18 months for Carragaline stabbing

Donald Trump

Didn't there used to be a thread on this incident? I couldn't find it.


Seems that the individual in question was sentenced today.
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/its-lamentable-judge-appalled-after-video-of-teen-stabbed-with-a-broken-vodka-bottle-over-2-goes-viral-39890058.html


Got 2.5 years with 12 months suspended. What would that equate to in terms of actual time locked up? Would it even be 12 months?


Seems very little for a premeditated attack where fellas gang up on an innocent young fella and batter and stab him over an excuse of 2 Euro just so they could put up a video on social media.



Anyone know why they didn't try him for attempted murder? I wonder will we see cases for others involved too.

Kivaro

Some of the quotes from the article above:

Gardaí said the unprovoked attack only ended when the attacking teen took the victim's mobile phone and "left him for dead, really".

"It was a needless and frenzied attack – it was devastating for my son and for our family," she said.

From the Judge:

"There was a considerable amount of violence. He had a victim on the ground. That he should have hit him with a bottle – and then stabbed him in the back with the broken bottle?"

The defendant approached, spoke to the teen who had struck the victim, picked up a glass vodka bottle and smashed it over the victim's head. He then used the jagged neck of the glass bottle to stab the victim in the back while he was lying helpless on the ground

The fact that this guy gets 1 1/2 years for such an attack is appalling and it is indeed an indictment of the justice system in Ireland. It is stacked against victims in this country.

It is curious that there was no mention of the racial aspect of this case i.e. black gang setting upon a single white male with his girlfriend, and the racial abuse that the victim endured during the attack and stabbing, which was recorded by the gang.

Gatling

Kivaro wrote: »

It is curious that there was no mention of the racial aspect of this case i.e. black gang setting upon a single white male with his girlfriend, and the racial abuse that the victim endured during the attack and stabbing, which was recorded by the gang.

Of course not ,

Now flip the script (white gang ) attacking a black teen with racist intensions and we would never hear the end of the racist Ireland ,

Daragh1980

What are the backgrounds / social class for the attacker & victim?

Kivaro

Kivaro wrote: »

Some of the quotes from the article above:


From the Judge:


The fact that this guy gets 1 1/2 years for such an attack is appalling and it is indeed an indictment of the justice system in Ireland. It is stacked against victims in this country.

It is curious that there was no mention of the racial aspect of this case i.e. black gang setting upon a single white male with his girlfriend, and the racial abuse that the victim endured during the attack and stabbing, which was recorded by the gang.

The racial aspects not important and I'm not sure why you're so obsessed with race?

Scumbags attacks someone and gets ****ty short sentence, that's the story.

Gatling

bubblypop wrote: »

The racial aspects not important and I'm not sure why you're so obsessed with race

The victim was racially abused during the initial attack and subsequent stabbing ,
It was a race attack

Gatling

Gatling wrote: »

The victim was racially abused during the initial attack and subsequent stabbing ,
It was a race attack

Ah well if that was the case then that's different. That's fair enough

Edit, where did you see the racial aspect? I dont see it anywhere.

Daragh1980

Daragh1980 wrote: »

What are the backgrounds / social class for the attacker & victim?

Don't know about the chap doing the stabbing with the broken vodka bottle, after having smashed him across the head with said bottle, while robbing him, but I imagine here isn't a captain of industry role ahead. Not his first rodeo it seems.
The victim seems like he's from decent stock.

His girl friend saved his life.
The little prick trying to push the girl off him so he could zoom in on his face is as bad

Gatling

bubblypop wrote: »

Ah well if that was the case then that's different. That's fair enough

Edit, where did you see the racial aspect? I dont see it anywhere.

There was a previous thread on it and several videos of the attack and robbery found on social media , including bragging about it after

Akesh

If it was the other way around it would have been all over the media.

We are an embarrassment of a country.

Guffy

bubblypop wrote: »

Ah well if that was the case then that's different. That's fair enough

Edit, where did you see the racial aspect? I dont see it anywhere.

The video and social media posts iirc

Blondini

bubblypop wrote: »

Ah well if that was the case then that's different. That's fair enough

Edit, where did you see the racial aspect? I dont see it anywhere.

The video is still online on some gore sites.

In terms of race all I can say is that scumbag's support group used words like "fam", whilst the poor victim looked at least 10th generation Irish.

Dirtbags.

Daragh1980

MikeOxsgreen wrote: »

Don't know about the chap doing the stabbing with the broken vodka bottle, after having smashed him across the head with said bottle, while robbing him, but I imagine here isn't a captain of industry role ahead. Not his first rodeo it seems.
The victim seems like he's from decent stock.

His girl friend saved his life.

Ah ha!
So the stabber wasn’t a posh white guy from a privileged background?

Interesting to see how w*nkers like Soundmigration will spin this on Twitter. Many of the left insist that “money talks” when it comes to light sentences.

eurokev

I absolutely guarantee that he will murder someone before he hits 30, and the judge will have swanned off with a massive pension, enjoying his life, while some family are in despair.

Are we allowed post his name??

take everything

The defendant denied three times to the gardai that he was responsible.

