Cavan v Dublin Semifinal in Navan?

Tombo2001

willabur wrote: »

Going on the evidence of last weekend Cavan are a far better team than Meath. Armaghs pitch held up very well on sunday, in no way was it a mudfest. No doubt Dublin will in all likelyhood win the game well but I think your comparison with Meath is both lazy and ill informed

The pitch Cavan played on was much slower than Croke Park. Mudfest is an exaggeration obviously.

If you think its insulting Cavan to compare them with Meath? Thats a bit rich.

If Cavan played Meath tomorrow, I would back Meath to win.

Lazy & Ill Informed? Please inform me.....really do.....why Cavan all of a sudden are better than a team that was in Division 1 in the League this year, that beat Wicklow by 29 points, that beat Kildare comfortably, and that has been to three Leinster finals in a row.

I'd love to know......

Or maybe lets ignore all that an just go "on the evidence of last weekend".....

Fann Linn

AndyBoBandy wrote: »

Does Navan have Hawkeye? or any other stadiums other than Croke Park?

Don't think the new Pairc UI Chaoimh even has it. Am open to correction. Thurles perhaps?

Hoboo

Fann Linn wrote: »

So is that Dublin's fault?
It's so daft, complaining about Dublin playing all their games in CP and then saying that ye want the games held in CP so that ye can get the share of the gate receipts that the Dubs bring to CP.

At least you answered the question.

Is what Dublins fault?

That would be daft, but I don't know anyone who does so.

Only complaint I'm aware of is for this year's semi with no gate receipts. There's s no logical reason for any other county to prefer to play in Croker that I can see. Hawkeye perhaps?

Allinall

recyclebin wrote: »

Is that really true that county boards are giving up home advantage to play Dublin in Croke Park in the Leinster championship ? It might be for Kildare as they don't have capacity. What does that say about fairness? Smaller teams are having to sacrifice home advantage just for a bag of money to pay the bills? The GAA shouldn't be like this.

What home advantage is there now that no crowds are allowed?

Also, Dublins home is Parnell Park

Fann Linn

Hoboo wrote: »

Is what Dublins fault?

That would be daft, but I don't know anyone who does so.

Only complaint I'm aware of is for this year's semi with no gate receipts. There's s no logical reason for any other county to prefer to play in Croker that I can see.

No floodlights, no Hawkeye for starters.

Hoboo

Allinall wrote: »

What home advantage is there now that no crowds are allowed?

Also, Dublins home is Parnell Park

So they say, yet they didn't play a league game there for 10 years.

copacetic

AndyBoBandy wrote: »

Does Navan have Hawkeye? or any other stadiums other than Croke Park?

No Hawkeye in Navan, but it doesn’t work in the dark anyway...

Cavan_King

Tombo2001 wrote: »

The pitch Cavan played on was much slower than Croke Park. Mudfest is an exaggeration obviously.

If you think its insulting Cavan to compare them with Meath? Thats a bit rich.

If Cavan played Meath tomorrow, I would back Meath to win.

Lazy & Ill Informed? Please inform me.....really do.....why Cavan all of a sudden are better than a team that was in Division 1 in the League this year, that beat Wicklow by 29 points, that beat Kildare comfortably, and that has been to three Leinster finals in a row.

I'd love to know......

Or maybe lets ignore all that an just go "on the evidence of last weekend".....

On what basis? Cavan have played Meath quite a lot over the last decade as they have been in the same division a good bit.

Cavan beat Meath in 2013, lost in 2015, beat them in 2016 and beat them in 2018 in the League. The 2016 win was by seven points in Navan. The 2018 win by five.

They also recently played them in a fairly full blooded challenge ahead of the championship starting and beat them in that too.

Also, have a look at the GAA ratings on this page. We're above Meath. We also at least won a game each time we were in Division 1! Something Meath couldn't do this year.

I could keep going as I watch both counties regularly as the missus is a Royal!

