MG Cars

ba_barabus

This is a general thread for all models rather than updating the 2 different model ones currently posted.

MG website went live this morning and ads on radio.

https://www.mg.ie/

Seems Mitsubishi dealers are changing over to MG franchises.

Reports on UK owners pages are mixed, cars are ok for the price etc but poor backup, parts availability and dealer ability to rectify issues seems to cause huge frustration. I've had friends own them with no issues and others reject cars after a few weeks of ownership.

I owned MGs and Rovers before so have a soft spot for them. I've driven the ZS and 6 and think the styling isn't great but that's a bit subjective.

I'd like to give Frank Keanes a chance but I think the issues which keep cropping up are outside their control.

Hoping to get an electric car next, always wanted another MG, family car styling doesn't bother me as that's where I'm at right now.

No mention of the EV estate here yet.

Decide for yourselves

unkel

ba_barabus wrote: »

I owned MGs and Rovers before so have a soft spot for them.

You and me both

There is nothing in common between the MGs and Rovers of the past and these Chinese electric cars though. Just the badge.

Don't get me wrong, these MG EVs are good value for money compared to other new EVs. Have a look at Bjørn Nyland's youtube channel. He bought one for the in laws in Thailand and he has posted lots of videos about the car.

the_amazing_raisin

I dunno, I feel like the ZS EV has lost some shine in the past year.

It's still good value, but you can get a Leaf40 for the same price and I think the e-2008 is only a bit more expensive

So I'm not exactly blown away by it, it seems like it was a better offer when it first came out

ba_barabus

cruisey1987 wrote: »

I dunno, I feel like the ZS EV has lost some shine in the past year.

It's still good value, but you can get a Leaf40 for the same price and I think the e-2008 is only a bit more expensive

So I'm not exactly blown away by it, it seems like it was a better offer when it first came out

UK price was cheaper, I think all being equal the ZS EV is more expensive here without reason. Someone worked it out in another thread and it was about €4k more over the UK equivilent even accounting for VRT and rebates.

The HS PHEV hasn't sold very many in the UK at all.

unkel

cruisey1987 wrote: »

So I'm not exactly blown away by it, it seems like it was a better offer when it first came out

You're right. The early version could be had for something like GBP21k, even though the grant in the UK was only GBP3.5k (here €5k)

If they could sell it over here for about €22-€23k on the road, it would be good value. I don't know if Irish prices are out yet, but I doubt they will be anywhere near that.

Perhaps a quick import of a second hand one from the UK before it's too late? A quick look shows they go from about GBP16k for a late 2019 car. If you didn't very regularly needed the range though, a similarly priced Ioniq would be a better buy.

ba_barabus

unkel wrote: »

I don't know if Irish prices are out yet, but I doubt they will be anywhere near that.

In fairness they have the prices ready to go:

MGZS EV in poverty spec/colour €28,995 rising to €32,895 for the spec you'd like. (after grants etc)

The HS PHEV starts at €33,150 and rises to €37,100

They're starting with 5 dealers from what I can see.

I'd like to go and look but the way things are I can't justify doing it.

loopymum

Good to see there is more than one dealer, I thought it was just going to be Frank Keanes, will the new mg dealers honor the warranty here on imports?
I think I saw on some of the other threads that dealers in the uk weren't having much luck sorting out any issues with the cars.

the_amazing_raisin

It feels like they knocked a couple of hundred off the price of the Leaf which is probably the next comparable EV on the market right now.

Nice bit of profiteering there

colm_mcm

cruisey1987 wrote: »

It feels like they knocked a couple of hundred off the price of the Leaf which is probably the next comparable EV on the market right now.

Nice bit of profiteering there

Comparing with a €42k (albeit with more range) Kona would be fair too?

the_amazing_raisin

colm_mcm wrote: »

Comparing with a €42k (albeit with more range) Kona would be fair too?

I never said MG were the only ones

RonanG86

Generic SUVs. Pass.

Re-release the ZT-T with an electric engine and my head might be turned.

And yes, I know that's not a realistic option for many, many reasons. But an actual car with a bit of presence might be nice.

E30M3

I think they will struggle to sell these in volume at these price points.

They seem to have Special offers and Promos constantly in UK taking 5,500 to 6,000 off the price of any car.

This is a brand trying to gain a foothold in a new market with whispers of patchy support and hints on the internet of rust issues with some cars in the brand.

If you were interested in either car I'd say it makes more sense to import from UK (of course contingent on rules in place from 1st Jan) , however if this proves unviable I'd still feel hesitant to buy here at these prices, given that they are so much cheaper in UK.

A mid range Kia eNiro or a Niro Plug in Hybrid would to me make a lot more sense at around the same price points.

