Leo Varadkar story in The Village??? - Mod Notes and banned Users in OP updated 16/05

Bubbaclaus

McMurphy wrote: »

You're hard work I'll give you that.....


Here is my original point, the post I replied with to expectationlost.....



You're Floundering big time here bubs.


https://twitter.com/Bryan_Wall/status/1322504394429075458?s=19

Yes, you said a number of times that Varadkar declined to comment and that you were 110% certain of this being the case, which turned out to be incorrect, yet you continue to say you are 100% spot on.

Now you have switched to some weird thing where you are giving your opinion as to how it potentially played out (without evidence), and claiming this was always your original point.

Very strange. Not sure why you feel the need to fib really. But apparently I'm the one that's floundering.

McMurphy

Bubbaclaus wrote: »

Yes, you said a number of times that Varadkar declined to comment and that you were 110% certain of this being the case, which turned out to be incorrect, yet you continue to say you are 100% spot on.

Now you have switched to some weird thing where you are giving your opinion as to how it potentially played out (without evidence), and claiming this was always your original point.

Very strange. Not sure why you feel the need to fib really. But apparently I'm the one that's floundering.

I think bubba you're deliberately misrepresenting what I said.

For clarity here goes again ..

I'm almost 110% certain the village magazine either had in one of their articles or tweeted that they gave Leo an opportunity/right of reply and he declined.

When I've time in the evening I'll dig it out, I'm also nearly certain the screenshot of same in this very thread. Again, when I've the dinner over me and sports are over on the TV if no-one has done so before me I'll dig it out.

"Almost 110% certain the magazine had an article" (they did as proven)

You can get pedantic if you like about refused to comment/he failed to comment if you like mind you.

But if you believe his staff didn't pass on the details of an email where it is alleged he was acting in a corrupt/unlawful manner - god bless.

Bubbaclaus

McMurphy wrote: »

I think bubba you're deliberately misrepresenting what I said.

For clarity here goes again ..



"Almost 110% certain the magazine had an article" (they did as proven)

You can get pedantic if you like about refused to comment/he failed to comment if you like mind you.

But if you believe his staff didn't pass on the details of an email where it is alleged he was acting in a corrupt/unlawful manner - god bless.

Sorry, but there is a major difference between saying he was asked for comment vs saying he declined to comment. I think that and the reason why is pretty clear to most people. To claim that is being pedantic is just you trying to brush off the inaccuracies in your post, and try and maintain your pat on the back "100% spot on" to yourself.

If Village wished to dispute what Varadkar said in the Dail regarding their correspondence to him, I'm sure we would have seen a screenshot of the email by now. Nobody has disputed his account that the email was incoherent and wasn't passed to him because his staff couldn't understand what to do with it. You're free to imagine, without evidence, what you think might have happened McMurphy, but that doesnt make it fact.

We are going around in circles at this point, so I feel we should leave it there.

markodaly

Bannasidhe wrote: »

There's a distinct whiff of "the media organisation that broke the story about the Taoiseach (at the time) slipping a confidential document to a friend on the sly is not of the standard of The Washington Post ergo the story has no merit"

It doesn't matter if the story was broken by a luddite printing a fanzine as a lithograph - LV did indeed slip a confidential document to a friend.
He admitted it.
Attacking the Village won't change that. It does keep the story alive in people's mind tho so carry on.

Just coming back to this.

If you see my previous posts, you will see that I agree that this was initially a good story. However, they made a balls of it in the delivery of it.
Whose idea was it to break it the weekend before a presidential election?

Then, the drip-feed of "We have an EXCLUSIVE coming tomorrow...." which failed to tell us anything new and was indeed a rehash of the same old story. They did this numerous times....
The final insult was them calling out other media outlets because they didn't toe their line.

At the end, it amounted to nothing but a personal vendetta of a one-man band publication against Leo.

TheVillage Magazine is opinion dressed up as journalism, not the other way around.
The rant and simple factual errors relating to simple bike lanes, proves this.

smurgen

markodaly wrote: »

Just coming back to this.

If you see my previous posts, you will see that I agree that this was initially a good story. However, they made a balls of it in the delivery of it.
Whose idea was it to break it the weekend before a presidential election?

