 14
Pierce Purcell - No less than 10.5, and combined not lower than 25
All Ireland Fourball - No less than 14.5, and combined not lower than 34

Salvadoor

Fourball still due to covid or back to Foursomes?

gypsy79

Salvadoor wrote: »

Fourball still due to covid or back to Foursomes?

It looks like they are leaving open to 4somes but not committing

DaveQuinn2020

Interclub draws and proposed dates have just been released
https://www.golfireland.ie/inter-club#/customer/1759/schedule/2021/0

Neewollah

Thanks for that.....

What is the All Ireland Fourball and the difference between Barton Shield and Barton Cup?

gypsy79

Neewollah wrote: »

Thanks for that.....

What is the All Ireland Fourball and the difference between Barton Shield and Barton Cup?

All Ireland fourball is min handicap 14.5, team adds to 34

NedBagg

Neewollah wrote: »

Thanks for that.....

What is the All Ireland Fourball and the difference between Barton Shield and Barton Cup?

Barton shield is for scratch handicappers ..2 teams of 2..in 4somes.. aggregate score of the 2 teams in matchplay.ie combined number of holes you won by in the 2 games ...where Barton Cup is leinster only ..team of 2.. combined handicap of 14 with no limit on handicaps and it is 4somes ..matchplay ..played off scratch ..handicaps were slightly different last year when it was 4 ball due to covid...Best of 5 games.. 3 at home 2 away or vice versa depending on the draw..

KevH1984

I feel slightly aggrieved regarding the new cut off point for the Junior Cup. Under WHS the new cut off point is 2.5 which means people off 3 can now play, limit was 3.5 (4) previously under old system. However my new WHS handicap is 2.3 which is where the 3 handicap band now begins. Even though I'm off 3 same as someone off 2.5 I cannot now compete against them in the Junior Cup which is highly frustrating. It would make sense to me to have the cut off at 2.3 and allow all 3 handicappers be eligible and not just some. I appreciate there probably won't be all that many getting caught out like me, it's just really annoying.

benji79

For cut offs is it based on lowest 2020 handicap or handicap at 1st January 2021

redzerdrog

KevH1984 wrote: »

I feel slightly aggrieved regarding the new cut off point for the Junior Cup. Under WHS the new cut off point is 2.5 which means people off 3 can now play, limit was 3.5 (4) previously under old system. However my new WHS handicap is 2.3 which is where the 3 handicap band now begins. Even though I'm off 3 same as someone off 2.5 I cannot now compete against them in the Junior Cup which is highly frustrating. It would make sense to me to have the cut off at 2.3 and allow all 3 handicappers be eligible and not just some. I appreciate there probably won't be all that many getting caught out like me, it's just really annoying.

This doesn't make sense to me. How does a 2.3 hcap index be included in 3 hcap band?
You sure you are not taking course hcap into account?

redzerdrog

benji79 wrote: »

For cut offs is it based on lowest 2020 handicap or handicap at 1st January 2021

1st of Jan 2021 I believe

benji79

redzerdrog wrote: »

1st of Jan 2021 I believe

Is there a requirement to have returned a certain number of cards in 2020? I think that used to be the case before. But I guess with lockdown if someone had a handicap on 1st January they’d have had to have done a bit last year

redzerdrog

benji79 wrote: »

Is there a requirement to have returned a certain number of cards in 2020? I think that used to be the case before. But I guess with lockdown if someone had a handicap on 1st January they’d have had to have done a bit last year

Could be wrong but think its if you haven't returned 20 counting cards for hcap purposes over the previous 2 years then the committee can make a judgement on eligibility. Or something along those lines

It does say they will consider the reduced playing time over the past year also I think

Golfhead65

The only proviso for interclub golf this year is that you have a registered handicap index on Jan 1st 2021.

benji79

Golfhead65 wrote: »

The only proviso for interclub golf this year is that you have a registered handicap index on Jan 1st 2021.

Suppose it’s probably just as easy to start everything fresh with a new system in place. Add in that it’s all happening around lockdowns etc so not ideal timing

Golf 247

Does any one know for Barton Cup if combined minimum of 14.0 is an exact combined or can pairs be combined at 14.2, 14.8 etc with no upper limit?

gypsy79

Golf 247 wrote: »

Does any one know for Barton Cup if combined minimum of 14.0 is an exact combined or can pairs be combined at 14.2, 14.8 etc with no upper limit?

No upper limit. Sure most clubs wouldnt be able field a team

That rule was a disaster last year

Golfhead65

Yeah it's a minimum of 14 eg 6.6 + 6.6 in old format was OK but it adds up to 13.2 so not eligible, 6.6 + 7.4 or 7.6 etc is OK as its 14 or above

Kingswood Rover

Hi Folks, how do you get your members Jan 1st WHS handicaps to help work out panels. There used to be the cup and shields report have asked our Club manager who would be very clued in with handicap master, BRS and Masterscoreboard but she was not able to get me anything.

mark316

Whens draws for 2021 due out?

willabur

already done

https://www.golfbox.dk/livescoring/tour/?language=2057#/competition/2908994/info

Poker Face

Kingswood Rover wrote: »

Hi Folks, how do you get your members Jan 1st WHS handicaps to help work out panels. There used to be the cup and shields report have asked our Club manager who would be very clued in with handicap master, BRS and Masterscoreboard but she was not able to get me anything.

