COVID-19: Vaccine and testing procedures Megathread Part 2 [Mod Warning - Post #1]

EMA Pfizer approval was for age 16 and up.

https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/news/ema-recommends-first-covid-19-vaccine-authorisation-eu#:~:text=EMA%20has%20recommended%20granting%20a,from%2016%20years%20of%20age.

"EMA has recommended granting a conditional marketing authorisation for the vaccine Comirnaty, developed by BioNTech and Pfizer, to prevent coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) in people from 16 years of age."

JTMan

CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »

The trials didn't include anyone under 18. That's fairly standard with new medicines. I believe Pfizer have started new trials including under 18s.

Yeah, just read a new article on CNBC about this here.

The current Prizer vaccine is authorised, in the US and elsewhere, for those aged 16 and above. Pfizer said it had fully enrolled its Covid-19 vaccine trial in kids ages 12 to 15. Enrollment in Moderna’s adolescent trial got off to a slower start than hoped.

Hopefully the authorisations will be in place to vaccinate 12-16 year olds before the new school year starts.

Also, if/when vaccination certs / 'Green Passports', will be required to travel, then those aged under 16 will be the last group to be allowed travel abroad.

Deleted User wrote: »

EMA Pfizer approval was for age 16 and up.

So why does the HSE say 18-54 for the last group on their website? Why not 16-54? or perhaps a final group for 17-18 year olds?

JTMan

JTMan wrote: »

So why does the HSE say 18-54 for the last group on their website? Why not 16-54? or perhaps a final group for 17-18 year olds?

Group 15 is under 18 and pregnant women. Probably when more safety data is available.

Melanchthon

funnydoggy wrote: »

Not going to approach the rest of your post, but you couldn't be more wrong about me at least.

True sorry in a bad mood and sick of being told not too be negative by people who aren't being as impacted by the restrictions.

Its true about the Europe thing though, the other first world places I can think of either have less restrictions or are further ahead with vacination

funnydoggy

Melanchthon wrote: »

True sorry in a bad mood and sick of being told not too be negative by people who aren't being as impacted by the restrictions.

Its true about the Europe thing though, the other first world places I can think of either have less restrictions or are further ahead with vacination

Don't worry about it, it's a trying time at the moment so I can relate and understand completely

I'm pissed off too but my mental health is trying to take a nosedive so I'm trying to stay as positive as possible :pac:

Micky 32

Jesus, the way Alan Kelly is going on it’s hard to believe we have vaccines or if they are going to make any difference at all. Do they go on like this to create attention or stardom for themselves? All i’m hearing about is further stricter lockdowns, closing borders ( incase new strains being brought in blah blah blah). Mandatory quarantine. Even MM couldn’t even answer would we be back to normal by the end of the year. His reply was we need to be cautious going into next winter, i’m guessing meaning more restrictions next winter.

Will vaccines get us out of this because the soundbites i’m hearing about is these f****g new strains. I mean if we’re all vaccinated are we still going to be restricted just incase we bring a new strain into the country? From where i’m sitting the future looks bleak

You’d swear we don’t have vaccines at all...... rant over

Cork2021

Micky 32 wrote: »

Jesus, the way Alan Kelly is going on it’s hard to believe we have vaccines or if they are going to make any difference at all. Do they go on like this to create stardom for themelves? All i’m hearing is future stricter lockdowns, closing borders ( incase new strains being brought in blah blah blah). Mandatory quarantine.

Will vaccines get us out of this because the soundbites i’m hearing about is these f****g new strains. I mean if we’re all vaccinated are we still going to be restricted just incase we bring a new strain into the country? From where i’m sitting the future looks bleak

You’d swear we don’t have vaccines at all...... rant over

100% we’ll be back to full on normal by September at the latest!!
Seriously I’ve stopped listening to the political side of things as much as possible.
Follow the positive scientists and Twitter good news sites!
Keep the head up! I’ve gone form open the pubs to being very pragmatic but positive about the future!
Fûck the rest!

Apogee

cameramonkey wrote: »

https://twitter.com/wwwojtekk/status/1353135350311481352/photo/1

This is a good sign. Cases in Israel nose diving.

