I hate the clock change. I want more light in the evening

Dancewithme

I hate the clock change in October. I hate it. I want an extra bit of light in the evenings. I am going to work when it is dark anyways. Anyone else the same?

ednwireland

I agree

Spanish Eyes

Yep, me too, but we have to suck it up for now. It will be an EU wide decision I think but it makes so much sense to me anyway, but it is a big debate also! Brace yourself.

I doubt we will change anything here due to NI. But we should grow a pair of cojones and just do it anyway. NI doesn't seem too worried about us anyway, but that's another debate.

bassy

buy a yard light for the kitchen.

elperello

Dancewithme wrote: »

I hate the clock change in October. I hate it. I want an extra bit of light in the evenings. I am going to work when it is dark anyways. Anyone else the same?

Get on to Sean Kelly MEP. He has been pushing for it in the European Parliament for several years.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/farming/arid-40062290.html

corkgsxr

I agree. Bright morning for no reason.

HeidiHeidi

100% agree.


Mornings wind up dark again very soon after the clock change unless you're a very late starter.


Dark evenings turn into dark afternoons very quickly.


Hate it!


Every year as I get older I find it harder and harder, the wall I hit in February gets earlier and earlier.

Dancewithme

elperello wrote: »

Get on to Sean Kelly MEP. He has been pushing for it in the European Parliament for several years.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/farming/arid-40062290.html

I think he is a Donald trump supporter. He deleted a tweet about him which proves my point but if it gets me my summer time I will investigate.

dxhound2005

It depends where people live, even within Ireland. Everyone wants the clock to suit them. But when there are only about 7 hours natural light for a few weeks it is impossible to defeat nature.

The clock changing should finish, just to cut out the inconvenience. It doesn't matter whether the North is different. Hundreds of millions of people can live in circumstances like that all round the world.

Spanish Eyes

corkgsxr wrote: »

I agree. Bright morning for no reason.

Cannot understand it myself. Must be for the farmers. Would dairy cows survive for an hour or so until it is light out there to be milked? I dunno.

The light mornings don't help anyone, you get up when it's dark anyway, get the kids ready for school with the light on and yada yada, and greet them in the dark later on too. Mad isn't it?

I often wonder if I am missing something profound.

YFlyer

Better for morning jogs.

Spanish Eyes

The morning light is wasted really apart from the morning joggers (I'm looking at ya YFlier lol).

I really think that our mood would improve with darkness happening at 5-5.30 rather than early afternoon on a dull day like today, but sure what do I know.

Dancewithme

YFlyer wrote: »

Better for morning jogs.

I wish people would wear high vis clothing when they are out for their jogs and that applies to the morning joggers and evening joggers equally.

Spanish Eyes

Another thing. The dark nights are a signal that Christmas is coming, but with Covid there is not the same optimism about that season now.

Anyway on 21/22 December we are on the turn. It takes forever though, but it does give hope for a bit of light.

Cannot understand why the clocks don't go back 1 Dec and go forward 1 Feb. Someone will tell me, I know this!

GottaGetGatt

corkgsxr wrote: »

I agree. Bright morning for no reason.

School Run, Construction, Any other outdoor related Works. If the clocks didn’t go back, it wouldn’t get bright until 10am in the middle of winter. That’s the reason.

Spanish Eyes

GottaGetGatt wrote: »

School Run, Construction, Any other outdoor related Works. If the clocks didn’t go back, it wouldn’t get bright until 10am in the middle of winter. That’s the reason.

So what. They use lighting on sites, schools have lightbulbs too. Every problem has a solution. Same issue applies at 4pm surely. So just need to turn it around a bit.

dxhound2005

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Another thing. The dark nights are a signal that Christmas is coming, but with Covid there is not the same optimism about that season now.

Anyway on 21/22 December we are on the turn. It takes forever though, but it does give hope for a bit of light.

Cannot understand why the clocks don't go back 1 Dec and go forward 1 Feb. Someone will tell me, I know this!

If you can live with a 10 month clock, it's not much of an ask to make it 12.

GottaGetGatt

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

So what. They use lighting on sites, schools have lightbulbs too. Every problem has a solution. Same issue applies at 4pm surely. So just need to turn it around a bit.

Winter mornings are bad enough without it not getting bright until 10am. Most outdoor works are from 7am to 4.

Spanish Eyes

GottaGetGatt wrote: »

Winter mornings are bad enough without it not getting bright until 10am. Most outdoor works are from 7am to 4.