Then, the drip-feed of "We have an EXCLUSIVE coming tomorrow...." which failed to tell us anything new and was indeed a rehash of the same old story. They did this numerous times....
The final insult was them calling out other media outlets because they didn't toe their line.

At the end, it amounted to nothing but a personal vendetta of a one-man band publication against Leo.

TheVillage Magazine is opinion dressed up as journalism, not the other way around.
The rant and simple factual errors relating to simple bike lanes, proves this.

It amounted to Leo Varadkar admitting he leaked commercially sensitive information to a buddy. His name is forever going to be Leo the leak and he will be know for corruption from now on.

Bubbaclaus

smurgen wrote: »

It amounted to Leo Varadkar admitting he leaked commercially sensitive information to a buddy. His name is forever going to be Leo the leak and he will be know for corruption from now on.

Very Sleepy Joe and Crooked Hillary there.

Brendan Bendar

smurgen wrote: »

It amounted to Leo Varadkar admitting he leaked commercially sensitive information to a buddy. His name is forever going to be Leo the leak and he will be know for corruption from now on.

How is the PSNI investigation going on I wonder, when the Shinners and the white shirts took over the streets.

Any news on the €4m that hopped across the ‘ boaadher’ I wonder, strange that Parnell Sq, didn’t process the sum in this jurisdiction.

Could have paid for a new wave of ‘activists’ down here.

Wouldn’t have to dispose of any of the property portfolio either.

Did I see the deputy leader of a party posing with lads who were seen posing with firearms ?

Finding it difficult to understand the level of interest in Leo Varadkar, whilst far more serious issues are ignored.

Very strange I have to say, puzzling so it is, extremely puzzling.

grayzer75

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

How is the PSNI investigation going on I wonder, when the Shinners and the white shirts took over the streets.

Any news on the €4m that hopped across the ‘ boaadher’ I wonder, strange that Parnell Sq, didn’t process the sum in this jurisdiction.

Could have paid for a new wave of ‘activists’ down here.

Wouldn’t have to dispose of any of the property portfolio either.

Did I see the deputy leader of a party posing with lads who were seen posing with firearms ?

Finding it difficult to understand the level of interest in Leo Varadkar, whilst far more serious issues are ignored.

Very strange I have to say, puzzling so it is, extremely puzzling.

What has any of this got to do with Leo The Leak?

Bishop of hope

smurgen wrote: »

It amounted to Leo Varadkar admitting he leaked commercially sensitive information to a buddy. His name is forever going to be Leo the leak and he will be know for corruption from now on.

Leo is under the sink?
This isn't actually doing him much harm you know.
People have moved on from it, Covid and Xmas are atop agendas now, leak and potatoe soup, sage and leak stuffing, Leo's face, will be, sticking out of every dish on da Xmas table and an image of MLMD carving and serving.
In other words, its a dead turkey!

Brendan Bendar

grayzer75 wrote: »

What has any of this got to do with Leo The Leak?

Last two lines are your friend, hombre.

FrancieBrady

smurgen wrote: »

It amounted to Leo Varadkar admitting he leaked commercially sensitive information to a buddy. His name is forever going to be Leo the leak and he will be know for corruption from now on.

It's the old power swap two step, they'll vilify the Village now because it exposed the shady doings of the golden one. At the end of the day you are right, they did the state some service, not the golden one leaking confidential documents.
As long as they are 'lifting the rocks and having a squinty underneath' and exposing stuff like this to questions they are worth the sub.

https://villagemagazine.ie/meath-council-investigates-potential-conflict-of-interest-in-major-land-re-zoning/

McMurphy

Bishop of hope wrote: »

Leo is under the sink?
This isn't actually doing him much harm you know.
People have moved on from it, Covid and Xmas are atop agendas now, leak and potatoe soup, sage and leak stuffing, Leo's face, will be, sticking out of every dish on da Xmas table and an image of MLMD carving and serving.
In other words, its a dead turkey!

They have

Sipo and AGS investigations been completed? Proclaiming people have moved on and no-one will be talking about it anymore is very very premature, ask Lowry if you need a second opinion.

Floppybits

McMurphy wrote: »

They have

Sipo and AGS investigations been completed? Proclaiming people have moved on and no-one will be talking about it anymore is very very premature, ask Lowry if you need a second opinion.