Maybe they will be doing 'Offers' here too but then I feel if you start off on this foot it is difficult to rebalance. Much better to have launched with prices circa 5k lower than they have launched at and then if you gain traction you can always creep up and this will give new car buyers more confidence in retained residual values.

Old diesel

It's possible to get into more mainstream stuff for a few k more.

VW ID3 is 33 k*

e2008 under 32 k*

You will soon have 64 kwh Korean stuff at not much more albeit 2nd hand.

It's a no from me..

Pity

Edit - *Poverty spec

unkel

E30M3 wrote: »

Much better to have launched with prices circa 5k lower than they have launched at and then if you gain traction

Exactly. There is a lot of appetite in the market for really cheap cars that do what they say on the tin. See the success of the Dacias here. At the €22-23k I suggested this car could have been a success. Not at €28k

Old diesel wrote: »

You will soon have 64 kwh Korean stuff at not much more albeit 2nd hand.

We've seen the first €28k 64kWh Hyundai Kona already. A much better proposition even as a 1 year old than these cars brand new

the_amazing_raisin

Old diesel wrote: »

It's possible to get into more mainstream stuff for a few k more.

VW ID3 is 33 k*

e2008 under 32 k*

You will soon have 64 kwh Korean stuff at not much more albeit 2nd hand.

It's a no from me..

Pity

Edit - *Poverty spec

Even the base spec of both those cars seems equivalent to the ZS EV. It's not like you're getting much more in the MG

As you say they're only a few thousand more so if someone is a fan of VW or Peugeot then it'll be hard to argue the value of the MG

I feel like they've either priced the car high so they can do a bunch of offers to bring the price down, or they're leaving themselves open to be negotiated down to a lower price and still be in profit

the_amazing_raisin

unkel wrote: »

Exactly. There is a lot of appetite in the market for really cheap cars that do what they say on the tin. See the success of the Dacias here. At the €22-23k I suggested this car could have been a success. Not at €28k

Or the success of the he E-Up/Citigo/Mii in Europe, or the Zoe which continues to top the sales charts, there's serious demand for a cheaper entry level EV out there

My first car was a Rover 414i, so a soft spot for them. But MGs were never SUVs, so it's a brand in name only.

But, I'm probably doing them a favour, I bought a SAAB 9-3 and that company folded not long after as well

unkel

Deleted User wrote: »

My first car was a Rover 414i, so a soft spot for them. But MGs were never SUVs, so it's a brand in name only.

But, I'm probably doing them a favour, I bought a SAAB 9-3 and that company folded not long after as well

I've owned MG, Rover and Saab

I fear for my favourite make of all time BMW next if they don't get the hell on with electrifying and getting rid of all those sh1tty diesels

Most of my favourite restaurants seem to have gone bankrupt too or closed down in recent years

unkel

unkel wrote: »

I've owned MG, Rover and Saab

I fear for my favourite make of all time BMW next if they don't get the hell on with electrifying and getting rid of all those sh1tty diesels

Most of my favourite restaurants seem to have gone bankrupt too or closed down in recent years

And the low powered engines only used in Ireland. A tragedy!

Old diesel

unkel wrote: »

I've owned MG, Rover and Saab

I fear for my favourite make of all time BMW next if they don't get the hell on with electrifying and getting rid of all those sh1tty diesels

Most of my favourite restaurants seem to have gone bankrupt too or closed down in recent years

They need to do more (BMW) but I think they've a better chance of making it then lots of other brands.

Isn't there a 3 series shaped EV prototype doing the rounds or did I imagine that????

ba_barabus

Deleted User wrote: »

And the low powered engines only used in Ireland. A tragedy!

Just be thankful we didn't get the 516i

ba_barabus

ba_barabus wrote: »

Just be thankful we didn't get the 516i

:eek: What poor buggers got that. I knew we got the 316i - who got worse than Paddy spec?

ba_barabus

Deleted User wrote: »

:eek: What poor buggers got that. I knew we got the 316i - who got worse than Paddy spec?

THE GREEKS

https://www.carscoops.com/2014/04/bmw-516ierr520i-at-with-16l-turbo/

unkel

Far superior to those rattle box 520d that are absolutely everywhere and have been since 2008 for da chape tax :rolleyes:

Black_Knight

Seen the prices and got interested. Looked at the range (from Bjorn) and lost interest. The id3 seems a better offering for similar money.

the_amazing_raisin

Black_Knight wrote: »

Seen the prices and got interested. Looked at the range (from Bjorn) and lost interest. The id3 seems a better offering for similar money.

Yeah around €4k more gets you 30% more battery and arguably a nicer car, and the smaller battery one is coming out next year which will have the same battery and be around the same price as the MG

It looks like the 45kWh battery range of cars is going to get quite crowded soon, good for consumers as they'll be trying to compete with one another

So maybe give the MG a year and see where the price is then, wouldn't be surprised to see it around the €25k mark

The local distributor isn't profiteering based on the official prices in Germany.
https://www.bafa.de/SharedDocs/Downloads/DE/Energie/emob_liste_foerderfaehige_fahrzeuge.pdf
German prices in that pdf need VAT/MwST added to them and then 3000 euro subtracted(the manufacturer portion of the 9000 euro German EV rebate).