Why though? The entire country must suffer early darkness for a certain cohort, is that it?

I get the issue with milking the cows, but put up some lights FGS.

Tiercel Dave

While I agree the the dark evenings are hard to deal with we are actually in 'standard' proper time over the winter.
When the clocks are put forward in the spring we are entering into a 'false' time sequence for the summer.....

Dancewithme

Tiercel Dave wrote: »

While I agree the the dark evenings are hard to deal with we are actually in 'standard' proper time over the winter.
When the clocks are put forward in the spring we are entering into a 'false' time sequence for the summer.....

I wonder if the country would be happier if we went with the false time sequence for a year or two?

yerwanthere123

I actually thought it had been agreed the EU were going to do it at one stage, and was due to come in next year? Thought I remember Varadkar, or someone else in government, pouring cold water on the idea because of Northern Ireland. Anyway, I say fúck em and just do it anyway.

raclle

Tiercel Dave wrote: »

While I agree the the dark evenings are hard to deal with we are actually in 'standard' proper time over the winter.
When the clocks are put forward in the spring we are entering into a 'false' time sequence for the summer.....

I want them to actually go forward an extra hour. Most of Europe is in a false time sequence anyway

un5byh7sqpd2x0

GottaGetGatt wrote: »

School Run, Construction, Any other outdoor related Works. If the clocks didn’t go back, it wouldn’t get bright until 10am in the middle of winter. That’s the reason.

Other than the school run, the total length of daylight doesn’t change. Perhaps that has escaped you?

Speak Now

I'm fine with it, rather have the brighter morning. Better for getting kids to school and weather usually poor enough that extra hour makes little difference in the evenings.

For the summer I'd go 2 hours forward

Spanish Eyes

yerwanthere123 wrote: »

I actually thought it had been agreed the EU were going to do it at one stage, and was due to come in next year? Thought I remember Varadkar, or someone else in government, pouring cold water on the idea because of Northern Ireland. Anyway, I say fúck em and just do it anyway.

Absolutely. They don't give a fig about Covid spreading either up there or down here, and refuse to align with us or do anything to reduce Covid. F them. And SF are silent on this too, it's not just DUP.

What a failed Province. Sorry, I know that is a whole other debate. woops.

Hyperbollix

Yes, it's idiotic. We'd have light til around 5pm in the depth of winter, which is already early, never mind bloody 3.30 - 4pm.

L'prof

Astrid Great Scale wrote: »

Other than the school run, the total length of daylight doesn’t change. Perhaps that has escaped you?

Why exclude the schools run?

Capt'n Midnight

L'prof wrote: »

Why exclude the schools run?

National school kids get driven to school.

Secondary have to cope with darkness in the afternoons.

ILoveYourVibes

I agree.

why can't we just go to work later in winters?

un5byh7sqpd2x0

L'prof wrote: »

Why exclude the schools run?

Because schools start at a fixed time.

Quantum Erasure

Tiercel Dave wrote: »

While I agree the the dark evenings are hard to deal with we are actually in 'standard' proper time over the winter.
When the clocks are put forward in the spring we are entering into a 'false' time sequence for the summer.....

Irish Standard Time is actually what we use in the summer, so instead of changing forward in the spring, like every other country, we change our clocks back an hour in winter time

Badly Drunk Boy

Dancewithme wrote: »

I wish people would wear high vis clothing when they are out for their jogs and that applies to the morning joggers and evening joggers equally.

I've noticed that when I leave home on my bike, it can seem perfectly bright so I mightn't bother with the lights on my bike, but once I leave my estate it seems darker because of the lights from cars. The glare from car lights can blind you so it's hard to see anyone who isn't completely lit up to 600 lumens.

I know motorists will just say "Then turn on your lights, wear your hi-viz!" but I hate artificial light when it shouldn't be needed. And it's easier when you're in a car 'cos it's just the flick of a switch, rather than having to wear something specific, that's so garish that it's distracting (although I say this as somebody who struggles to wear anything brighter than charcoal grey).

Potential-Monke

I like it. Suits me down to the ground, less glare on the tv when gaming. Not a fan of light or heat anyway, so Autumn, Winter and Spring are my favourites, in that order.

_Brian

Split the difference and leave the damn clocks alone.

Wanderer78

_Brian wrote:

Split the difference and leave the damn clocks alone.

Maybe just move it by 30 mins

zerosugarbuzz

Either way daylight is lost in the winter time. Come December 21st there will be approximately 8 hours of daylight from 8.15am to 4.15pm. Not changing the clocks in winter means school kids have to walk to school in the dark!