This is the stock answer from FG, people have moved on, people are not interested, nothing to see here, etc. The thing yes the focus has moved onto other things but this is sitting in the background ready to come back again.

Its like Seamus Woulfe, all went quiet on him for a while after the golf party and now look were we are. We have a Minister of Justice under pressure and now she is pushing the previous minister for Justice under the bus.

Bannasidhe

markodaly wrote: »

Just coming back to this.

If you see my previous posts, you will see that I agree that this was initially a good story. However, they made a balls of it in the delivery of it.
Whose idea was it to break it the weekend before a presidential election?

Then, the drip-feed of "We have an EXCLUSIVE coming tomorrow...." which failed to tell us anything new and was indeed a rehash of the same old story. They did this numerous times....
The final insult was them calling out other media outlets because they didn't toe their line.

At the end, it amounted to nothing but a personal vendetta of a one-man band publication against Leo.

TheVillage Magazine is opinion dressed up as journalism, not the other way around.
The rant and simple factual errors relating to simple bike lanes, proves this.

All of which can be summarised as "the messenger acted unprofessionally therefore we can ignore the story" - a view which utterly fails to consider LV admitted he passed a confidential document to a friend.
He. did. it. That is the story, and it is factually correct.

Personal vendetta against someone who admitted they acted incorrectly?
Get off the stage, Terri Prone is waiting for her go.

Bishop of hope

McMurphy wrote: »

They have

Sipo and AGS investigations been completed? Proclaiming people have moved on and no-one will be talking about it anymore is very very premature, ask Lowry if you need a second opinion.

SIPO are looking at several things as are the AGS.
But that's it.
It's not on people's agenda.
If anything comes off of it I'll be very surprised as will you I'd say.
A statement perhaps admonishing the way Leo went about it, that's the most can bé expected from it, but we've had them already.
Shopping, socialising, turkey and stuffing, that's what's on people's minds now. Leo the leak will be as much a Xmas topic as Kevin the carrot that's all.

Nobotty

Bannasidhe wrote: »

All of which can be summarised as "the messenger acted unprofessionally therefore we can ignore the story" - a view which utterly fails to consider LV admitted he passed a confidential document to a friend.
He. did. it. That is the story, and it is factually correct.

Personal vendetta against someone who admitted they acted incorrectly?
Get off the stage, Terri Prone is waiting for her go.

It was wasted though
As a precision tool,it should have been
released election week
The story in full will be factually incorrect if Vradakar isn't charged and convicted of breaking the law
Come the next election primetime debates,he'll make that very clear if its brought up and for that reason I doubt it will be
It was a monumental wrong time use of ammunition
You'd hope that's the reason the 2nd 'big reveal' was such a flop,that they have now copped on and held something back
I doubt it though,these guys just seem incompetent IMO

smurgen

Nobotty wrote: »

It was wasted though
As a precision tool,it should have been
released election week
The story in full will be factually incorrect if Vradakar isn't charged and convicted of breaking the law
Come the next election primetime debates,he'll make that very clear if its brought up and for that reason I doubt it will be
It was a monumental wrong time use of ammunition
You'd hope that's the reason the 2nd 'big reveal' was such a flop,that they have now copped on and held something back
I doubt it though,these guys just seem incompetent IMO

But everything you've said is subjective but what is a fact is that Leo Varadkar leaked confidential commercially sensitive documents to a third party that was not included in the discussions.

McMurphy

Nobotty wrote: »

It was wasted though
As a precision tool,it should have been
released election week
The story in full will be factually incorrect if Vradakar isn't charged and convicted of breaking the law
Come the next election primetime debates,he'll make that very clear if its brought up and for that reason I doubt it will be
It was a monumental wrong time use of ammunition
You'd hope that's the reason the 2nd 'big reveal' was such a flop,that they have now copped on and held something back
I doubt it though,these guys just seem incompetent IMO

So Leo did wrong, it's just the village magazine didn't get the timing right exposing it?


You have to laugh at the serial FG support posters thanking it.

McMurphy

McMurphy wrote: »

So Leo did wrong, it's just the village magazine didn't get the timing right exposing it?


You have to laugh at the serial FG support posters thanking it.

The Village articles read like the ramblings of a scorned lover. Leo made an error of judgment, both in giving the document to a former friend and in his choice of friends.

