RWC2023 draw

pjdarcy

Group A
NZ
France
Italy
Americas 1
Africa 1

Group B
South Africa
Ireland
Scotland
Asia/Pac 1
Europe 2

Group C
Wales
Australia
Fiji
Europe 1
Qualifier winner

Group D
England
Japan
Argentina
Oceania 1
Americas 2

leakyboots

What's the breakdown for after group stages?

CIARAN_BOYLE

leakyboots wrote: »

What's the breakdown for after group stages?

I believe it is.

A winner plays b runner up.
B winner plays a runner up.
C winner plays d runner up.
D winner plays c runner up.

Cosmo Kramer

Absolute horror draw for us. Even if we win the very tough group we're in we have to play the hosts in the quarters, second place and we play New Zealand. Couldn't have been much worse in terms of trying to make the semis.

so if Ireland make it the 1/4's it's France or New Zealand....

ah well.

The dream was Wales in the group and a draw for Japan in the 1/4's

not to be

A lot can change in three years but we're far better off going into it with no expectations.

hahashake

3rd straight RWC pool with Wales, Australia and Fiji. #tinfoilhat

Dog Botherer

hahashake wrote: »

3rd straight RWC pool with Wales, Australia and Fiji. #tinfoilhat

dream pool for Fiji. they won’t fear either of those teams.

hahashake

Dog Botherer wrote: »

dream pool for Fiji. they won’t fear either of those teams.

Would love to see it.

~3 years is a long time in sport, I wouldn't be counting chickens for any team just yet.

touts

Based on that Draw England could make the Semi Finals without having to play their first choice 15. Very cushy draw for them.

Suspect we'll be out in the pool.

Gaillimh1976

What are Asia/Pac1 and Europe 2 likely to be in real life ?

Tonga/Samoa & Russia/Romania ??

sydthebeat

touts wrote: »

.....

Suspect we'll be out in the pool.

cos theres been unequivocal evidence in the last 10 years that Scotland will beat us in RWC 23 :rolleyes::rolleyes:

Dickie10

im same wouldnt be surprised if scots turned us over in pool game. i think this irish team is going in a very worrying direction under farrell. Like wtf are we playing murray and sexton for in dead rubber games? trying to get another world cup out of sexton is madness , get a new pairing at 9 and 10 for this spring 6 nations and by 2023 they will have 3 camagins under them. use this 6 nations to blood new players , does it really matter if we lose a few games, like think of long term rebuilding , time to sacrafice a 6 nations or two

UAEguy2020

Dickie10 wrote: »

im same wouldnt be surprised if scots turned us over in pool game. i think this irish team is going in a very worrying direction under farrell. Like wtf are we playing murray and sexton for in dead rubber games? trying to get another world cup out of sexton is madness , get a new pairing at 9 and 10 for this spring 6 nations and by 2023 they will have 3 camagins under them. use this 6 nations to blood new players , does it really matter if we lose a few games, like think of long term rebuilding , time to sacrafice a 6 nations or two

That never has and never will work.

Lost Ormond

Rugby Europe has been notified by the Belgium Union that the Belgium National Authorities are not permitting the Belgium team to travel to Romania in light of the current COVID situation, even though there is currently no restrictions in Romania concerning Rugby Europe Championship games.
The Romania vs Belgium game was due to take place on Sunday February 7th 2021 as part of the last round of Rugby Europe Championship 2020.

Knock on effect on world cup qualification. Wonder how this will play out

Dickie10

UAEguy2020 wrote: »

That never has and never will work.

we never tried it?! we never experimented with a 6 nations campaign , why not now? any chance paddy jackson will get a call up , if we kept him in game time we might have very good replacement now for sexton

Lost Ormond

Dickie10 wrote: »

we never tried it?! we never experimented with a 6 nations campaign , why not now? any chance paddy jackson will get a call up , if we kept him in game time we might have very good replacement now for sexton

Paddy Jackson is never going to play for Ireland again. We all know why. Not much point in bringing his name into contention regardless of what he does at club level.

