AI Hurling (Joe McDonagh, Christy Ring , Nicky Rackard and Lory Meagher Cups 2020)

PTH2009

Note- Cant make out the Christy Ring and Nicky Rackard cups structures (Offaly conceding making it even more confusing) but if someone knows can they edit them in

Joe McDonagh Cup (5 teams, all play each other with top 2 going through to the final)

Round 1- Sunday 25th Oct
Kerry vs Meath
Antrim vs Westmeath
Carlow Bye

Round 2- Sat 31st Oct
Westmeath vs Kerry
Carlow vs Antrim
Meath Bye

Round 3- Sat 7th Nov/Sat 14th Nov
Carlow vs Meath
Antrim vs Kerry
Westmeath Bye

Round 4- Sat 21st Nov
Kerry vs Carlow
Meath vs Westmeath
Antrim Bye

Round 5- Sat 28th Nov
Meath vs Antrim
Westmeath vs Carlow
Kerry Bye

Final- Sun 13th Dec

Christy Ring Cup

Round 1- Sun 25th Oct
Offaly vs Kildare (Kildare awarded victory)
Roscommon vs Wicklow
Derry vs Sligo

Down in 2A


Nicky Rackard Cup

Round 1- Sat 24th/Sun 25th Oct
Monaghan 2-10(16)- Mayo 3-32(41)
Donegal 2-13(19)- Longford 1-14(17)
Armagh vs Leitrim

Tyrone in Round 2A

Lory Meager Cup (3 teams each play other, top 2 teams in Final)
Round 1- Sat 24th Oct
Louth 1-15 (18)- Fermanagh 3-10 (19)
Cavan Bye

Round 2- Sun 1st Nov
Fermanagh vs Cavan
Louth Bye

Round 3- 7th/8th Nov
Cavan vs Louth
Fermanagh Bye

Final- 14th/15th Nov

Hawkeye9212

Results for Joe McDonagh today

Kerry 1-20 Meath 0-13

Antrim 4-25 Westmeath 1-15

A 19 point win for Antrim sees them at the top of the table. I know it is Westmeath's first game but Antrim are proving to be a serious outfit.

conor05

Hawkeye9212 wrote: »

Results for Joe McDonagh today

Kerry 1-20 Meath 0-13

Antrim 4-25 Westmeath 1-15

A 19 point win for Antrim sees them at the top of the table. I know it is Westmeath's first game but Antrim are proving to be a serious outfit.

Kerry ran Antrim very close last week and 3 of Kerry’s main forwards were not playing.

I think it could be a Antrim v Kerry final. Depending on whether Carlow have everyone at their disposal.

conor05

PTH2009 wrote: »

Note- Cant make out the Christy Ring and Nicky Rackard cups structures (Offaly conceding making it even more confusing) but if someone knows can they edit them in

Joe McDonagh Cup (5 teams, all play each other with top 2 going through to the final)

Round 1- Sunday 25th Oct
Kerry vs Meath
Antrim vs Westmeath
Carlow Bye

Round 2- Sat 31st Oct
Westmeath vs Kerry
Carlow vs Antrim
Meath Bye

Round 3- Sat 7th Nov/Sat 14th Nov
Carlow vs Meath
Antrim vs Kerry
Westmeath Bye

Round 4- Sat 21st Nov
Kerry vs Carlow
Meath vs Westmeath
Antrim Bye

Round 5- Sat 28th Nov
Meath vs Antrim
Westmeath vs Carlow
Kerry Bye

Final- Sun 13th Dec

Christy Ring Cup

Round 1- Sun 25th Oct
Offaly vs Kildare (Kildare awarded victory)
Roscommon vs Wicklow
Derry vs Sligo

Down in 2A


Nicky Rackard Cup

Round 1- Sat 24th/Sun 25th Oct
Monaghan 2-10(16)- Mayo 3-32(41)
Donegal 2-13(19)- Longford 1-14(17)
Armagh vs Leitrim

Tyrone in Round 2A

Lory Meager Cup (3 teams each play other, top 2 teams in Final)
Round 1- Sat 24th Oct
Louth 1-15 (18)- Fermanagh 3-10 (19)
Cavan Bye

Round 2- Sun 1st Nov
Fermanagh vs Cavan
Louth Bye

Round 3- 7th/8th Nov
Cavan vs Louth
Fermanagh Bye

Final- 14th/15th Nov

How would the likes of Carlow, Kerry and Antrim fair our against Ballyhale Shamrocks, Ballygunnar and Na Piarsaigh for example?

