Free BLM Theme

stefanovich

What do people think? Will you be downloading it?

Now you can support Marxism whilst also supporting Sony Corp.

In general what do people think of gaming getting politicised?

:pac:

Retr0gamer

stefanovich wrote: »

Now you can support Marxism whilst also supporting Sony Corp.

:rolleyes:

wes

FFS, gaming is already political. The new Call of Duty is full of politics, where you work for Ronald Regan, doing black ops stuff. Plenty of politics all over gaming. Wolfenstein, you fight Nazi's, in the original you fight Hitler. The Gears of War original trilogy was basically about the Iraq war and oil wars and so on. Games have been political for ever.

Secondly, Human Rights are not Marxist.

BLM is specifically a Human Rights movement.

gizmo

I downloaded it and used the money I would have usually have spent on premium PS4 themes to buy an extra copy of Das Kapital.

johnny_ultimate

I don’t think there’s much value in corporate expressions of performative solidarity (a PS4 theme isn’t going to move the dial on the fight for justice and equality), but it’s better than nothing and if it gives even a few people something they want than it was worthwhile.

And games should be more political. Seeing the likes of Ubisoft games cowardly back away from the political ideas / themes often inherent in the concepts is ridiculous and makes for worse games.

stefanovich

wes wrote: »

BLM is specifically a Human Rights movement.

I suppose I don't really want to get into that aspect of the discussion but the BLM founders have specifically identified as Marxist and this movement has its roots in Marxist ideology.

They also call out the nuclear family as an issue to be resolved.

Do you think Sony Corp really cares or is it all marketing to sell more product?

stefanovich

https://fee.org/articles/is-black-lives-matter-marxist-no-and-yes/

Interesting breakdown of the movement.

stefanovich

johnny_ultimate wrote: »

performative solidarity

1) Solidarity with black people and specific issues relevant to them? I approve.
2) Solidarity with Marxism? Moronic.
3) People who deliberately use 1 to push 2? Insincere, dangerous and exploitative.

Kingp35

stefanovich wrote: »

Do you think Sony Corp really cares or is it all marketing to sell more product?

It's clearly this. Big corporations love jumping on the bandwagon of the latest social movement. It's all about money, nothing else matters.

Sexual Chocolate

stefanovich wrote: »

Will you be downloading it?

No !

3DataModem

I use avatars instead of voting, and I clap instead of paying tax.

Sawduck

It's free

stefanovich

Sawduck wrote: »

It's free

It's only free until they get into power

String

I wouldn't consider systemic racism political, but it's the equivalent of a desktop background. A theme that only you can see and does not affect anyone else isn't pushing ideas on anyone else and isn't a big deal really

stefanovich

String wrote: »

I wouldn't consider systemic racism political, but it's the equivalent of a desktop background. A theme that only you can see and does not affect anyone else isn't pushing ideas on anyone else and isn't a big deal really

BLM consider themselves a political movement grounded in Marxism.

Sony are putting this out for free as a show of solidarity with said movement.

String

stefanovich wrote: »

BLM consider themselves a political movement grounded in Marxism.

Sony are putting this out for free as a show of solidarity with said movement.

The people who organise protests might be but the average black person in America who marches on the street does it because of systemic racism they have experienced not because of politics. White people who march do it in solidarity with their family and friends who are black. Not everything is about Trump

Retr0gamer

Everything right wingers now is a labelled wrongly as a form of socialism or communism. It's sad when gullible people start swallowing it up and regurgitating it. And it achieves their aim of vilifying a movement about people just looking for some actual human decency.

I thought all the bandwagon jumpers started quietly distancing themselves from BLM .. like 4 months ago. Maybe that's how long it takes for something to get approved in Sony. They'll have a wazzup theme next to tie-in with that Budweiser commercial

stefanovich

Retr0gamer wrote: »

Everything right wingers now is a labelled wrongly as a form of socialism or communism. It's sad when gullible people start swallowing it up and regurgitating it. And it achieves their aim of vilifying a movement about people just looking for some actual human decency.

Go to the BLM website and read it.

Eduard Khil

Deleted User wrote: »

I thought all the bandwagon jumpers started quietly distancing themselves from BLM .. like 4 months ago. Maybe that's how long it takes for something to get approved in Sony. They'll have a wazzup theme next to tie-in with that Budweiser commercial

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McFly85

I don’t understand, am I supposed to be angry about Sony offering a free theme in support of the BLM movement?