No such report available at the moment, Golf Ireland say they are working on it. There is a Inter-club Team Members report but this means having to put every player into the report to see what there HI was on Jan 1st, which is a nightmare to do if you have alot of players to check

Wichita Lineman

I was going to say as above was the best i had found for you.

I printed out our handicap list as at January 1st just in case we needed them. Now looks like that was a good call.

Kingswood Rover

Poker Face wrote: »

No such report available at the moment, Golf Ireland say they are working on it. There is a Inter-club Team Members report but this means having to put every player into the report to see what there HI was on Jan 1st, which is a nightmare to do if you have alot of players to check

Hi yea we did that a bit of a chore but it was the best we could do. We got an e mail back ths morning from Golf Ireland saying that they are very aware of the issue and have flagged it for sorting with the software provider.

Rikand

Wichita Lineman wrote: »

I was going to say as above was the best i had found for you.

I printed out our handicap list as at January 1st just in case we needed them. Now looks like that was a good call.

We did that but then we discovered that in the handicap transfer, a number of our members away scores didn't get processed. I had to go back and manually add in the adjusted gross for all affected members. Pain in the arse but it had to be done to be sure that members had the right handicaps as of Jan 1st. It actually ended up costing us someone who would definitely have been a Junior Cup panel member but his scores were missing, so they had to go in.

Then I ran the report as given above. I didn't find it too painstaking but I'd be a quick typist

Neewollah

Quick question regarding eligibility for teams considering the changes that came in regarding handicaps this year.

Does someone still have to have played 3 qualifying events in the previous year to be eligible for interclub teams this year?

gypsy79

Neewollah wrote: »

Quick question regarding eligibility for teams considering the changes that came in regarding handicaps this year.

Does someone still have to have played 3 qualifying events in the previous year to be eligible for interclub teams this year?

No, just hold handicap at Jan 1st

Wichita Lineman wrote: »

I was going to say as above was the best i had found for you.

I printed out our handicap list as at January 1st just in case we needed them. Now looks like that was a good call.

There is a report you can run for whole team that will have Jan1st handicap

Neewollah

gypsy79 wrote: »

No, just hold handicap at Jan 1st



There is a report you can run for whole team that will have Jan1st handicap

Thanks gypsy

slingerz

Does any other club have issues with team managements? Some of the selections for our teams beggar belief. We have guys playing up a grade if you know what I mean like Purcell eligible playing Bruen, intermediate scratch golfers playing junior cup etc

Rikand

slingerz wrote: »

Does any other club have issues with team managements? Some of the selections for our teams beggar belief. We have guys playing up a grade if you know what I mean like Purcell eligible playing Bruen, intermediate scratch golfers playing junior cup etc

could be team members themselves. We have often in the past had eligible players drop themselves off the panels left, right and centre. Its not always easy being a team manager

Neewollah

We get a lot of good golfers drop themselves off panels for varying reasons and you often end up with guys off slightly higher handicaps. Very hard to get all the guys you need interested.

We generally carry large enough panels and have practice rounds where scores are kept and lads are generally picked on those rounds and the weekend competitions.

Teams can change quite a lot as lads go in and out of form.

slingerz

Neewollah wrote: »

We get a lot of good golfers drop themselves off panels for varying reasons and you often end up with guys off slightly higher handicaps. Very hard to get all the guys you need interested.

We generally carry large enough panels and have practice rounds where scores are kept and lads are generally picked on those rounds and the weekend competitions.

Teams can change quite a lot as lads go in and out of form.

This is more he’s picked 8 possible pairings and cut everyone else adrift. Causing a bit of aggro and def not good for club morale. Any experience of resolving such issues

Rikand

Manager picks the pairings that he think will win him the competition. If the team wins, then he's done the right thing. if the team gets battered early on, then he rightly gets ostracized.

There's nothing that can really be done. Club Captain has picked the manager that he thinks will win him a pennant and you just have to accept that

Neewollah

slingerz wrote: »

This is more he’s picked 8 possible pairings and cut everyone else adrift. Causing a bit of aggro and def not good for club morale. Any experience of resolving such issues

Thats not easy. To be honest it was the same in my own club for a long time. I hadn't been on any team in years yet I was comfortably better than most getting selected...as were others. They had a closed shop on things. Results were poor for years and there was finally a shake up last year. New managers brought a more open selection process. It was ruthless we could have 4 or 5 lads dropped from 1 match to the next depending on form. But I loved that as it kept everyone on their toes and all casual rounds were competitive.

If their are issues within the club it should probably be brought to the committee to look at how to.improve things.

We pretty much have everyone who's eligible for each team added to WhatsApp groups and lads then express whether they have an interest from there.

opinionated3

Going by today's rumours re: nphet and the government, looks like spectators will be allowed to attend in June ( up to 200)

willabur

Pierce Purcell and I assume others which were foresome have reverted to foresome so the powers that be don't see any risk in touching each others balls.

Next can we get rid of the caddy mates and put the rakes back in the bunkers?

Wichita Lineman

Still no caddies whatsoever in the interclubs so some precautions are still being taken. Personally I think this should be retained, particularly in the early stages of the competitions as they can be desperately slow when caddies are involved.