Nobotty

smurgen wrote: »

But everything you've said is subjective but what is a fact is that Leo Varadkar leaked confidential commercially sensitive documents to a third party that was not included in the discussions.

Yeah, I know that's a fact,but let's face it,the head of government has a lot of authority and whether it is right or wrong to use it is separate from if its legal
If a Taoiseach has the right to do something, then its not illegal
Thats quite apart from the case that the document was already outside of cabinet,voted on and circulating amongst parties that didn't negotiate it,all of which will have gardai dropping this politely
We mightnt actually hear when thanks to gdpr

Those guys in the village and Paddy cosgrave didn't think this one through
They ejaculated prematurely IMO
Opportunity lost

Nobotty

McMurphy wrote: »

So Leo did wrong, it's just the village magazine didn't get the timing right exposing it?


You have to laugh at the serial FG support posters thanking it.

I know
I'm on mobile so have to go to the bother of clicking on the thanks to see who thanked something
I usually don't
But sure if it makes them feel good, it might sustain them until election time
You have to keep them alive until come uppance time

FrancieBrady

What FG have to worry about from now until a change of leader is, 'is there anymore out there'.

Leo plays on the 'I did nothing wrong' when challenged in an election campaign, then out comes another incidence of 'wrongdoing in the best interests of the country'. FG sink like a stone.

Would you risk it?
He is damaged goods. FG will get rid, they cannot be that stupid or invested in him.

McMurphy

Deleted User wrote: »

The Village articles read like the ramblings of a scorned lover. Leo made an error of judgment, both in giving the document to a former friend and in his choice of friends.

Poor auld MOT, you're trying to throw the man under the bus now? In case you didn't notice, it wasn't even him that blew the whistle on Leo Maryanne, the way you wrote that post, you'd be forgiven for thinking you were implying Leo, Matt and himself are no longer on speaking terms.

Have you a source for that btw, or plucked from you know where?

smurgen

Nobotty wrote: »

Yeah, I know that's a fact,but let's face it,the head of government has a lot of authority and whether it is right or wrong to use it is separate from if its legal
If a Taoiseach has the right to do something, then its not illegal
Thats quite apart from the case that the document was already outside of cabinet,voted on and circulating amongst parties that didn't negotiate it,all of which will have gardai dropping this politely
We mightnt actually hear when thanks to gdpr

Those guys in the village and Paddy cosgrave didn't think this one through
They ejaculated prematurely IMO
Opportunity lost

Given this and the parachuting of Seamus Woulfe by Leo into his position it's a terrible look for the image of FG. The optics when you put it all together is terrible. Looking at the fiasco of the tendering processing of multiple projects and it's death by a thousand cuts for the reputation of the party of law and order.

Fann Linn

smurgen wrote: »

Given this and the parachuting of Seamus Woulfe by Leo into his position it's a terrible look for the image of FG. The optics when you put it all together is terrible. The looking at the fiasco of the tendering processing of multiple projects and it's death by a thousand cuts for the reputation of the party of law and order.

Not everyone swallowed the auld law and order guff.
Moriarty blew that sh1t outta the water.

Floppybits

Deleted User wrote: »

The Village articles read like the ramblings of a scorned lover. Leo made an error of judgment, both in giving the document to a former friend and in his choice of friends.

Would you be saying the same if the shoe was on the other foot and say Mary Lou made an error of judgement like Leo?.

McMurphy

Fann Linn wrote: »

Not everyone swallowed the auld law and order guff.
Moriarty blew that sh1t outta the water.

Error of judgement party.

RandomViewer

smurgen wrote: »

Given this and the parachuting of Seamus Woulfe by Leo into his position it's a terrible look for the image of FG. The optics when you put it all together is terrible. Looking at the fiasco of the tendering processing of multiple projects and it's death by a thousand cuts for the reputation of the party of law and order.

The image most people have of FG is of pompous middle aged men who will condone anything so long as its in the pursuit of profit,

FrancieBrady

McMurphy wrote: »

Error of judgement party.

'Errors of judgements for the good of the country'...has a nice ring to it.

Floppybits

Floppybits wrote: »

Would you be saying the same if the shoe was on the other foot and say Mary Lou made an error of judgement like Leo?.

If the circumstances were the same, yes.