PTH2009

Sat 24th Oct

Nicky Rackard Cup round 1
At Letterkenny
Donegal 2-13
Longford 1-14

Nicky Rackard Cup round 1
At Clontibret
Mayo 3-32
Monaghan 2-10

Nicky Rackard Cup round 1
At the Athletic Grounds
Armagh 1-21
Leitrim 0-12

Lory Meagher Cup round 1
At Darver
Fermanagh 3-10
Louth 1-15

Sun 25th Oct
Joe McDonagh Cup round 1
At Tralee
Kerry 1-20
Meath 0-13

Joe McDonagh Cup round 1
At Corrigan Park
Antrim 4-25
Westmeath 1-15

Christy Ring Cup round 1
At Dr Hyde Park
Wicklow 2-19
Roscommon 3-14

Christy Ring Round 1
Kildare walkover victory over Offaly
Derry walkover victory over Sligo

I looked at the Ring fixtures on GAA.ie and seen an A and B section with losers going back in, but I can’t see enough teams for that.

CrabRevolution

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

I looked at the Ring fixtures on GAA.ie and seen an A and B section with losers going back in, but I can’t see enough teams for that.

London were the 8th team but weren't able to partake for obvious reasons. Presumably this resulted in Down getting a bye to round 2A.

CrabRevolution

Looking at the GAA website and the CR format is strange. As I said above Down are straight into round 2A along with the 3 winners from this weekends games. But of the 2 losers of those 2A games, only the loser of the Down game gets to enter round 2B with the other loser being eliminated.

Seems a bit unfair that while 2 teams lose in the same round, one randomly gets another chance while one is eliminated. I know it's to guarantee Down at least 2 games but there must be a better format....

arctictree

CrabRevolution wrote: »

Looking at the GAA website and the CR format is strange. As I said above Down are straight into round 2A along with the 3 winners from this weekends games. But of the 2 losers of those 2A games, only the loser of the Down game gets to enter round 2B with the other loser being eliminated.

Seems a bit unfair that while 2 teams lose in the same round, one randomly gets another chance while one is eliminated. I know it's to guarantee Down at least 2 games but there must be a better format....

I thought it was straight knockout this year? BTW, Wicklow/Roscommon game was a disgrace. 11 minutes of injury time played when only 4 were announced.

PTH2009

yeah i got lost trying to figure out the format for the Ring and Rackard cups

Seems Offaly and Sligo have a small advantage going into the losers section

PTH2009

PTH2009 wrote: »

yeah i got lost trying to figure out the format for the Ring and Rackard cups

Seems Offaly and Sligo have a small advantage going into the losers section

Other teams will be looking for proof of tests yet

Hawkeye9212

conor05 wrote: »

Kerry ran Antrim very close last week and 3 of Kerry’s main forwards were not playing.

I think it could be a Antrim v Kerry final. Depending on whether Carlow have everyone at their disposal.

Antrim were down 6 players including McManus for Westmeath. I agree with you on Kerry. It would be interesting to see how promotion works if they win. I think it would be bad look if they are forced into a play-off with the bottom team from Munster.

Hawkeye9212

CrabRevolution wrote: »

Looking at the GAA website and the CR format is strange. As I said above Down are straight into round 2A along with the 3 winners from this weekends games. But of the 2 losers of those 2A games, only the loser of the Down game gets to enter round 2B with the other loser being eliminated.

Seems a bit unfair that while 2 teams lose in the same round, one randomly gets another chance while one is eliminated. I know it's to guarantee Down at least 2 games but there must be a better format....