You seem to be ignoring all the evidence until this year's League campaign. Its not really indicative to rate a team based on their League performance when the manager has come to Cavan and openly stated his main aim is to win Championship and not League games. He has said he's from a time where League was League and Championship was Championship and its clear which is more important - which is why he ran out 8 debutants in our penultimate League game away to Kildare. The plan was to have young players ready for the championship in case they were needed due to the hectic schedule.

AndyBoBandy

copacetic wrote: »

No Hawkeye in Navan, but it doesn’t work in the dark anyway...

It worked fine last weekend for Dublin v Meath in the dark

Games in November/December can only be played on floodlit pitches... as it gets dark by 4:40pm on a good day at this time of year.

Fann Linn

AndyBoBandy wrote: »

It worked fine last weekend for Dublin v Meath in the dark

Games in November/December can only be played on floodlit pitches... as it gets dark by 4:40pm on a good day at this time of year.

CP has floodlights

AndyBoBandy

Fann Linn wrote: »

CP has floodlights

Yes, I misread your post, thinking you meant it didn't work at all in the dark (even with floodlights)

What other GAA grounds have floodlights, as wherever any games are played in December, they need to be at floodlit grounds..

Hoboo

AndyBoBandy wrote: »

Yes, I misread your post, thinking you meant it didn't work at all in the dark (even with floodlights)

What other GAA grounds have floodlights, as wherever any games are played in December, they need to be at floodlit grounds..

Very very few and far between, feck all in leinster anyhow.

Cavan_King

AndyBoBandy wrote: »

Yes, I misread your post, thinking you meant it didn't work at all in the dark (even with floodlights)

What other GAA grounds have floodlights, as wherever any games are played in December, they need to be at floodlit grounds..

Breffni Park has floodlights

Fann Linn

Cavan_King wrote: »

Breffni Park has floodlights

As has Parnell Park. ðŸ˜႒ðŸ˜႒

Tombo2001

Cavan_King wrote: »

On what basis? Cavan have played Meath quite a lot over the last decade as they have been in the same division a good bit.

Cavan beat Meath in 2013, lost in 2015, beat them in 2016 and beat them in 2018 in the League. The 2016 win was by seven points in Navan. The 2018 win by five.

They also recently played them in a fairly full blooded challenge ahead of the championship starting and beat them in that too.

Also, have a look at the GAA ratings on this page. We're above Meath. We also at least won a game each time we were in Division 1! Something Meath couldn't do this year.

I could keep going as I watch both counties regularly as the missus is a Royal!

You seem to be ignoring all the evidence until this year's League campaign. Its not really indicative to rate a team based on their League performance when the manager has come to Cavan and openly stated his main aim is to win Championship and not League games. He has said he's from a time where League was League and Championship was Championship and its clear which is more important - which is why he ran out 8 debutants in our penultimate League game away to Kildare. The plan was to have young players ready for the championship in case they were needed due to the hectic schedule.

Look, I was really really impressed by how Cavan played on Sunday, they were absolutely outstanding and I dont mean to take away from that.

They are a very good team with very good players.

However I was responding to a comment that it was 'insulting' to Cavan to compare them to Meath.

Thats a bit OTT in my view.

munchkin_utd

Fann Linn wrote: »

As has Parnell Park. ðŸ˜႒ðŸ˜႒

at least if the semi was played at Parnell Park it'd be an unfamiliar ground for both teams

roadmaster

Where the floodlights in Navan removed recently ?

dobman88

Cavan manager has called for the game to be moved out of croke park :pac:

What a bunch of whingebags. It's an awful pity they won Ulster now with that poor attitude coming out. Hes admitting defeat before a ball is kicked. I'd not be happy to see my manager saying that in a national paper.

moghrasa

Fair play to Mickey Graham I say. What's the hard-on about Croke Park? Everyone was obsessed with 1920 at the weekend once the semi finalists were confirmed. Stick it in Navan for the craic

elefant

dobman88 wrote: »

Cavan manager has called for the game to be moved out of croke park :pac:

What a bunch of whingebags. It's an awful pity they won Ulster now with that poor attitude coming out. Hes admitting defeat before a ball is kicked. I'd not be happy to see my manager saying that in a national paper.