And posted the attack to the internet.

And seemingly left this young fella for dead.

Sounds like a stand-up guy.

Disgusting, ridiculous sentence.
I'd be beside myself if I was the victim's parents.

statesaver

Seems very little for attempted murder.

He'll be in and out of jail for the rest of his life.

Don't know how the fcuk this wasn't attempted murder?

Victim bleeding on the ground defenceless, our friend stabs him with the bottle- girl tries to protect him - the other King tries to push her out of the way to zoom in on his face, and our main King comes in again, pushed the girl out of the way, and stabs a few more times.

If the attack wasn't bad enough, the scumbags put it all over social media bosting.

Donald Trump

eurokev wrote: »

I absolutely guarantee that he will murder someone before he hits 30, and the judge will have swanned off with a massive pension, enjoying his life, while some family are in despair.

Are we allowed post his name??

His name was not in the article so I would not write it here. But it was widely published at the time.



His name is irrelevant for the points raised anyway. If people start going on about individuals' backgrounds etc then I'd say the thread will be locked.

KrustyUCC

Kivaro wrote: »

Some of the quotes from the article above:


From the Judge:


The fact that this guy gets 1 1/2 years for such an attack is appalling and it is indeed an indictment of the justice system in Ireland. It is stacked against victims in this country.

It is curious that there was no mention of the racial aspect of this case i.e. black gang setting upon a single white male with his girlfriend, and the racial abuse that the victim endured during the attack and stabbing, which was recorded by the gang.

The racial aspect of the case was used by the defense

"Mr Boyle said of the defendant: “He was subjected to hatred in the community, focusing on the event and his ethnicity.” The barrister said the defendant had since moved out of Cork. "

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/courtandcrime/arid-40194798.html

SEPT 23 1989

If they were knocking back 90's yokes nobody would be stabbing anybody

Tauriel

KrustyUCC wrote: »

The racial aspect of the case was used by the defense

"Mr Boyle said of the defendant: “He was subjected to hatred in the community, focusing on the event and his ethnicity.” The barrister said the defendant had since moved out of Cork. "

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/courtandcrime/arid-40194798.html

Boo fcuking hoo.

He'll be no loss to Cork.

statesaver

mustang shelly wrote: »

Boo fcuking hoo.

He'll be no loss to Cork.

Went to Limerick after the attack. Posted video from there on social media.

Donald Trump

KrustyUCC wrote: »

The barrister said the defendant had since moved out of Cork.

It should have been part of his sentence that he have to stay there for X number of years.


Feck the UN and their rules against "cruel and unusual punishment".

Tauriel

statesaver wrote: »

Went to Limerick after the attack. Posted video from there on social media.

Yeah, I saw that on Twitter alright.

Can't believe his solicitors gall to try to get sympathy for him.

take everything

mustang shelly wrote: »

Yeah, I saw that on Twitter alright.

Can't believe his solicitors gall to try to get sympathy for him.

I don't understand how the racial guff his solicitor was talking about would be in anyway germane to the case anyway.

Season 2

Season 2 wrote: »

So, nothing to see here, move along move along..

Plenty to see I would think. I
Scumbags gets very short sentence, no doubt it won't be his last.

Donald Trump

mustang shelly wrote: »

Yeah, I saw that on Twitter alright.

Can't believe his solicitors gall to try to get sympathy for him.

That's the solicitor's job. They are not supposed to be judge and jury. You can't blame them for that. Someone has to represent the accused so that they can be brought to trial.

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000

Gatling wrote: »

Of course not ,

Now flip the script (white gang ) attacking a black teen with racist intensions and we would never hear the end of the racist Ireland ,

Not to mention the destruction that follow similar incidents and the non stop lecturing from the media.

take everything

Donald Trump wrote: »

That's the solicitor's job. They are not supposed to be judge and jury. You can't blame them for that. Someone has to represent the accused so that they can be brought to trial.

Of course it is. But it's a non-defence and I can't see how his solicitor can get away with bringing up such weak rubbish. I hope it had no bearing on the case.

Donald Trump

take everything wrote: »

Of course it is. But it's a non-defence and I can't see how his solicitor can get away with bringing up such weak rubbish. I hope it had no bearing on the case.

I'd imagine it had no bearing. But if the solicitor just said "You're a guilty little shite and I'm not going to bother me bollix trying to help you" then the accused could claim they didn't get a fair trial.



I'd rather see someone putting forward those kinds of weak arguments because if they are scraping the bottom of the barrel for that, it highlights that they have absolutely nothing better to offer

katiek102010

mustang shelly wrote: »

Yeah, I saw that on Twitter alright.

Can't believe his solicitors gall to try to get sympathy for him.

Didnt he kick the **** out of someone in limerick a few days later, also put on social media. Didn't he also attack a bus driver this time last year in Cork.

Don't think it's the last of him that we will hear off in the press

take everything

katiek102010 wrote: »

Didnt he kick the **** out of someone in limerick a few days later, also put on social media. Didn't he also attack a bus driver this time last year in Cork.

