Tesla Model 3 - V3.0

innrain

iknorr wrote: »

Anyone got a comparison of costs for buying private vs buying through a PLC company?

Don't know what you mean. There is no grant for company bought EVs.
So if the car qualifies for grant as private owner commercial is 5k more expensive. No charts needed. I'm I missing something?

iknorr

innrain wrote: »

Don't know what you mean. There is no grant for company bought EVs.
So if the car qualifies for grant as private owner commercial is 5k more expensive. No charts needed. I'm I missing something?

THeres a bit more to it than that. BIK, Vat deductions etc. Over 4 years theres a bit of a difference. I saw an excel sheet on here last year ( cant find it now) where someone calculated out all the costs involved for the options.

I wonder if it has been updated for the new configuration options and vat terms.

innrain

iknorr wrote: »

THeres a bit more to it than that. BIK, Vat deductions etc. Over 4 years theres a bit of a difference. I saw an excel sheet on here last year ( cant find it now) where someone calculated out all the costs involved for the options.

I wonder if it has been updated for the new configuration options and vat terms.

BIK exemption is gone in 1817 months. If we speak about Tesla my opinion is that VAT is not claimable (Partial recovery of VAT on qualifying passenger motor vehicles). There is ACCA left which can reduce the tax bill in the year of purchase and that is pretty much all. I didn't see any spreadsheet around here but I may be wrong.

innrain

Impressed with the TM3 efficiency.
Here I got 12.8kWh/100km on about 90% M50 and the rest city drive. For what is worth I think is less efficient on the city drive as Kona. When I got off the M50 it was @ 12.3 kWh/100km and it increased due to time spent @ traffic lights.

too bad I can't properly log data.

Kramer

innrain wrote: »

Impressed with the TM3 efficiency.

Beat this :pac:.



Apologies for the reflections .

Slaanesh

Here's mine:

innrain

Kramer wrote: »

Beat this :pac:.



Apologies for the reflections .

Coming down from Mount Everest SuC?

Kramer

innrain wrote: »

Coming down from Mount Everest SuC?

Something like that :cool:.

Happened upon a V3 SuC & happened to have a nicely warmed battery, at an ideal SoC, with free credits to use, so I plugged her in..........

SR+



Went from 10-30% in under 5 minutes, 167kW peak :eek:.

innrain

Got the first 100% charge today after nearly 3 weeks with the car and 2000 km driven. This is the new LR "limited" battery with 580km advertised. @ 100% was still drawing 3kW and was saying 30 mins left but I had to stop.


If I change the display units from energy to km it shows 544 km. Bit confusing when looking at the energy app. How is the 544 is determined? I don't understand the Instant Energy prediction as well.
Charging @ Ionity I got 153kW @21% and from around 24% started to decrease down to around 50kW @80% when I said there is no point to charge there being to "slow" for the price. Average charging speed 80kW for 21% - 84% SoC

AndyBoBandy

The 544 is a guess based on what the car thinks is available..

The 30 minutes remaining and still pulling 3kW is the pack just balancing and finishing the charge, so you didn’t actually charge to 100%.. you’d only be at 100% if you’d let it finish, you would have been in or around 98-99% at that stage.

The projected range (showing 609km) is the most accurate range prediction, but it’s only based on your last 50/25/10km of driving…

Kramer

innrain wrote: »

Got the first 100% charge today after nearly 3 weeks with the car and 2000 km driven.

That's good going .

innrain wrote: »

If I change the display units from energy to km it shows 544 km. Bit confusing when looking at the energy app. How is the 544 is determined?

Tesla use a term called "rated range". It's determined by the available energy divided by a fixed consumption (Wh/km). AFAIK they don't publicize these figures & they apply a time/age factor too. As with everything Tesla, they have to be different!

As already said, the energy consumption pages on the car's screen are more akin to other manufacturers' "GOM" guesstimates, based on prior consumption over the previous 10/25/50km.

I'll be seeing you at a SuC someday given the mileage you're covering & well wear .

innrain

Kramer wrote: »

Tesla use a term called "rated range". It's determined by the available energy divided by a fixed consumption (Wh/km). AFAIK they don't publicize these figures & they apply a time/age factor too. As with everything Tesla, they have to be different!