Dickie10

i think it should be brought up, were they not found innocent?

pjdarcy

Dickie10 wrote: »

im same wouldnt be surprised if scots turned us over in pool game. i think this irish team is going in a very worrying direction under farrell. Like wtf are we playing murray and sexton for in dead rubber games? trying to get another world cup out of sexton is madness , get a new pairing at 9 and 10 for this spring 6 nations and by 2023 they will have 3 camagins under them. use this 6 nations to blood new players , does it really matter if we lose a few games, like think of long term rebuilding , time to sacrafice a 6 nations or two

The problem is money. The IRFU budget depends on how we finish in the 6 Nations each year. From what I've heard, the IRFU budget for us to finish in third place or better and that is what is needed for rugby in Ireland to stay afloat that year. Also, they're particularly broke at the moment given the current pandemic so they'll want to finish higher than third this year if at all possible.

False Prophet

Cosmo Kramer wrote: »

Absolute horror draw for us. Even if we win the very tough group we're in we have to play the hosts in the quarters, second place and we play New Zealand. Couldn't have been much worse in terms of trying to make the semis.

Agree but maybe thats to Ireland advantage. Going as favs etc to get to semi finals before tournments hasnt worked, maybe going as no hopers will work.....

Say we get France in 1/4. As they be at home they should have pressure of fans expectations etc and perhaps they do a France and blow up.

Sabre0001

Lequipe reporting that France v New Zealand will be the opening fixture of World Cup: https://www.lequipe.fr/Rugby/Article/France-all-blacks-affiche-probable-du-match-d-ouverture-de-la-coupe-du-monde-2023/1219442

Proposed schedule to be submitted today.

Dickie10

wonder will there be crowds at those games or half capacity?

Thrashssacre

Dickie10 wrote: »

wonder will there be crowds at those games or half capacity?

In late 2023?? If were having that discussion then we've done something Very wrong in the interim.

Dickie10

Thrashssacre wrote: »

In late 2023?? If were having that discussion then we've done something Very wrong in the interim.

please God your right, its so hard to even imagine crowds at matches now. will we see any back in 2021 at all?

Lost Ormond

Dickie10 wrote: »

please God your right, its so hard to even imagine crowds at matches now. will we see any back in 2021 at all?

We will likely by end of 2021/start of 21-22 season possibly not full capacity but will see fans inside grounds.

The Inbetween is mine

All it takes is for 1 or 2 new mutations to appear that are vaccine resistant.
Then you could be looking at empty stadia for another 18 months minimum

Lost Ormond

A new set of principles have been agreed for #RWC2023
A minimum of five rest days for all matches
Permitted squad sizes increased from 31 to 33 players

To accommodate additional rest days, the pool phase will be extended by one week.

https://twitter.com/worldrugbymedia/status/1363859113281781761

irelandrover

The bigger squad size is interesting. Means a prop that plays both sides isn't as valuable.

Lost Ormond

irelandrover wrote: »

The bigger squad size is interesting. Means a prop that plays both sides isn't as valuable.

Yeah probably could see an extra prop in a lot of squads.


And we will know match schedule on Friday as well.

Thrashssacre

Match draw just started.

Thrashssacre

Bit arrogant of them to have the draw in French considering the amounts of counties involved.

Eod100

Judging by speed of last one could be a while before we get all Irelands venues

Eod100

Thrashssacre wrote: »

Bit arrogant of them to have the draw in French considering the amounts of counties involved.

Bit odd alright. And asking Kolbe in French only for him to answer in English doesnt work that well.

Dave_The_Sheep

So, Ireland Scotland. Lovely.