Yes. They should have kept the group stage format. It was only 3 games followed by 2 knockout games.

paul0103

CrabRevolution wrote: »

Looking at the GAA website and the CR format is strange. As I said above Down are straight into round 2A along with the 3 winners from this weekends games. But of the 2 losers of those 2A games, only the loser of the Down game gets to enter round 2B with the other loser being eliminated.

Seems a bit unfair that while 2 teams lose in the same round, one randomly gets another chance while one is eliminated. I know it's to guarantee Down at least 2 games but there must be a better format....

It seems a bit crazy alright, but only having 7 teams doesn't help, especially if you want to guarantee each team two games.

The 'reward' for Wicklow and Kildare winning their first round games is a knockout out quarter final against each other within 7 days of playing round 1. Whereas the teams the lost round 1 get a two week break to play a quarter final, possibly against another one of the losing teams.

I think they could have had an extra playoff round on the losers side to make it fairer. It could still have been run in the same number of weeks. Both 2A losers would get a second chance, and it would have meant anyone that loses a game in round 1 would have to win two games in a row to make it to the semi final.

CrabRevolution

paul0103 wrote: »

It seems a bit crazy alright, but only having 7 teams doesn't help, especially if you want to guarantee each team two games.

The 'reward' for Wicklow and Kildare winning their first round games is a knockout out quarter final against each other within 7 days of playing round 1. Whereas the teams the lost round 1 get a two week break to play a quarter final, possibly against another one of the losing teams.

I think they could have had an extra playoff round on the losers side to make it fairer. It could still have been run in the same number of weeks. Both 2A losers would get a second chance, and it would have meant anyone that loses a game in round 1 would have to win two games in a row to make it to the semi final.

That's how this format has run every year before 2018. The 2A losers play the 2B winners in 2 QFs with the QF winners playing the 2A winners in the SFs. It would have worked fine this year if they'd just treated it as though London gave a walkover in their 2 games.

If my maths is right it would only involve 1 extra game compared to the current format, and need no extra weekends.

PTH2009

Anymore clarification on what the format for CR and NR are ?

Will the losers of 2A go out of the championship this weekend ??.

paul0103

PTH2009 wrote: »

Anymore clarification on what the format for CR and NR are ?

Will the losers of 2A go out of the championship this weekend ??.

In Christy Ring the losers of tomorrow's 2A match between Kildare and Wicklow are out (a crazy (plain wrong) format in my opinion), but Derry get a second chance because Down got a bye into Round 2A.
From the fixtures of on https://www.gaa.ie/fixtures-results/:

Round 2B
Round 1 Loser v Derry Played between 07th-08th
Round 1 Loser v Round 1 Loser Played between 07th-08th

2B winners play 2A winners (Down and Wicklow/Kildare) in semi final.

Looks like the same in Nicky Rackard, Armagh are now out. They won in round 1 but lost today. Tyrone get a second chance after getting a bye in round 1 and losing today.

Round 2B
Round 1 Loser v Round 1 Loser Played between 07th-08th
Round 1 Loser v Tyrone Played between 07th-08th

2B winners play 2A winners (Donegal and Mayo) in semi final.

Today's results:
Joe McDonagh
Kerry 2-19 Westmeath 0-14
Carlow 2-25 Antrim 5-16

Christy Ring
Down 1-13 Derry 0-13

Nicky Rackard
Donegal 3-13 Armagh 1-9
Mayo 1-24 Tyrone 0-9

PTH2009

paul0103 wrote: »

In Christy Ring the losers of tomorrow's 2A match between Kildare and Wicklow are out (a crazy (plain wrong) format in my opinion), but Derry get a second chance because Down got a bye into Round 2A.
From the fixtures of on https://www.gaa.ie/fixtures-results/:

Round 2B
Round 1 Loser v Derry Played between 07th-08th
Round 1 Loser v Round 1 Loser Played between 07th-08th

2B winners play 2A winners (Down and Wicklow/Kildare) in semi final.

