Your New WHS Index

slingerz

What’s the most your index can increase in a year? I thought it was 2 shots? And is it linked to your lowest index or your starting index e.g. I start at 5.6 get to 4.2 is the highest I can get to 7.6 or 6.2?

big_drive

slingerz wrote: »

What’s the most your index can increase in a year? I thought it was 2 shots? And is it linked to your lowest index or your starting index e.g. I start at 5.6 get to 4.2 is the highest I can get to 7.6 or 6.2?

It can increase by 5 I think so in that example can go to 9.2

prawnsambo

Dayor Knight wrote: »

Gents,

Another two club situation I hope you can clarify for me - I joined a second club closer to home last Summer. Played mainly casual golf there and a couple of open competitions using my home club G.I. number. Couldn't sign in to competitions on my new club G.I. number, contacted handicap sec and he asked me to get a handicap cert from my home club so he could set me up as an 'away' member. That was before WHS introduction and lockdown, so I'm only sorting it out now...

Under WHS, should the secondary club just link my record to my home club record so that the handicap records are automatically updated? (I have no separate records under the new club as yet).

Is there any need (or point) for me to get a handicap record from my home club to get this set up?


Any info appreciated..

Thanks

If you join another club and designate that as an away club, the away club should record that on their end of the Golf Ireland platform and link your home club to your record. Your home club should also link to the away club using your number there. You should only use your home club number to sign in to competitions, your away club number is not to be used anywhere.

You can only have one home club.

Dayor Knight

prawnsambo wrote: »

If you join another club and designate that as an away club, the away club should record that on their end of the Golf Ireland platform and link your home club to your record. Your home club should also link to the away club using your number there. You should only use your home club number to sign in to competitions, your away club number is not to be used anywhere.

You can only have one home club.

That makes total sense, thanks.

Seve OB

prawnsambo wrote: »

If you join another club and designate that as an away club, the away club should record that on their end of the Golf Ireland platform and link your home club to your record. Your home club should also link to the away club using your number there. You should only use your home club number to sign in to competitions, your away club number is not to be used anywhere.

You can only have one home club.

I don’t have an away club number. Not sure why anyone would unless they pay a second Golf Ireland Fee…… which they don’t need to.

finglashoop

down to 13.1

best 8 from last 11 games.

loving the new system as its so transparent

prawnsambo

Seve OB wrote: »

I don’t have an away club number. Not sure why anyone would unless they pay a second Golf Ireland Fee…… which they don’t need to.

Some people do where they are a member of one club and then join another which they then designate as their home club and thus have two numbers.

Also (as evidenced above) many people don't seem to know that you don't need or should have two numbers.

finglashoop

etxp wrote: »

Yea you can really see who is minding their handicap. I know of someone who shot a 65 gross last year, his next 19 rounds all way above his handicap, first big comp of this year he wins it with a sub par gross round and gets a .5 increase on his index.

Do they think people cant see what they are doing?

agree its so transparent. i suppose if the wheels fall off ill see it going the other way.

aim is to stay under 85 consistently

i wont be winning off that anyway so just trying to get as low as i can.

Brusna

prawnsambo wrote: »

Some people do where they are a member of one club and then join another which they then designate as their home club and thus have two numbers.

Also (as evidenced above) many people don't seem to know that you don't need or should have two numbers.

The number is generated automatically when setting up a new member even if it is an away member.

In our club this membership number is used in the BRS system but is also linked to the members home club number which is their CHD id.

So if they sign in to a competition with our club number it will still link back to their home club and CHD id.

DuckSlice

finglashoop wrote: »

agree its so transparent. i suppose if the wheels fall off ill see it going the other way.

aim is to stay under 85 consistently

i wont be winning off that anyway so just trying to get as low as i can.

Fairplay, I'm the same, i go out to beat my handicap each round, some people are the opposite. My target is 7.4 this year from 8.7. I have an excel file done up and i know what i need to shoot to get there. I find it very helpful.

finglashoop

etxp wrote: »

Fairplay, I'm the same, i go out to beat my handicap each round, some people are the opposite. My target is 7.4 this year from 8.7. I have an excel file done up and i know what i need to shoot to get there. I find it very helpful.

just the golf ireland app shows me what i need.

88 is the highest of the 8.
77 is the lowest.

so if i can keep under 85 i can get to twelve.
i dont birdie very often and to be honest i dont see how i will suddenly start but i think i can par at least 12 holes a round and work from there

Mantis Toboggan

Anyone notice scoring in comps gone higher under the new system? Since we've come back we've had a 52, couple of 48's few 45's and this weekend two 47's in the same comp!

finglashoop

Mantis Toboggan wrote: »

Anyone notice scoring in comps gone higher under the new system? Since we've come back we've had a 52, couple of 48's few 45's and this weekend two 47's in the same comp!

i lost with 45 on a card playoff. round of my life.

seems everyone ive played with went up 2-3 shots so will take a while to settle back in and scores to come back down

prawnsambo

Brusna wrote: »

The number is generated automatically when setting up a new member even if it is an away member.

In our club this membership number is used in the BRS system but is also linked to the members home club number which is their CHD id.

So if they sign in to a competition with our club number it will still link back to their home club and CHD id.

Yeah. I think the issue of fees is a bit of a red herring. They're not linked afaik. Clubs get a request for payment from GI which they can amend based on which are home members and remit that.

prawnsambo

Mantis Toboggan wrote: »

Anyone notice scoring in comps gone higher under the new system? Since we've come back we've had a 52, couple of 48's few 45's and this weekend two 47's in the same comp!