Dublin are 1/100 favourites, I think you need to get realistic.

Fann Linn

moghrasa wrote: »

Fair play to Mickey Graham I say. What's the hard-on about Croke Park? Everyone was obsessed with 1920 at the weekend once the semi finalists were confirmed. Stick it in Navan for the craic

No floodlights.

moghrasa

Fann Linn wrote: »

No floodlights.

Bring a bus load of Cavan men down and they'll shine torches onto the pitch.

Fann Linn

moghrasa wrote: »

Bring a bus load of Cavan men down and they'll shine torches onto the pitch.

Those fcukers won't pay for the batteries.

willabur

Can the game not be moved to earlier in the day?
2pm throw in in Navan - Dublin to win handy anyways because they are gods walking amongst us

dobman88

elefant wrote: »

Dublin are 1/100 favourites, I think you need to get realistic.

Realistic on what? Dublin are going to destroy Cavan no matter where they play. I think it will be a record defeat, certainly for a semi final. But the absolute crying from pundits and fans and now their own manager is absolutely laughable. The semi finals are played in croke park every year. And with a winter championship it makes complete sense to keep them there, not move them.

tobefrank321

Could play it in a car park and Dubs would still win by at least 10 to 15 points as they will the final.

Dubs keep improving but the standard of the chasing pack is either stagnant or falling back.

tanko

dobman88 wrote: »

Realistic on what? Dublin are going to destroy Cavan no matter where they play. I think it will be a record defeat, certainly for a semi final. But the absolute crying from pundits and fans and now their own manager is absolutely laughable. The semi finals are played in croke park every year. And with a winter championship it makes complete sense to keep them there, not move them.

We were always told that the semi finals had to be played in Croke Park because it was the only ground that would hold the crowd, now we are being told it has to be played there because it's winter time.
You couldn't make this rubbish up.

Fann Linn

Was there a reason the Kerry Mayo semi was held in Limerick 6 years ago?

Weepsie

It probably the easiest and cheapest place for the TV crews to access and film from too, so ease of broadcasting should be a consideration

rrs

Fann Linn wrote: »

Was there a reason the Kerry Mayo semi was held in Limerick 6 years ago?

American College football was played In Croke Park the weekend of the replay

Weepsie

Fann Linn wrote: »

Was there a reason the Kerry Mayo semi was held in Limerick 6 years ago?

It was a replay, probably a compromise so fans were not travelling big distances twice.

Nope. As above. The GAA wouldn't be so kind. silly me

elefant

dobman88 wrote: »

Realistic on what? Dublin are going to destroy Cavan no matter where they play. I think it will be a record defeat, certainly for a semi final. But the absolute crying from pundits and fans and now their own manager is absolutely laughable. The semi finals are played in croke park every year. And with a winter championship it makes complete sense to keep them there, not move them.

Realistic that Cavan acting out a blindly optimistic pre-match mindset is a lot less likely to help them than playing on a tighter pitch would be. Why would the players be upset that their manager is trying to give them a boost?

You could easily argue that not making any noise about getting the game moved out Croke Park Cavan would be showing less ambition to upsetting the odds.

eastie17

Fann Linn wrote: »

Was there a reason the Kerry Mayo semi was held in Limerick 6 years ago?

American football in Croker. And it was the only way to guarantee Kerry people might travel being just down the road for them as they wont go to Dublin for semis.

celt262

I won't be wasting much time having a discussion on this with anyone as the game will be in Croke Park and wont be moved anywhere else. Mickey Graham knows this rightly as does the Cavan team so lets leave the likes of Seanie Johnston to get his 5 minutes of attention looking for it to be moved.

I see sheep

It's a absolute joke that Dublin get to play all their games at home, just because we're used to it doesn't make it right.
If you tried explaining it to someone not from Ireland they'd laugh their head off.
There's no reason why it shouldn't be in a neutral ground.

dobman88

elefant wrote: »

Realistic that Cavan acting out a blindly optimistic pre-match mindset is a lot less likely to help them than playing on a tighter pitch would be. Why would the players be upset that their manager is trying to give them a boost?