Worth noting that you can't necessarily ascribe this entirely to vaccines - Israel introduced stricter lockdown measures in early January:
https://www.timesofisrael.com/tightened-lockdown-rules-to-take-force-as-official-warns-pandemic-is-raging/

For comparison, the picture in Ireland is equally dramatic (although complicated by backlogs/reporting dates), with much lower vaccine coverage:

Cork2021

Good news

https://twitter.com/coronavirusgoo1/status/1353370156697698304?s=21

Wolf359f

Apogee wrote: »

Worth noting that you can't necessarily ascribe this entirely to vaccines - Israel introduced stricter lockdown measures in early January:
https://www.timesofisrael.com/tightened-lockdown-rules-to-take-force-as-official-warns-pandemic-is-raging/

For comparison, the picture in Ireland is equally dramatic (although complicated by backlogs/reporting dates), with much lower vaccine coverage:

Both charts are linear, top one has Israel on a near vertical drop, the other not so much. Makes no sense

DaSilva

Wolf359f wrote: »

Both charts are linear, top one has Israel on a near vertical drop, the other not so much. Makes no sense

I think the Y axis is different, one is 7-day rolling average new cases per 100k other is just 7-day rolling average number of new cases

Sconsey

Wolf359f wrote: »

Both charts are linear, top one has Israel on a near vertical drop, the other not so much. Makes no sense

Yeah I don't get it either, only difference is one is total cases the other is cases per 100,000. But I would have expected the curves to be the same shape regardless.

Wolf359f

Sconsey wrote: »

Yeah I don't get it either, only difference is one is total cases the other is cases per 100,000. But I would have expected the curves to be the same shape regardless.

Exactly, the curves should be an identical shape.

DaSilva

Wolf359f wrote: »

Exactly, the curves should be an identical shape.

It's also that Israel dropped cases in a shorter amount of time, not the total cases lost

Well that is what the FT graph suggests,

I think they may have different numbers to be honest

brickster69

Obviously the roll out will get ramped up. Certainly hope it does in Hungary.

https://twitter.com/POLITICOEurope/status/1353349131151036417

SEPT 23 1989

Micky 32 wrote: »

Jesus, the way Alan Kelly is going on it’s hard to believe we have vaccines or if they are going to make any difference at all. Do they go on like this to create attention or stardom for themselves? All i’m hearing about is further stricter lockdowns, closing borders ( incase new strains being brought in blah blah blah). Mandatory quarantine. Even MM couldn’t even answer would we be back to normal by the end of the year. His reply was we need to be cautious going into next winter, i’m guessing meaning more restrictions next winter.

Will vaccines get us out of this because the soundbites i’m hearing about is these f****g new strains. I mean if we’re all vaccinated are we still going to be restricted just incase we bring a new strain into the country? From where i’m sitting the future looks bleak

You’d swear we don’t have vaccines at all...... rant over

Kelly would know more than has been released to the general public

stephenjmcd

brickster69 wrote: »

Obviously the roll out will get ramped up. Certainly hope it does in Hungary.

https://twitter.com/POLITICOEurope/status/1353349131151036417

Yeah these sort of graphs are fairly pointless when rollout will of course ramp up. Its like that silly calculator thats based on current level of rollout

Jimi H

Micky 32 wrote: »

Jesus, the way Alan Kelly is going on it’s hard to believe we have vaccines or if they are going to make any difference at all. Do they go on like this to create attention or stardom for themselves? All i’m hearing about is further stricter lockdowns, closing borders ( incase new strains being brought in blah blah blah). Mandatory quarantine. Even MM couldn’t even answer would we be back to normal by the end of the year. His reply was we need to be cautious going into next winter, i’m guessing meaning more restrictions next winter.

Will vaccines get us out of this because the soundbites i’m hearing about is these f****g new strains. I mean if we’re all vaccinated are we still going to be restricted just incase we bring a new strain into the country? From where i’m sitting the future looks bleak

You’d swear we don’t have vaccines at all...... rant over

Yeah I’m wondering about this too. We might hear more about transmission rates after vaccination over the next few weeks. A guy from WHO said a couple of weeks ago that things might be more normal but not as we used to know it. If they vaccinate say 80 % of the population and there’s a 90 % efficacy rate, I could see some people advocating that some restrictions remain but I’d like to hear what the plan is if there is one.