Looks like the same in Nicky Rackard, Armagh are now out. They won in round 1 but lost today. Tyrone get a second chance after getting a bye in round 1 and losing today.

Round 2B
Round 1 Loser v Round 1 Loser Played between 07th-08th
Round 1 Loser v Tyrone Played between 07th-08th

2B winners play 2A winners (Donegal and Mayo) in semi final.

Today's results:
Joe McDonagh
Kerry 2-19 Westmeath 0-14
Carlow 2-25 Antrim 5-16

Christy Ring
Down 1-13 Derry 0-13

Nicky Rackard
Donegal 3-13 Armagh 1-9
Mayo 1-24 Tyrone 0-9

What a balls of a format, Offaly and Sligo got the weekend off after conceding the 1st round games and there victorious opponents worse off

Mantis Toboggan

Kildare always seem to get the raw deal.

Kerrydude1981

Is the yellow sliotar only being used in the top tier championship?

We have played two games now and the traditional white sliotar has being used

Mantis Toboggan

Mantis Toboggan wrote: »

Kildare always seem to get the raw deal.

They got a draw that gave them Wicklow or Roscommon, I’d say they’re doing OK

Legalfarmer89

Sounds like some match between Antrim and Carlow yesterday. I hope that highlights are shown on the Sunday Game. While it might be the second tier of hurling, Antrim, Westmeath and Carlow and are dual counties with serious hurling areas and hurlers who are just as good as some of their players in the Liam McCarthy, they just don't have the numbers or resources of the Liam McCarthy Counties, except maybe Antrim who could be a sleeping competitor but whose issues are geographical and historically the hurling played up there was a little bit different to the hurling in Munster and Leinster.(I remember seeing that Clarke lad for Antrim leading Antrim to an U21 victory over Wexford a few years ago which included a few current Wexford players). Serious Player.

Kerry for a football County have a mad hurling stronghold in the north of the County and have some brilliant players also.

If there is any serious ambition to promote hurling outside the top counties then this competition should be highlighted.

PTH2009

Put Kerry in Munster round robin if they go on to win the JM

6 teams so no rest weeks

Mantis Toboggan

PTH2009 wrote: »

Put Kerry in Munster round robin if they go on to win the JM

6 teams so no rest weeks

Only problem I'd have with that is that 3rd will come down to how much you hammer kerry by.

I think keep the 10 teams there, take the Joe Mc winners, give them home advantage and let them play off with the bottom team in their division. If they're good enough let them up.

paul0103

Kildare beat Wicklow today to move into the Christy Ring semi final. Wicklow are now out. Fermanagh beat Cavan in Lory Meaghar to reach the final. Cavan play Louth in the final round with the winner making the final.

Round 2B draws for Chirsty Ring and Nicky Rackard:

https://www.gaa.ie/hurling/news/christy-ring-and-nickey-rackard-cups-round-2b-draws/

The 2B winners qualify for the semi final.
Christy Ring Round 2B
Derry v Offaly
Roscommon v Sligo

Kildare and Down are already in semi finals.

This year both finalists will be promoted to Joe McDonagh, so Down and Kildare will hope to avoid Offaly in the semi final (if Offaly beat Derry). Usually in CR semi finals avoid repeat pairings if possible. Kildare will be hoping that their walkover from Offally in Round 1 counts as a previous pairing!

Nicky Rackard Round 2B
Longford v Leitrim
Monaghan v Tyrone

Mayo and Donegal are already in semi finals

paul0103

Results from today
Joe McDonagh
Carlow 1-22
Meath 1-21

Christy Ring
Offaly 0-32
Derry 1-12

Nicky Rackard
Tyrone 2-19
Monaghan 1-12

Leitrim 1-11
Longford 0-12

PTH2009

Upcoming fixtures (due to be played weekend 14th/15th Nov)