Dave_The_Sheep

Pool A
New Zealand
France
Italy
Americas 1
Africa 1

Pool B
South Africa
Ireland
Scotland
AsiaPacific 1
Europe 2

Pool C
Wales
Australia
Fiji
Europe 1
Qualifier Winner

Pool D
England
Japan
Argentina
Oceania 1
Americas 2

Eod100

pools are done, this is venue draw

sydthebeat

are they still doing Pool A v Pool B and Pool C V Pool D in teh knockouts??

irelandrover

venues are all up here?

https://www.rugbyworldcup.com/2023/matches

Dave_The_Sheep

Eod100 wrote: »

pools are done, this is venue draw

My memory is ****e, it seems.

Mimon

UAEguy2020 wrote: »

That never has and never will work.

The same old way of playing old players until the are being wheeled onto the field while the younger guy sits at home scratching his todger hasn't worked

Thrashssacre

Two week break between the two good pool games is a bit sh1te.

ArmaniJeanss

Thrashssacre wrote: »

Two week break between the two good pool games is a bit sh1te.

It's comes from extending the group stage by 7 extra days, which is itself a good things as no-one will have a Saturday->Wednesday combo this time.

I wonder will the team stay in France for that 13 day gap though?

Thrashssacre

ArmaniJeanss wrote: »

It's comes from extending the group stage by 7 extra days, which is itself a good things as no-one will have a Saturday->Wednesday combo this time.

I wonder will the team stay in France for that 13 day gap though?

Ryanair Will be glad of it flying people back and forward twice, reckon alot who are doing it on a budget will fly back home for the two weeks.

Thrashssacre

Both our potentially qfs are in the stade de France one day apart, theres one head wrecker eliminated.

ArmaniJeanss

Thrashssacre wrote: »

Both our potentially qfs are in the stade de France one day apart, theres one head wrecker eliminated.

We actually do a lot less travelling than anyone else - our last 2 group games are in SDF as well, making us the only team to play two group games in Paris.
France only play their opener there, England or Wales won't get to Paris until a semi-final.
(A conspiracy theorist might suggest they have us pegged as people who'll travel in numbers selling out the biggest ground with the most expensive tickets).

Thrashssacre

ArmaniJeanss wrote: »

We actually do a lot less travelling than anyone else - our last 2 group games are in SDF as well, making us the only team to play two group games in Paris.
France only play their opener there, England or Wales won't get to Paris until a semi-final.
(A conspiracy theorist might suggest they have us pegged as people who'll travel in numbers selling out the biggest ground with the most expensive tickets).

I mean we were given Wembley for a pool game Vs Romania in 2015 and more less packed it full so it wouldn't exactly be a theory without merit on there part.

Thrashssacre

ArmaniJeanss wrote: »

We actually do a lot less travelling than anyone else - our last 2 group games are in SDF as well, making us the only team to play two group games in Paris.
France only play their opener there, England or Wales won't get to Paris until a semi-final.
(A conspiracy theorist might suggest they have us pegged as people who'll travel in numbers selling out the biggest ground with the most expensive tickets).

I mean we were given Wembley for a pool game Vs Romania in 2015 and more less packed it full so it wouldn't exactly be a theory without merit on there part.

Former Former Former

Thrashssacre wrote: »

I mean we were given Wembley for a pool game Vs Romania in 2015 and more less packed it full so it wouldn't exactly be a theory without merit on there part.

Biggest ever attendance at a RWC match!

kuang1

Thrashssacre wrote: »

Two week break between the two good pool games is a bit sh1te.

The opposite surely?
We can go all out against SA knowing we don't play Scotland in the final group game until 2 weeks later.

Good chance for physical recovery. Less chance of missing key players for a (likely) must-win game against Scotland.

Thrashssacre

kuang1 wrote: »

The opposite surely?
We can go all out against SA knowing we don't play Scotland in the final group game until 2 weeks later.

Good chance for physical recovery. Less chance of missing key players for a (likely) must-win game against Scotland.

Meant moreso for those wanting to travel over and follow the team through the pool, the timing of the break could be fortunate for us if players develop any little niggles against the saffers alright.

Boscoirl

our last 5 games will be in St Denis