That MG is just too expensive for what it is. You'd be better off in a 45kwh id3 any day of the week... or a Mokka or a Citroen c4 or 2008 or Leaf or Kia/Hyundai

beauf

Deleted User wrote: »

...That MG is just too expensive for what it is. You'd be better off in a 45kwh id3 any day of the week.....

Unless you need the space, 5 seats and bigger boot. But it doesn't make sense in Ireland thats for sure.

E30M3

Deleted User wrote: »

The local distributor isn't profiteering based on the official prices in Germany.
https://www.bafa.de/SharedDocs/Downloads/DE/Energie/emob_liste_foerderfaehige_fahrzeuge.pdf
German prices in that pdf need VAT/MwST added to them and then 3000 euro subtracted(the manufacturer portion of the 9000 euro German EV rebate).



Someone is apparently profiteering as they can be sold, presumably at a profit for a lot less in UK with constant 'offers' i.e.

'MG EV scrappage deal - Receive up to £8,000 off a brand new MG5 EV, MG ZS EV, or MG HS Plug-in when you part ex a petrol or diesel car @ MG'

Giving prices of

Model. Trim. RRP. Saving. OTR price

MG5 EV Excite £27,495 £7,000 £20,495
MG5 EV Exclusive £29,995 £7,000 £22,995
MG ZS EV Excite £28,495 £8,000 £20,495
MG ZS EV Exclusive £30,995 £8,000 £22,995
MG HS Plug-in Excite £29,995 £4,000 £25,995
MG HS Plug-in Exclusive £32,495 £4,000 £28,495

ba_barabus

Deleted User wrote: »

The local distributor isn't profiteering based on the official prices in Germany.
https://www.bafa.de/SharedDocs/Downloads/DE/Energie/emob_liste_foerderfaehige_fahrzeuge.pdf
German prices in that pdf need VAT/MwST added to them and then 3000 euro subtracted(the manufacturer portion of the 9000 euro German EV rebate).

That MG is just too expensive for what it is. You'd be better off in a 45kwh id3 any day of the week... or a Mokka or a Citroen c4 or 2008 or Leaf or Kia/Hyundai

MG and Rover have a very good image still in Europe

ba_barabus

ba_barabus wrote: »

MG and Rover have a very good image still in Europe

By who? It must be near 20 years since it was produced in Europe, and anyone old enough to remember it in production is going to know the brand was sold off with zero pedigree.



Think of MG, now think of the cars they are releasing under the brand. I don't see much too it.


The MG brand has been diluted since they rebranded the Rover 75 as an MG, with relatively minor changes. Of course, the company was in its death throes by then.

E30M3

E30M3 wrote: »

Someone is apparently profiteering as they can be sold, presumably at a profit for a lot less in UK with constant 'offers' i.e.

'MG EV scrappage deal - Receive up to £8,000 off a brand new MG5 EV, MG ZS EV, or MG HS Plug-in when you part ex a petrol or diesel car @ MG'

Giving prices of

Model. Trim. RRP. Saving. OTR price

MG5 EV Excite £27,495 £7,000 £20,495
MG5 EV Exclusive £29,995 £7,000 £22,995
MG ZS EV Excite £28,495 £8,000 £20,495
MG ZS EV Exclusive £30,995 £8,000 £22,995
MG HS Plug-in Excite £29,995 £4,000 £25,995
MG HS Plug-in Exclusive £32,495 £4,000 £28,495

The German Finance Ministry only grant the rebate of 6000 euro if they have evidence that the local distributor hasn't set the retail price in Germany artifically high and they do this by comparing to RRPs elsewhere in Europe.
They can't control the car being sold for 20 or 25% below RRP in other Countries.
Maybe although the prices in Ireland are high the dealers will have scope to offer serious discounts. They'll need to because at RRP they won't be selling much.
Because there isn't VRT there is no effect on OMSP so distributors of EV cars(below 40k) have more scope to play with RRPs than with ICE cars.

the_amazing_raisin

I wonder does this car incur customs duty since it's built outside the EU? That might explain some of the price difference

unkel

Yes it will attract 10% import duty like any other car not built in the EU (i.e. Teslas)

ba_barabus

Deleted User wrote: »

By who? It must be near 20 years since it was produced in Europe, and anyone old enough to remember it in production is going to know the brand was sold off with

It was thought of in the same way as you would BMW and Mercedes.

Lots of then still on the road and they hold their values very well still. They always had a dog sh it image here since the 70s.