I have little doubt that ultimately there will be an annual/periodic vaccine/booster cocktail containing latest strains for as long as this is needed, and that there will be much better systems developed to distribute and administer such vaccines, maybe even incorporated with flu vaccines. But that wouldn't likely be running until next year if it is found to be required.

is_that_so

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

Kelly would know more than has been released to the general public

Kelly has a soapbox he needs to use at least once a week. It's either outrage or misery from him.

Melanchthon

https://mobile.twitter.com/ElectionMapsUK/status/1353383535978172416

Good news from the UK, though there is few second doses being given. It wouldn't take a huge increase of the vacinated rate for the UK to reach a point where they could have a proper summer with very limited restrictions

dominatinMC

Jimi H wrote: »

Yeah I’m wondering about this too. We might hear more about transmission rates after vaccination over the next few weeks. A guy from WHO said a couple of weeks ago that things might be more normal but not as we used to know it. If they vaccinate say 80 % of the population and there’s a 90 % efficacy rate, I could see some people advocating that some restrictions remain but I’d like to hear what the plan is if there is one.

If we vaccinate 80% of the population with 90% efficacy vaccines, that will be viewed as nothing other than a resounding success. There will be absolutely no justification (or public appetite) for restrictions at that point. Yes, there will still be a very very minor threat from the virus to a very very few unfortunate. However, that risk is not sufficient to justify restrictions. It would be like enforcing restrictions to protect against the flu. Just get on with it

Gael23

dominatinMC wrote: »

If we vaccinate 80% of the population with 90% efficacy vaccines, that will be viewed as nothing other than a resounding success. There will be absolutely no justification (or public appetite) for restrictions at that point. Yes, there will still be a very very minor threat from the virus to a very very few unfortunate. However, that risk is not sufficient to justify restrictions. It would be like enforcing restrictions to protect against the flu. Just get on with it

To a rational person that makes perfect sense. But our leaders I don’t believe will ever accept any sort of risk

timsey tiger

Gael23 wrote: »

To a rational person that makes perfect sense. But our leaders I don’t believe will ever accept any sort of risk

Our leaders who opened everything up for Christmas? Have a reality check.

is_that_so

Gael23 wrote: »

To a rational person that makes perfect sense. But our leaders I don’t believe will ever accept any sort of risk

It's not about risk, it's all the usual metrics, hospitalisations and ICU, cases, positivity rates and deaths. Vaccinations will eventually deal with all of those.

lbj666

brickster69 wrote: »

Obviously the roll out will get ramped up. Certainly hope it does in Hungary.

https://twitter.com/POLITICOEurope/status/1353349131151036417

And I thought it was the occasional moron on boards who made such projection, no politico are at it too.

Gael23

timsey tiger wrote: »

Our leaders who opened everything up for Christmas? Have a reality check.

What happened at Christmas was the collision of politics and science. The government knew if they took the scientific view they would loose all public support and people would break the rules anyway

Bubbaclaus

Has there been any deliveries of Moderna since that initial small batch?

dominatinMC

Gael23 wrote: »

To a rational person that makes perfect sense. But our leaders I don’t believe will ever accept any sort of risk

I think you are confusing NPHET with the government. Whilst NPHET may advocate restrictions forever (who knows ) as their singular remit is public health. If they had their way, they would probably enforce restrictions every flu season. Fortunately, however, the government look at things more holistically and once the threat is sufficiently suppressed, social and economic factors will supersede health, and restrictions will be deemed unnecessary.

It's fairly simple really, and people who argue otherwise probably have some ulterior motive/agenda for restrictions. Also, the government (unlike NPHET) are democratically elected so will be very aware of growing public unrest and fatigue with restrictions. Once the majority are vaccinated, there will be a clamour from all sectors for normality - you don't think that the government will act on that?? Finally, I'm sure even members of the government don't want to live their lives like we currently are! :pac:

Polar101

brickster69 wrote: »

Obviously the roll out will get ramped up. Certainly hope it does in Hungary.

Not sure what they're doing at Politico, some of these articles are just brainless.

"Can you drive from Dublin to Belfast in 2 hours if you don't exceed 40km/h? No chance! It will take at least 4 hours, it's a disgrace and the trip planner has made a complete mess of it."