You could easily argue that not making any noise about getting the game moved out Croke Park Cavan would be showing less ambition to upsetting the odds.

It's a defeatist attitude from the manager and that will feed into the players. Shocking bad attitude to have. Games wont be moved, or shouldn't be so need to quit the whinging and get on with it. Anything else is a nonsense

recyclebin

Portlaoise has floodlights and they just put in new environmentally friendly LEDs too this summer.

dobman88

tanko wrote: »

We were always told that the semi finals had to be played in Croke Park because it was the only ground that would hold the crowd, now we are being told it has to be played there because it's winter time.
You couldn't make this rubbish up.

Who always told you that? And who is telling you it has to be played there because of winter? Do you place the opinion of a random poster in an online forum in such high regard.

It's only my opinion that it shouldnt be moved from croke park. Tbh, I dont actually care where it's on as my own county is long gone from this years championship.

Cavan_King

dobman88 wrote: »

Cavan manager has called for the game to be moved out of croke park :pac:

What a bunch of whingebags. It's an awful pity they won Ulster now with that poor attitude coming out. Hes admitting defeat before a ball is kicked. I'd not be happy to see my manager saying that in a national paper.

And what's wrong with that? I don't see how its being a whinge bag to ask that the game is played at a venue other than somewhere Dublin play at maybe twenty times a year whereas Cavan have played there 5 times I think it is in the last decade.

Also, Cavan have only won there once in that decade against London.

dobman88

Cavan_King wrote: »

And what's wrong with that? I don't see how its being a whinge bag to ask that the game is played at a venue other than somewhere Dublin play at maybe twenty times a year whereas Cavan have played there 5 times I think it is in the last decade.

Also, Cavan have only won there once in that decade against London.

As a player you want to play in croke park. Any player that's ever kicked a ball has wanted to play in croke park. Those Cavan lads deserve it after the season they have produced so far so why should we take that away from them.

Are we going to move the All Ireland final out of croke park too whenever Dublin are involved?

elefant

dobman88 wrote: »

As a player you want to play in croke park. Any player that's ever kicked a ball has wanted to play in croke park. Those Cavan lads deserve it after the season they have produced so far so why should we take that away from them.

Are we going to move the All Ireland final out of croke park too whenever Dublin are involved?

You seem to be very certain of the fact that you know the Cavan squad better than Mickey Graham.

Does that not give you pause for thought that you might be completely wrong on this?

dobman88

elefant wrote: »

You seem to be very certain of the fact that you know the Cavan squad better than Mickey Graham.

Does that not give you pause for thought that you might be completely wrong on this?

Again. It's my opinion. If he has the full backing of the entire squad, more power to them. They can be a squad full of whingers

Cavan_King

dobman88 wrote: »

As a player you want to play in croke park. Any player that's ever kicked a ball has wanted to play in croke park. Those Cavan lads deserve it after the season they have produced so far so why should we take that away from them.

Are we going to move the All Ireland final out of croke park too whenever Dublin are involved?

I'm sure those Cavan lads want to play where they have the best competitive chance of winning. Nobody thought they'd beat Monaghan, Donegal or even Down, but as Conor Madden said ''wrote off but that's the way we like it''.

I'd also imagine that their manager has asked them for their thoughts on it ahead of saying he wants it moved.

You might think they're stupid but I'm sure those lads think they'll play in Croke Park in the final.

Open the Pubs

dobman88 wrote: »

It's a defeatist attitude from the manager and that will feed into the players. Shocking bad attitude to have. Games wont be moved, or shouldn't be so need to quit the whinging and get on with it. Anything else is a nonsense

You seem very upset at even the thought of a level playing field. Nobody is whinging, it will likely be playing in Croker regardless. Shocking bad attitude? Lol that was on show on Sunday wasn't it, clown.

I'd stick to worrying about Kerry embarrassed themselves in the Championship this year in a province of hurling counties, that must really sting you.

moghrasa

dobman88 wrote: »

As a player you want to play in croke park. Any player that's ever kicked a ball has wanted to play in croke park. Those Cavan lads deserve it after the season they have produced so far so why should we take that away from them.