You have to remember they built a lot if cars in EU countries which were often better assembled than the UK cars.

ba_barabus

ba_barabus wrote: »

Lots of then still on the road and they hold their values very well still.

Lots of MGs and Rovers on the road? Cant tell the last one I saw one (not counting the range rovers).

the_amazing_raisin

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Lots of MGs and Rovers on the road? Cant tell the last one I saw one (not counting the range rovers).

Haha, yeah it'd be difficult to find a rover that's still running these days

ba_barabus

Deleted User wrote: »

Lots of MGs and Rovers on the road? Cant tell the last one I saw one (not counting the range rovers).

If you read the post you'd see i was talking about in mainland Europe.

E30M3

cruisey1987 wrote: »

I wonder does this car incur customs duty since it's built outside the EU? That might explain some of the price difference

That would not explain any difference as currently UK and Ireland have same EU tariff and customs regime until 31st December.

stesaurus

Prices are way off compared to the UK but the RRP are not. UK has constant discounts running to bring the prices down. So maybe we'll see similar but I'd doubt it.
To be honest between MG and the recent Skoda Enyaq pricing I think this is just the tip of the iceberg. We're now looking like a very unique market in Europe and manufacturer's are going to take advantage.
Will 2021 will be the year of price increases across the board in Ireland?

liamog

stesaurus wrote: »

Prices are way off compared to the UK but the RRP are not. UK has constant discounts running to bring the prices down. So maybe we'll see similar but I'd doubt it.
To be honest between MG and the recent Skoda Enyaq pricing I think this is just the tip of the iceberg. We're now looking like a very unique market in Europe and manufacturer's are going to take advantage.
Will 2021 will be the year of price increases across the board in Ireland?

New car pricing is a bit of a dark art. You have some manufacturers who have a set RRP but use their financial arm to manipulate the price (i.e. 0% APR/high GMFV on PCP). Others regularly apply discount to the car purchase or give you a high trade in value. It's a pity we don't have something like carwow. It really helps to simplify the car buying process for those who don't want to do their own leg work.

Round Cable

stesaurus wrote: »

Prices are way off compared to the UK but the RRP are not. UK has constant discounts running to bring the prices down. So maybe we'll see similar but I'd doubt it.
To be honest between MG and the recent Skoda Enyaq pricing I think this is just the tip of the iceberg. We're now looking like a very unique market in Europe and manufacturer's are going to take advantage.
Will 2021 will be the year of price increases across the board in Ireland?

It'll be interesting to see what offers MG have here. On pricing some EV prices have come down in Ireland, Hyundai have dropped the price of the Kona Premium by €1300 and the Ioniq electric by €3200, although it was rather overpriced anyway.

Linders have announced they have the Dublin/Leinster franchise.

colm_mcm

Sheils (Honda and Ford in Clare/Limerick area) have announced they’re selling MG now.

the_amazing_raisin

€10k less than the competition? I wonder what they're basing that off of

unkel

Probably the ZS EV compared with the similar size eNiro. I know what i'd rather have though

kanuseeme

MG ZS EV (Solid) Excite Crossover SUV Electric 143 PS Auto 5 seat 0 g/km1 €120 €28,9952

MG ZS EV (Tri-coat) Exclusive Crossover SUV Electric 143 PS Auto 5 seat 0 g/km1 €120 €32,8952

https://www.mg.ie/model/mg-zs-ev

Cheapest and most expensive.

colm_mcm

Forgot Shiels were Mitsubishi dealers before.

the_amazing_raisin

unkel wrote: »

Probably the ZS EV compared with the similar size eNiro. I know what i'd rather have though

Yeah I guess it's cheapest in class, but it's still a fairly dubious claim


The e-2008 and Leaf40 would only have a bit less space but are a lot closer in price to the ZS EV

unkel

cruisey1987 wrote: »

Leaf40 would only have a bit less space but are a lot closer in price to the ZS EV

Either a 2009 car with sh1t and obsolete charging, no battery conditioning and brutal efficiency, so poor range, or a Chinese clone of nothing that if you are really kind, you could call mediocre.

Mmmm, choices.

I'd rather have a second hand something else

2019 €28k Kona 64kWh would be a good choice for that sort of money.

beauf

cruisey1987 wrote: »

Yeah I guess it's cheapest in class, but it's still a fairly dubious claim

The e-2008 and Leaf40 would only have a bit less space but are a lot closer in price to the ZS EV

I think the size differences isn't insignificant. That said I'm only going on the size I see in you tubers like in EV James and Kate who ran one for a while.


Even for me who is content with a fairly dull ICE MPV. I'm not gone on the looks of the MG, I see the value in the UK, but I'm not sure its enough to get me over my bias of MG brand.
I think I'd prefer to keep my ICE MPV even get a new one of those, and replace the 2nd car runabout with something like an older Zoe at this point.