Joe McDonagh Cup round 3
Antrim v Kerry, Corrigan Park, 1.30pm

Christy Ring Cup semi-finals
Down v Offaly
Kildare v Roscommon

Nicky Rackard Cup semi-finals
Mayo v Leitrim
Donegal v Tyrone

Lory Meagher Cup final
Fermanagh v Louth

tipp_tipp_tipp

Good effort by Meath against carlow. They seem to be fairly established now as a competitive Joe Macdonagh team (though I appreciate they would need to take another step up if they were to ever win it). What's the hurling scene like in meath? Who are the main clubs?

paul0103

tipp_tipp_tipp wrote: »

Good effort by Meath against carlow. They seem to be fairly established now as a competitive Joe Macdonagh team (though I appreciate they would need to take another step up if they were to ever win it). What's the hurling scene like in meath? Who are the main clubs?

Ratoath and Trim made it to the senior final this year, but they didn't get a chance to play it before the restrictions came in. Ratoath, Kildalkey, Kiltale and Trim have been the strongest in recent years. Traditionally Kilmessan and Trim would be the big 2, but Kilmessan haven't won it since 2013, and Trim since 2001. Ratoath got promoted to senior in 2016 and have been strong since. There's 12 teams in senior championship. About 40 teams played championship this year (senior - junior b). 21 were first teams, the rest B and C teams.

I think the standard of the senior championship has probably dropped a little in the past couple of years. The county team are in a funny place, probably just too strong for Christy Ring but still a little bit off being strong competitors in Joe McDonagh.

funkey_monkey

Out of interest only, why did the Joe McDonagh Cup get higher status than Christy Ring. In terms of status, I would have thought that there would be no-one greater than Christy Ring, so why was McDonagh not put in as a lower tier cup?

PTH2009

funkey_monkey wrote: »

Out of interest only, why did the Joe McDonagh Cup get higher status than Christy Ring. In terms of status, I would have thought that there would be no-one greater than Christy Ring, so why was McDonagh not put in as a lower tier cup?

The Christy Ring came before it and at the time was the Tier 2 championship. Then a few years later another gap emerged between hurling counties thus the McDonagh Cup was created (which was originally a qualifier group to get into the Leinster championship)

There was a B All Ireland years ago but don't knw much about that

breezy1985

funkey_monkey wrote: »

Out of interest only, why did the Joe McDonagh Cup get higher status than Christy Ring. In terms of status, I would have thought that there would be no-one greater than Christy Ring, so why was McDonagh not put in as a lower tier cup?

Because league positions are not based on who you think is the best hurler. Sure there is no Mackey cup in the tiers and wasn't he the 2nd best

CrabRevolution

funkey_monkey wrote: »

Out of interest only, why did the Joe McDonagh Cup get higher status than Christy Ring. In terms of status, I would have thought that there would be no-one greater than Christy Ring, so why was McDonagh not put in as a lower tier cup?

Don't think that's how it works;how many All Irelands did Liam MacCarthy win?

On the topic of the Christy Ring though, it looks like Kildare may finally get their chance to make a step up to Joe McDonagh level. They've been victims over the last few years of the inconsistent promotion/relegation policies of the GAA; Meath won the CR in 2016 and 2019, getting automatic promotion each time. Kildare meanwhile won the CR in 2014 and 2018, yet both times they were faced with a playoff which they lost. In fact no team has won a promotion/relegation playoff in the history of the CR.

Now Kildare face Roscommon in the SF, and would be favourites to advance to the final where both teams are promoted.

conor05

CrabRevolution wrote: »

Don't think that's how it works;how many All Irelands did Liam MacCarthy win?

On the topic of the Christy Ring though, it looks like Kildare may finally get their chance to make a step up to Joe McDonagh level. They've been victims over the last few years of the inconsistent promotion/relegation policies of the GAA; Meath won the CR in 2016 and 2019, getting automatic promotion each time. Kildare meanwhile won the CR in 2014 and 2018, yet both times they were faced with a playoff which they lost. In fact no team has won a promotion/relegation playoff in the history of the CR.

Now Kildare face Roscommon in the SF, and would be favourites to advance to the final where both teams are promoted.