Maybe Sony aren’t spelling out they’re entire political agenda by offering this. Maybe they recognised that a lot of their player base support BLM and gave them a theme they might like to use.

If this is something that bothers you maybe really think why that is. It’s only a theme, and if you don’t want to use it, don’t use it.

stefanovich

McFly85 wrote: »

I don’t understand, am I supposed to be angry about Sony offering a free theme in support of the BLM movement?

Maybe Sony aren’t spelling out they’re entire political agenda by offering this. Maybe they recognised that a lot of their player base support BLM and gave them a theme they might like to use.

If this is something that bothers you maybe really think why that is. It’s only a theme, and if you don’t want to use it, don’t use it.

I know why it bothers me. I dislike Marxists and I dislike fake corporate nonsense.

McFly85

stefanovich wrote: »

I know why it bothers me. I dislike Marxists and I dislike fake corporate nonsense.

But it’s a theme, for a gaming system, that is in support of equal treatment black people, that nobody is forcing on you. It’s a completely mad thing to be bothered by.

johnny_ultimate

TBH this thread seems like an excuse to give out about Marxism rather than anything to do with this theme.

For what it’s worth, socialist and anti-capitalist ideologies often inevitably get mixed up with other protest movements due to the effect of neo-liberal policy-making and orthodoxy on class and racial division. Fundamental economic reform is for many on the left the crucial factor in addressing justice, poverty, democracy, climate and other major issues - without a change to the status quo, those problems will not be resolved in a satisfactory and permanent way.

*bows out of thread for eternity*

jill_valentine

All else aside, it's aesthetically a really nice theme.

Potential-Monke

jill_valentine wrote: »

All else aside, it's aesthetically a really nice theme.

I was gonna post the same, but I won't be downloading it. If they removed the text of Black Lives Matter I'd consider it. I avoid most political stuff as I just don't have the patience for it. Water off a ducks back if you will.

But I do also agree it's corporate bandwagonning. Sony no more care about the BLM movement, but it's cool and hip to be down with the latest movements.

Now just waiting for the International Kiss-A-Ginger theme. Basically just a dynamic theme with all the red-headed PS characters. I'd download that alright.

snowblind

stefanovich wrote: »

I suppose I don't really want to get into that aspect of the discussion but the BLM founders have specifically identified as Marxist and this movement has its roots in Marxist ideology.

They also call out the nuclear family as an issue to be resolved.

Do you think Sony Corp really cares or is it all marketing to sell more product?

Even the word capitalism has roots in Marxist ideology. Perhaps you should stop using that word because you don't like it.

Sawduck

McFly85 wrote: »

I don’t understand, am I supposed to be angry about Sony offering a free theme in support of the BLM movement?

Maybe Sony aren’t spelling out they’re entire political agenda by offering this. Maybe they recognised that a lot of their player base support BLM and gave them a theme they might like to use.

If this is something that bothers you maybe really think why that is. It’s only a theme, and if you don’t want to use it, don’t use it.

It's not like people are being forced to use it

nice of them to use the proud boys colours though

ronano

I'm pro black lives matter, I just think the colour scheme looks awful. I'm also just irritated by large corporations co-opting this stuff.

stefanovich

ronano wrote: »

I'm pro black lives matter, I just think the colour scheme looks awful. I'm also just irritated by large corporations co-opting this stuff.

There is a difference between believing the lives of black people matter and supporting the BLM group itself which is a political movement.

gizmo

stefanovich wrote: »

There is a difference between believing the lives of black people matter and supporting the BLM group itself which is a political movement.

Do you believe people can support the Black Lives Matter movement without supporting the US-based Black Lives Matter organisation?

Do you believe that either the movement or the organisation are inextricably linked to Marxism?

Do you believe that if I download this PS4 theme I am either directly or indirectly supporting the downfall of capitalism?

stefanovich

gizmo wrote: »

Do you believe people can support the Black Lives Matter movement without supporting the US-based Black Lives Matter organisation?

Do you believe that either the movement or the organisation are inextricably linked to Marxism?

Do you believe that if I download this PS4 theme I am either directly or indirectly supporting the downfall of capitalism?

I believe there are a lot of people who support BLM for good reasons.

