COVID-19: Vaccine and testing procedures Megathread Part 2 [Mod Warning - Post #1]

NeuralNetwork

They need to clarify that those does are not coming from the EU programme. If they are there's a big problem.

The European Programme itself has secured a lot more doses than we'll need, so as the volumes ramp up you should see a situation where we've all got more vaccine than we can use and then you'll start to see excess flowing into COVAX.

However, where's Malta getting this from? It needs to be clarified quite urgently as this will now take off as a story around Europe.

jackboy

NeuralNetwork wrote: »

They need to clarify that those does are not coming from the EU programme. If they are there's a big problem.

The European Programme itself has secured a lot more doses than we'll need, so as the volumes ramp up you should see a situation where we've all got more vaccine than we can use and then you'll start to see excess flowing into COVAX.

However, where's Malta getting this from? It needs to be clarified quite urgently as this will now take off as a story around Europe.

It is likely outside the EU programme. Israel are also paying a premium to get more in quickly.

Elessar

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Happy Saturday!
https://twitter.com/DonnellyStephen/status/1358083299370029066?s=20

Looks like they got a free mobile phone included with the first purchase

plodder

There could be some "scientific" value in following the progress of an isolated small island like Malta, in terms of how long it takes to get the disease under control etc. A bit Israel used aspects of their health system in a similar way. But, it should be clarified where exactly they got these doses from.

Lundstram

Thank God the virus takes Sunday's off too.

Seriously, why the hell are we wasting a day? They love telling us how deadly this virus is but the constant delays after receiving vaccines is hard to stomach.

brickster69

India can't approve Emergency approval For Pfizer.

https://news.yahoo.com/exclusive-pfizer-withdraws-application-emergency-052857135.html

darem93

Lundstram wrote: »

Thank God the virus takes Sunday's off too.

Seriously, why the hell are we wasting a day? They love telling us how deadly this virus is but the constant delays after receiving vaccines is hard to stomach.

Yeah that part is getting me too. They hardly think this is a Monday-Friday job, do they?

Van.Bosch

darem93 wrote: »

Yeah that part is getting me too. They hardly think this is a Monday-Friday job, do they?

No they don’t, the doses have to be checked. People have been vaccinated Monday to Sunday since the start.

Lundstram

darem93 wrote: »

Yeah that part is getting me too. They hardly think this is a Monday-Friday job, do they?

They obviously do. Logistics can't be used as an excuse as you're never further than 3 hours from anywhere in Ireland.

3 (was 4 before pressure came on) day delay for Pfizer, 1 and half for AZ, all this delaying adds up.

Lundstram

Lundstram wrote: »

They obviously do. Logistics can't be used as an excuse as you're never further than 3 hours from anywhere in Ireland.

3 (was 4 before pressure came on) day delay for Pfizer, 1 and half for AZ, all this delaying adds up.

We have used almost every dose we received.

Lundstram

Deleted User wrote: »

We have used every dose we received.

Untrue. They hold buffers. They also dumped a few.

Get your facts straight.

Lundstram

Lundstram wrote: »

Untrue. They hold buffers. They also dumped a few.

Get your facts straight.

Take your own advice

hynesie08

Deleted User wrote: »

We have used every dose we received.

That's not true........ Only 98%

vrusinov

I see people throwing tantrums over one day delay once again.

Folks, we've been in this ****e for almost a year now. One day, or even a few weeks will hardly make a difference in a grand scheme of things.

I understand everyone is tired, and acknowledge on individual level delay may be disastrous. It's fine to criticize and keep rollout in check. But show some appreciation too! The tweet says they will start using vaccines on Monday. That means that following EMA approval everyone involved managed to make a decision and adjust plans and figure out logistics in about a week. This is a big achievement! Of course it might have been possible to do things better, but not by much.

At this point my main criticism will be in communication - as others noted there is a need for single strong voice to provide clear, straightforward and ideally daily updates, even if the update is just "we are still working on it, expect decision by X".

lucernarian

vrusinov wrote: »

I see people throwing tantrums over one day delay once again.

Folks, we've been in this ****e for almost a year now. One day, or even a few weeks will hardly make a difference in a grand scheme of things.

I understand everyone is tired, and acknowledge on individual level delay may be disastrous. It's fine to criticize and keep rollout in check. But show some appreciation too! The tweet says they will start using vaccines on Monday. That means that following EMA approval everyone involved managed to make a decision and adjust plans and figure out logistics in about a week. This is a big achievement! Of course it might have been possible to do things better, but not by much.

At this point my main criticism will be in communication - as others noted there is a need for single strong voice to provide clear, straightforward and ideally daily updates, even if the update is just "we are still working on it, expect decision by X".

I don't agree with that in the first couple of phases - we are/were in a serious situation with very high prevalence of cases, the hospital system was stretched to the very limit and hundreds of elderly in nursing homes died in January from the disease. The delivery of doses for these cohorts go way beyond the importance of even which 55 year or 70 year old gets what vaccine after that point.

Once we've done the most critical targets, then we just need to get the doses out asap and the exact phasing of who goes first won't matter as much epidemiologically.

vrusinov

Fair point, and that what I meant about impact on individual level - for unlucky individuals vaccine administered a day later could literally make life vs death difference.

We are a bit late for overall numbers though - it takes a while before vaccines take effect. Vaccines administered today won't be effective for few days/weeks, so short delay is unlikely to make big difference for current wave.

Now, if we could travel back in time and jab people before Christmas reopening the situation today would have been better.