Don't think it's the last of him that we will hear off in the press

Scumbag has a significant internet presence, acting the hard man.
A real gangsta.

Gurning for his fifteen minutes even after this incident.
No remorse whatsoever.

Ridiculous sentence.
As you say, not the last we'll hear about him.

Gatling

katiek102010 wrote: »

Didnt he kick the **** out of someone in limerick a few days later, also put on social media. Didn't he also attack a bus driver this time last year in Cork.

Don't think it's the last of him that we will hear off in the press

Apparently there is a video of him attacking another lad laying defenceless on the ground while he repeatedly hit him with a vodka bottle in the head

Kivaro

KrustyUCC wrote: »

The racial aspect of the case was used by the defense

"Mr Boyle said of the defendant: “He was subjected to hatred in the community, focusing on the event and his ethnicity.” The barrister said the defendant had since moved out of Cork. "

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/courtandcrime/arid-40194798.html

Going forward, we should expect to see similar defenses from black defendants before the courts in Ireland. In the last few years we already had Judges giving reduced prison sentences to criminals due to their ethnicity, stating that they would have a harder time in prison. The mind boggles.

Ethnicity is also used as an excuse for the extremely poor percentage of Africans engaged in employment in Ireland. One could ask if there is a correlation between criminality and lack of employment.
Wonder where did the country go wrong, as we were told that Ireland would be different with these types of issues, which were previously observed all around Europe.

clio_16v

statesaver wrote: »

Went to Limerick after the attack. Posted video from there on social media.

The video was filmed in the estate he lived in in Cork

Blondini

take everything wrote: »

Scumbag has a significant internet presence, acting the hard man.
A real gangsta.

Send him up to Finglas South throwing shapes.

I'd say he would last 3 minutes.

suicide_circus

I'm not convinced expunging violent crimes from people's records when they turn 18 is a good thing...

weldoninhio

Donald Trump wrote: »

Didn't there used to be a thread on this incident? I couldn't find it.


Seems that the individual in question was sentenced today.
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/its-lamentable-judge-appalled-after-video-of-teen-stabbed-with-a-broken-vodka-bottle-over-2-goes-viral-39890058.html


Got 2.5 years with 12 months suspended. What would that equate to in terms of actual time locked up? Would it even be 12 months?


Seems very little for a premeditated attack where fellas gang up on an innocent young fella and batter and stab him over an excuse of 2 Euro just so they could put up a video on social media.



Anyone know why they didn't try him for attempted murder? I wonder will we see cases for others involved too.

A prison year is 9 months. He’ll serve 13.5 months. That’s some fcuking justice

Beechwoodspark

Should get life for such a sickening disgusting attack

Jin luk

The courts in this country is unbelievable,

Stabbings and acid attacks should be on par with attempted murder simple as that lay the law down hard on them and make an example of these incidents otherwise they will just rise over time.

weldoninhio

bubblypop wrote: »

The racial aspects not important and I'm not sure why you're so obsessed with race?

Scumbags attacks someone and gets ****ty short sentence, that's the story.

It was a filmed racial attack, you can hear them verbally abusing him on the ground. Racism is a serious crime last I heard.

Ireland’s hate crime legislation, the Prohibition of Incitement to Hatred Act 1989 makes it an offence to create or distribute racist, homophobic or other discriminatory materials. Offenders face a maximum of two years in prison and a fine of up to €10,000.

Beechwoodspark

Imagine the headlines if this was a reversed situation in terms of the gangs involved

sasta le

Got off light because they are black

Mod: Banned

Annasopra

Gatling wrote: »

The victim was racially abused during the initial attack and subsequent stabbing ,
It was a race attack

No. It wasnt.

https://www.corkbeo.ie/news/local-news/far-right-groups-weaponise-cork-18388964

https://farrightobservatory.medium.com/how-white-nationalists-tried-and-failed-to-exploit-carrigaline-d986c54a2e6a

suicide_circus

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

No. It wasnt.

https://www.corkbeo.ie/news/local-news/far-right-groups-weaponise-cork-18388964

https://farrightobservatory.medium.com/how-white-nationalists-tried-and-failed-to-exploit-carrigaline-d986c54a2e6a

Case closed.

Annasopra

suicide_circus wrote: »

Case closed.

The case wasnt used by far right racists?

Gatling

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

No. It wasnt.

Unfortunately not for the first time your propaganda is false .

Videos prove you wrong

suicide_circus

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

The case wasnt used by far right racists?

It's not a race crime if those two publications say it's not.

suicide_circus

Gatling wrote: »

Unfortunately not for the first time your propaganda is false .

Videos prove you wrong

I didnt see the video thank god

Was race brought up during the attack?

Annasopra

Gatling wrote: »

Unfortunately not for the first time your propaganda is false .

Videos prove you wrong

Nah. They were caught red handed https://farrightobservatory.medium.com/how-white-nationalists-tried-and-failed-to-exploit-carrigaline-d986c54a2e6a

We know this was a case of far right racists using the kid who was attacked. They couldnt give a **** about him. His family rebuffed the "help"

Gatling

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

Nah.

Your wrong your posting that nonsense serves the point nothing to see here move along