I think BLM the organisation is inexplicably linked to Marxism and they use their donations to that end. That's exploitation.

I believe Sony are hypocrites and are causing harm by encouraging this.

snowblind

stefanovich wrote: »

I believe there are a lot of people who support BLM for good reasons.

I think BLM the organisation is inexplicably linked to Marxism and they use their donations to that end. That's exploitation.

I believe Sony are hypocrites and are causing harm by encouraging this.

What harm?

stefanovich

snowblind wrote: »

What harm?

They are encouraging people to donate to Marxists who hate America?

snowblind

stefanovich wrote: »

They are encouraging people to donate to Marxists who hate America?

Again, where's the harm?

snowblind

Do you think private companies should only profess love and admiration to capitalism and the United States of America, otherwise making them harmful, allowing for only one kind of ideology / politics to be communicated?

gizmo

stefanovich wrote: »

I believe there are a lot of people who support BLM for good reasons.

I think BLM the organisation is inexplicably linked to Marxism and they use their donations to that end. That's exploitation.

I believe Sony are hypocrites and are causing harm by encouraging this.

That doesn't really address the salient point here. You appear to be linking this theme to BLM the organisation who you then link to Marxism.

Can someone not download the theme and support the message without supporting BLM the org?

stefanovich

gizmo wrote: »

That doesn't really address the salient point here. You appear to be linking this theme to BLM the organisation who you then link to Marxism.

Can someone not download the theme and support the message without supporting BLM the org?

Yes they can. I am addressing Sony's behaviour.

Kingp35

snowblind wrote: »

Do you think private companies should only profess love and admiration to capitalism

Well if they did this at least they would be being honest instead of jumping on social issue bandwagons to try and earn more money.

stefanovich

snowblind wrote: »

Do you think private companies should only profess love and admiration to capitalism and the United States of America, otherwise making them harmful, allowing for only one kind of ideology / politics to be communicated?

Without capitalism you would not have Sony.

Marxism is a dangerous and destructive ideology.

gizmo

stefanovich wrote: »

Yes they can. I am addressing Sony's behaviour.

Same deal there then, can Sony not offer this theme and support the spread of the message without supporting BLM the org?

recyclops

its actually a really nice theme as well, having sold my ps5 I cant test it does it have any sound effects or music or standard ps4 sounds?

johnny_ultimate

recyclops wrote: »

its actually a really nice theme as well, having sold my ps5 I cant test it does it have any sound effects or music or standard ps4 sounds?

I haven’t downloaded it yet, but going by this thread I can only assume it blasts out socialist anthem The Internationale when installed.

gizmo

johnny_ultimate wrote: »

I haven’t downloaded it yet, but going by this thread I can only assume it blasts out socialist anthem The Internationale when installed.

Shame, I don't like when politics gets mixed with music. I much prefer apolitical stuff like Rage Against The Machine.

johnny_ultimate

gizmo wrote: »

Shame, I don't like when politics gets mixed with music. I much prefer apolitical stuff like Rage Against The Machine.

“Thank you officer, I will do as you tell me” is a classic RATM apolitical refrain.

snowblind

Kingp35 wrote: »

Well if they did this at least they would be being honest instead of jumping on social issue bandwagons to try and earn more money.

Yes, that doesn't mean there's harm involved. Cringe, mostly.

snowblind

stefanovich wrote: »

Without capitalism you would not have Sony.

Marxism is a dangerous and destructive ideology.

Without Marxism capitalism would miss a lot of it's theory. Without Marxism employee rights would lag behind at least 20 years, Without Marxism the working class wouldn't make enough to buy a PS5 therefore making the demand for a PS5 much lower.

What is Marxism destroying?

Mccarthyists tried to remove everything that is "too left" from thinking, the way you seem to try, it didn't work because as much as marxism is an ideology, so is capitalism, and they are inherently linked.


And what's this to do with BLM then :pac:

stefanovich

snowblind wrote: »

Without Marxism capitalism would miss a lot of it's theory.

Marx was an idiot and his writing is garbage.

ronano

History will look back at this moment as the pivotal movement that Marxism hit critical mass to change the world....through the use of a downloadable theme.

snowblind

stefanovich wrote: »

Marx was an idiot and his writing is garbage.

Yeah but that's just like, your opinion, man.