Not sure how well Kildare would do in the Joe McDonagh initially, granted they beat Kerry in the 2014 CR final but Kerry have moved up a right few gears since then and hockeyed Kildare the last time they met.

But Kildare have the population and resources and if they could survive a few years up there could most definitely do well.

breezy1985

CrabRevolution wrote: »

Now Kildare face Roscommon in the SF, and would be favourites to advance to the final where both teams are promoted.

I thought it was 1 up with no one coming down from JMcD this year. That's what it says on Wikipedia at least

conor05

conor05 wrote: »

Not sure how well Kildare would do in the Joe McDonagh initially, granted they beat Kerry in the 2014 CR final but Kerry have moved up a right few gears since then and hockeyed Kildare the last time they met.

But Kildare have the population and resources and if they could survive a few years up there could most definitely do well.

They’d be destroyed in it next year but it’s all about progress and every year up a level helps in getting to that level.

CrabRevolution

breezy1985 wrote: »

I thought it was 1 up with no one coming down from JMcD this year. That's what it says on Wikipedia at least

Both Leinster and the J McD are being expanded to 6 teams next year, so they'll need to take 2 teams to bring the J McD up to 6.

https://www.hoganstand.com/Article/Index/309173

CrabRevolution

conor05 wrote: »

Not sure how well Kildare would do in the Joe McDonagh initially, granted they beat Kerry in the 2014 CR final but Kerry have moved up a right few gears since then and hockeyed Kildare the last time they met.
But Kildare have the population and resources and if they could survive a few years up there could most definitely do well.

In fairness, we in Meath have not done well at J McD level either. I was lamenting in the Meath thread a week or 2 ago that while we seem to have mastered the CR, but since beating Kerry in 2017 we've played about 20 games against J McD teams and lost every single one. That said Westmeath seem in disarray this year so we could have a chance of a long overdue win.

If Kildare do come up they'd only need to beat us to survive. While we've been a step above Kildare the last few years, it's not beyond them to beat us.

Rolo2010

breezy1985 wrote: »

I thought it was 1 up with no one coming down from JMcD this year. That's what it says on Wikipedia at least

2 up. One JMcD team goes up to Leinster which leaves 4 in the JMcD. It is expanding to 6 teams so both CR finalists will go up. Each tier will have 6 teams like the League.

zetecescort

TG4 youtube links for games on Saturday

Donegal v Tyrone (Rackard) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BhwN-rpmTNQ

Mayo v Leitrim (Rackard) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zoAoEVTjr5w

Kildare v Roscommon (Ring) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMCcBauDYuw

conor05

Big game in the Joe McDonagh cup today.

Antrim v Kerry in Belfast

Place in the final up for grabs if Kerry win it.

kala85

Who will the pay in the final

An Ciarraioch

As things stand, Kerry had 4 points, Antrim and Carlow were on 3, so even, as seems inevitable early on, that Kerry lose, they can still make the final by beating Carlow:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_Joe_McDonagh_Cup

funkey_monkey

conor05 wrote: »

Big game in the Joe McDonagh cup today.

Antrim v Kerry in Belfast

Place in the final up for grabs if Kerry win it.

Can this be viewed online or tv free?

paul0103

Christy Ring semi final between Offaly and Down finishes 1.16 each. Gone to extra time

Big Ears

paul0103 wrote: »

Christy Ring semi final between Offaly and Down finishes 1.16 each. Gone to extra time

Offaly were 2 down with 3 mins to go.
Level now in injury time of extra time.

paul0103

And now gone to penalties

That’s absolutely disgraceful from Offaly.

paul0103

Down win the shootout 3-2 to make it to the final with Kildare. Kildare and Down both promoted to Joe McDonagh for next year, Offaly will play Christy Ring again

paul0103

And it seems the Down keeper is the hero!

https://twitter.com/DanBannon86/status/1327640549604679681?s=19

PTH2009

Donegal vs Mayo final in the Nicky Rackard

Kildare into the Christy Ring final

We await penalties in the other CR semi final , not good for the heart for Offaly and Down supporters