Seamai

yerwanthere123 wrote: »

I actually thought it had been agreed the EU were going to do it at one stage, and was due to come in next year? Thought I remember Varadkar, or someone else in government, pouring cold water on the idea because of Northern Ireland. Anyway, I say fúck em and just do it anyway.

We need to do what suits us, like you said, fúck them up north. So they would be on a different time zone for 6 months of the year. Portugal is on a different time zone to Spain. I worked for a company where over half our suppliers were on mainland Europe, the time difference was no inconvenience. As time goes on I'm coming to the realisation that the North is more of a millstone around our neck but like another poster said, that's a whole other argument.

zerosugarbuzz

zerosugarbuzz wrote: »

Either way daylight is lost in the winter time. Come December 21st there will be approximately 8 hours of daylight from 8.15am to 4.15pm. Not changing the clocks in winter means school kids have to walk to school in the dark!

How many schoolkids walk to school anyway?????
Not too many, all I see is mammies dropping of their babies at schools, all over the country.

Earthhorse

Can't agree. I hate getting up in the dark in the mornings so the longer there is light for that the better.

Not sure what use the extra hour of light is in the evening to most people. It gets dark around half five these days. That's generally your commute home and then you're probably making dinner or doing chores.

Don't get me wrong, I understand wanting more light in the evenings but I think the hour makes way more impact on the start of the day.

Elwood_Blues

Lets just change the time by half an hour and keep it like that with no more clock changes.. How's that for compromise!

WhatsGoingOn2

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Why though? The entire country must suffer early darkness for a certain cohort, is that it?

I get the issue with milking the cows, but put up some lights FGS.

Nothing to do with farmers, cows are milked in the evening too when it is dark.

Icemancometh

What I don't understand is the timing of the change. Clocks go back about 8 weeks before the winter solstice. But they don't go forward for about 14 weeks afterwards. Keep daylight saving, but move the spring adjustment to late February instead of March.

Hamsterchops

Seeing as the world is divided up into time zones with Greenwich as the centre meridian, then we are physically & geographically part of the same time zone as the rest of these islands + Lisbon.

Can we mess with the meridian time zones and move to another? I don't know if it's possible for us to become permanently part of CET.

Eleven Benevolent Elephants

Interestingly, Spain used to be GMT until Franco came to power.
He moved forward one hour to allign with Nazi Germany. When he restored the monarchy shortly before his death, they never restored the original timezone.

fits

I prefer it as it is. I like the clock change. It annoyed me when the children were babies but its fine now.

I lived in Finland and in winter it didnt get bright until after 10 where I was. You'd feel it in the mornings commuting in the dark. I try to get out for a walk at lunchtime.

Kilboor

I love it personally but wouldn't bother me if it ended

completedit

I said in the other thread. Whatever system we have now is awful. Long summer evenings and late winter mornings; whatever allows us to achieve that should be what we do.

I don't wake up till about 8.30. What's the story? Is it bright at half 7 or what? Every year people like myself seem to have confusion with what happens. I know we 'gain' an hour in the morning but that coincides with the days getting shorter so does it make much difference?

El_Duderino 09

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

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Anyway on 21/22 December we are on the turn. It takes forever though, but it does give hope for a bit of light.

Cannot understand why the clocks don't go back 1 Dec and go forward 1 Feb. Someone will tell me, I know this!

Couldn't agree more. If there's need to change the clocks then those two months (Dec and Jan) are the ones that really need it.

El_Duderino 09

completedit wrote: »

I said in the other thread. Whatever system we have now is awful. Long summer evenings and late winter mornings; whatever allows us to achieve that should be what we do.

I don't wake up till about 8.30. What's the story? Is it bright at half 7 or what? Every year people like myself seem to have confusion with what happens. I know we 'gain' an hour in the morning but that coincides with the days getting shorter so does it make much difference?

If you follow this link you can stick your location into this website and it gives you the sunrise and sunset times each day of the month.

https://www.timeanddate.com/sun/ireland/athlone

I set it for athlone as it's central. Today's Sunrise at 7:52, sunset at 16:38. It is bright for a while either side of sunrise and sunset though.

GhostyMcGhost

Potential-Monke wrote: »

I like it. Suits me down to the ground, less glare on the tv when gaming. Not a fan of light or heat anyway, so Autumn, Winter and Spring are my favourites, in that order.

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