Danzy

The Serbian Prime Minister has compared the EU vaccination program to the sinking of the Titanic.

They are one of the best performing and have gone to Sinovac.

The New York Times said it wasn't just incompetence or tardiness but a marked skepticism about vaccines as a whole.

I'm not sure on that last part. I'm not aware if any skepticism culturally in Europe about vaccines. The rest is correct.

Danzy

Danzy wrote: »

The Serbian Prime Minister has compared the EU vaccination program to the sinking of the Titanic.

They are one of the best performing and have gone to Sinovac.

The New York Times said it wasn't just incompetence or tardiness but a marked skepticism about vaccines as a whole.

I'm not sure on that last part. I'm not aware if any skepticism culturally in Europe about vaccines. The rest is correct.

Sinovac is one of the least effective out there, and have not even applied for eu authorisation

Kivaro

Danzy wrote: »

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I'm not sure on that last part. I'm not aware if any skepticism culturally in Europe about vaccines. The rest is correct.

According to Sky News, 72% of the black community in the UK will unlikely get the Covid vaccine jab. One of the reasons an "expert" gave when interviewed live was because "We are delicate". Another reason was religion. 72% is a lot. Seems unfair to the rest of UK society.

josip

cameramonkey wrote: »

https://twitter.com/redouad/status/1358053423158075395

malta paying double price to get vaccines quickly.

Malta is such a corrupt country that I wouldn't put any store in anything they do.

josip

Danzy wrote: »

The Serbian Prime Minister has compared the EU vaccination program to the sinking of the Titanic.

They are one of the best performing and have gone to Sinovac.

The New York Times said it wasn't just incompetence or tardiness but a marked skepticism about vaccines as a whole.

I'm not sure on that last part. I'm not aware if any skepticism culturally in Europe about vaccines. The rest is correct.

Vucic is just blowing his own oversized trumpet and trying to claim credit for something that he has had nothing to do with.
He also doesn't allow anyone else in the country to have a trumpet.

Hmob

josip wrote: »

Vucic is just blowing his own oversized trumpet and trying to claim credit for something that he has had nothing to do with.
He also doesn't allow anyone else in the country to have a trumpet.

Politics has skewed a lot of the information in the public domain

The likes of MM blaming the new strain for case numbers

BJ saying the UK strain is 70% more transmissible

It's as annoying as fukk

CrabRevolution

Kivaro wrote: »

According to Sky News, 72% of the black community in the UK will unlikely get the Covid vaccine jab. One of the reasons an "expert" gave when interviewed live was because "We are delicate". Another reason was religion. 72% is a lot. Seems unfair to the rest of UK society.

Rest assured it'll be the rest of society which gets the blame for it.

I'm also willing to bet a shiny penny that there will be research published here in Ireland showing greater proportions of cases and deaths from the virus among travellers but not a word will be said about their widespread ignoring of rules; it'll be everyone else's fault for "discriminating" against them.

brickster69

Anyone know what stocks are like for these special syringes to get 6 doses from a vial that was announced a while ago. the wife was on about this the other day from her pal who works in the NHS.

A few countries seem to be struggling including Portugal

https://observador.pt/2021/02/05/ha-ja-fornecedores-sem-seringas-adequadas-para-as-vacinas-da-covid-19/

The_Brood

Danzy wrote: »

The Serbian Prime Minister has compared the EU vaccination program to the sinking of the Titanic.

They are one of the best performing and have gone to Sinovac.

The New York Times said it wasn't just incompetence or tardiness but a marked skepticism about vaccines as a whole.

I'm not sure on that last part. I'm not aware if any skepticism culturally in Europe about vaccines. The rest is correct.

Not just the vaccines, the entire handling of the coronavirus has been a complete and total debacle that has ruined the lives of countless of people, taken the lives of way more than it should have, and left us in economic devastation. Europe has failed, and it has failed miserably.

Hmob

CrabRevolution wrote: »

Rest assured it'll be the rest of society which gets the blame for it.

I'm also willing to bet a shiny penny that there will be research published here in Ireland showing greater proportions of cases and deaths from the virus among travellers but not a word will be said about their widespread ignoring of rules; it'll be everyone else's fault for "discriminating" against them.

Hopefully restrictions on travel and more will force most to take the vaccine

Hmob

The_Brood wrote: »

Not just the vaccines, the entire handling of the coronavirus has been a complete and total debacle that has ruined the lives of countless of people, taken the lives of way more than it should have, and left us in economic devastation. Europe has failed, and it has failed miserably.

To be clear, what would you have done differently?

I'm not disagreeing but what's your alternative solutions here?

SheepsClothing

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Sinovac is one of the least effective out there, and have not even applied for eu authorisation

Why would they waste their time? They know as well as anyone that the EU will not authorise a Chinese vaccine for use. It's politics.

odyssey06

Kivaro wrote: »

According to Sky News, 72% of the black community in the UK will unlikely get the Covid vaccine jab. One of the reasons an "expert" gave when interviewed live was because "We are delicate". Another reason was religion. 72% is a lot. Seems unfair to the rest of UK society.

If people from that community are still dying while other communities are not... well, nonsense like that can only stand up to so much reality.

SheepsClothing

SheepsClothing wrote: »

Why would they waste their time? They know as well as anyone that the EU will not authorise a Chinese vaccine for use. It's politics.

What makes you think that? The reason Sinovac may not be approved is it seems to be the least effective vaccine out there and there are many better options. The reason China won’t apply is supply of vaccine for them is a play for soft power