I think it's a combination of the system getting aligned and also (what I've noticed) a fair few more people playing competitions.

moycullen14

Seve OB wrote: »

Firstly masterscoreboard has actually nothing to do with your handicap. have you even bothered logging into Golf Ireland?

Do you by any chance pay GUI fees to both clubs? Possible you have two different GUI profiles/numbers?

You will need to ask your secondary club to link your profiles and you shouldn’t be paying them a GUI fee

Thanks for that. Snarky emails make my day! All sorted now. masterscoreboard now showing the same WHS index for both clubs - home and away. What seems to have happened is that the update to the away club from Golf Ireland was different to the update for the home club.

6o9fv7jpreb180

Winner of a big strokeplay competition in our club at the weekend playing off 7, shoots gross 70 (1 under) and his handicap actually went up.

New system is a bandits dream.

big_drive

Emanuel Scrawny Cobble wrote: »

Winner of a big strokeplay competition in our club at the weekend playing off 7, shoots gross 70 (1 under) and his handicap actually went up.

New system is a bandits dream.

How's that happen? Surely that score had to count in best 8 and hardly 7 already better?

Wombatman

Emanuel Scrawny Cobble wrote: »

Winner of a big strokeplay competition in our club at the weekend playing off 7, shoots gross 70 (1 under) and his handicap actually went up.

New system is a bandits dream.

Sounds like rubbish.

Either the score counted or it didn't. If it didn't the handicap would stay the same. If it did it would bring the HC down.

The current HC 7 is the outcome of an equation involving a number of scores. It can't be 7 if the scores making up the handicap are better than -1 gross. The score from the weekend should be swapped in to the formula and the HC should come down.

Unless you have another explanation?

6o9fv7jpreb180

Funnily enough, in the last "big comp", he shot gross 6 under, which was 21 rounds ago and no longer counts towards handicap. Has entered loads of rounds scoring in the 80's and 90's since, including casual rounds.. Effectively the the 6 under has been replaced with a 1 under, bringing the average up.

I have emailed golf ireland about suspicious scoring but no reply.

Seve OB

Emanuel Scrawny Cobble wrote: »

Funnily enough, in the last "big comp", he shot gross 6 under, which was 21 rounds ago and no longer counts towards handicap. Has entered loads of rounds scoring in the 80's and 90's since, including casual rounds.. Effectively the the 6 under has been replaced with a 1 under, bringing the average up.

I have emailed golf ireland about suspicious scoring but no reply.

some player

Rikand

Seve OB wrote: »

some player

Streaky, some would say.

The new system would be a handicap cheats wetdream if they were brazen enough to do it, it has to be said

prawnsambo

Rikand wrote: »

Streaky, some would say.

The new system would be a handicap cheats wetdream if they were brazen enough to do it, it has to be said

Sounds like awfully hard work tbh.

"Right, I've won the competition I was after, now for another couple of months getting that off my record so I can do it again"

spacecoyote

prawnsambo wrote: »

Sounds like awfully hard work tbh.

"Right, I've won the competition I was after, now for another couple of months getting that off my record so I can do it again"

Wouldn't take months with Casual & 9 hole counting rounds would have thought?

prawnsambo

spacecoyote wrote: »

Wouldn't take months with Casual & 9 hole counting rounds would have thought?

I'm thinking playing at weekends, but yeah, even more hard work if you have to do it every second day.

Rikand

Its not hard work if you like playing golf

slingerz

There are a few lads in my club registering 5/7 scores a week. There indexes have jumped around something fierce. One lad was a low as 6.4 and is now 8.7, with some variances it is definitely a bandits wet dream

hurleronditch

Emanuel Scrawny Cobble wrote: »

Funnily enough, in the last "big comp", he shot gross 6 under, which was 21 rounds ago and no longer counts towards handicap. Has entered loads of rounds scoring in the 80's and 90's since, including casual rounds.. Effectively the the 6 under has been replaced with a 1 under, bringing the average up.

I have emailed golf ireland about suspicious scoring but no reply.

This is mental. It’s one thing a high handicapper having a “career day” and shooting the lights out, but someone who can go 6 under gross should not be off 7 less than a year later.

As a sidebar, could a club adopt a local rule for majors to stop people sandbagging? Something like all comps are off WHS handicap, however for majors you can be no more that 2 shots higher than your minimum index for last 12 months. Or whatever? The round itself would still move your WHS as normal, but when it comes to awarding the actual silverware adjusted handicaps are used.

prawnsambo

slingerz wrote: »

There are a few lads in my club registering 5/7 scores a week. There indexes have jumped around something fierce. One lad was a low as 6.4 and is now 8.7, with some variances it is definitely a bandits wet dream

It's up to the club to curtail that. Our club requires you to sign in (using a sheet provided by GI) and to leave a card for the h/sec. Don't do that and the score is deleted. If members are clocking up scores at that rate, put a limit on it.

DuckSlice

Emanuel Scrawny Cobble wrote: »

Funnily enough, in the last "big comp", he shot gross 6 under, which was 21 rounds ago and no longer counts towards handicap. Has entered loads of rounds scoring in the 80's and 90's since, including casual rounds.. Effectively the the 6 under has been replaced with a 1 under, bringing the average up.

I have emailed golf ireland about suspicious scoring but no reply.

Must be some prize if he decided to go for it after 21 rounds.