Are we going to move the All Ireland final out of croke park too whenever Dublin are involved?

I've always found this narrative very patronising. Cavan fans are on here saying they want it played elsewhere. The Cavan manager has said he wants it played elsewhere. But you know their interests better than they do, do you?

Part of the dream of playing in Croke Park is to play in front of a full crowd on a nice Autumn evening in front of your supporters. None of those aspects can be achieved at Croke Park, so with all that out the window i think it's completely fair to look for a neutral venue.

dobman88

Cavan_King wrote: »

I'm sure those Cavan lads want to play where they have the best competitive chance of winning. Nobody thought they'd beat Monaghan, Donegal or even Down, but as Conor Madden said ''wrote off but that's the way we like it''.

I'd also imagine that their manager has asked them for their thoughts on it ahead of saying he wants it moved.

You might think they're stupid but I'm sure those lads think they'll play in Croke Park in the final.

Fair enough. But why would the final not be moved to a neutral venue by the same logic? It's a bit of a ridiculous situation tbf

Hammar

You lads do realise with the current restrictions,The Cavan lads have to drive 75/80 miles some like Jason McLaughlin 120, to Croke Park,whereas the Dublin lads
just have to roll out of bed, and drive a few miles.

There's no overnight stays, no buses, no relaxing,stretching out in the function room of a 4 star hotel before heading over to Jones Road. Dublin have a huge advantage in playing in Dublin in the current climate.

Flukey

First, Croke Park is not Dublin's home ground. Secondly, while people keep saying they have an advantage there, nobody is ever able to say what it is. The best they can come up with is that they are used to it. Lots of counties are very used to playing in Croke Park. It's strange that there is no call to move the Mayo v Tipperary game out of Croke Park, as surely Mayo have an obvious advantage of being very used to playing there. OK, let's say we do move Dublin v Cavan out of Croke Park. We need a venue of a reasonable size and with floodlights. Hey, how about Parnell Park? Oh, sorry, silly me. We can't do that. That would give Dublin home advantage. A neutral stadium would be better, and Croke Park is the best neutral stadium in the country, it being the national stadium of Gaelic Games. Despite Dublin and Mayo being very used to it, Cavan and Tipperary will want to play there, so let them.

Cavan_King

dobman88 wrote: »

Fair enough. But why would the final not be moved to a neutral venue by the same logic? It's a bit of a ridiculous situation tbf

Because Croke Park has always been the venue for the final. That's expected.

It hasn't always been the venue for the semi finals.

The usual reason for the semi final to be played there is the crowd but that isn't applicable this year.

Cavan_King

Flukey wrote: »

First, Croke Park is not Dublin's home ground. Secondly, while people keep saying they have an advantage there, nobody is ever able to say what it is. The best they can come up with is that they are used to it. Lots of counties are very used to playing in Croke Park. It's strange that there is no call to move the Mayo v Tipperary game out of Croke Park, as surely Mayo have an obvious advantage of being very used to playing there. OK, let's say we do move Dublin v Cavan out of Croke Park. We need a venue of a reasonable size and with floodlights. Hey, how about Parnell Park? Oh, sorry, silly me. We can't do that. That would give Dublin home advantage. A neutral stadium would be better, and Croke Park is the best neutral stadium in the country, it being the national stadium of Gaelic Games. Despite Dublin and Mayo being very used to it, Cavan and Tipperary will want to play there, so let them.

But the Cavan manager has said they don't want to play there.

I'm tired of this argument about Parnell Park being Dublin's home ground. Has anyone stats over the last decade on how many games they have played at Croke Park vs Parnell Park? I'm sure it'd be quite interesting. I'd actually prefer to play Dublin in Parnell Park than Croke Park!

The Mayo point is a bit of a null point. Mayo play at most, what, 3 games there a year any year. Dublin would match that in a month or two.

And Cavan certainly aren't used to playing in it. They've played 2 Championship games there (both in 2013) and then 3 League finals (2014, 2016 and 2018) inn the last decade.