As already said, the energy consumption pages on the car's screen are more akin to other manufacturers' "GOM" guesstimates, based on prior consumption over the previous 10/25/50km.

I'll be seeing you at a SuC someday given the mileage you're covering & well wear .

I'm not sure I'd like this. To be honest I was expecting a bit more openness if such a word exists. For example in Kona you can display an estimated charging time for DC & AC depending of the max SoC set for each. You have a journal of trips for the last xx days. I imagine TM3 has enough computing power to have such options. Pulling a magic number is a bit ...

Kramer

innrain wrote: »

I'm not sure I'd like this. To be honest I was expecting a bit more openness if such a word exists.

There's certainly plenty of scope to improve how "range" is calculated.
Our Model 3 SR+ had a WLTP range of 409km IIRC.
Tesla showed it as 370km when new (again, IIRC).
After a week of continuous high speed motorway driving for example, Tesla would still show it as 370km, where 250km would be more accurate.

As you said & in fairness, they do show projected ranges in another screen, GOM style.

Again, to be fair to Tesla, they are always pretty spot on with remaining energy when using the onboard navigation & streets ahead of the competition in many regards, superchargers etc.

Mikeysculpts

Right. Model 3 is expensive. At least for a fool like me. Is there a way to nake the damn thing affordable?

I'm self employed and currently have no company car.

I know there is a grant and what not but in reality is it going to be a 50kcar no matter what? Or can it feep like spending 30k?

Kramer

Mikeysculpts wrote: »

Right. Model 3 is expensive. At least for a fool like me. Is there a way to nake the damn thing affordable?

Not that I'm aware of & as it's selling so well & other EVs are moving well up in price (& still selling very well), I can't see many bargains appearing in the near future.

You can have mine, a year old SR+, barely driven in, low mileage.........good price :pac:.

Could you reclaim some VAT or expense it someway? Gain some tax credit of some kind, depending on your profession? I know an electrician in the UK uses one as his work vehicle.

TitianGerm

Mikeysculpts wrote: »

Right. Model 3 is expensive. At least for a fool like me. Is there a way to nake the damn thing affordable?

I'm self employed and currently have no company car.

I know there is a grant and what not but in reality is it going to be a 50kcar no matter what? Or can it feep like spending 30k?

If you're a taxi man you can get an additional grant.

0lddog

UK emergency services trying out M3

Petetheroadie

Kramer wrote: »

Not that I'm aware of & as it's selling so well & other EVs are moving well up in price (& still selling very well), I can't see many bargains appearing in the near future.

You can have mine, a year old SR+, barely driven in, low mileage.........good price :pac:.

Could you reclaim some VAT or expense it someway? Gain some tax credit of some kind, depending on your profession? I know an electrician in the UK uses one as his work vehicle.

How come you're getting rid of your Model 3 Kramer? Is it listed anywhere?

MightyMunster

Mikeysculpts wrote: »

Right. Model 3 is expensive. At least for a fool like me. Is there a way to nake the damn thing affordable?

I'm self employed and currently have no company car.

I know there is a grant and what not but in reality is it going to be a 50kcar no matter what? Or can it feep like spending 30k?

If it's a company car purchase you'll "save" around 25k in tax by buying from pre tax income

wassie

0lddog wrote: »

UK emergency services trying out M3

I'm sure there will be no shortage of coppers putting their hand up to be part of a trial.

Somehow I think any benefits would be eroded pretty quickly once a Police M3 is damaged in a pursuit and needs to go to the body shop....

TitianGerm

MightyMunster wrote: »

If it's a company car purchase you'll "save" around 25k in tax by buying from pre tax income

No he won't.

You can claim capital allowances up to €24,000 on cars. The €24,000 reduces your taxable income not your actual tax.

MightyMunster

TitianGerm wrote: »

No he won't.

You can claim capital allowances up to €24,000 on cars. The €24,000 reduces your taxable income not your actual tax.

Rough calculations

1. pay yourself 50k gross, have 25k net to buy a car
2. Company buys a 50k car and pays you nothing.
You have the use of a 50k car for the loss of 25k pay, saving 25k in income tax.

TitianGerm

MightyMunster wrote: »

Rough calculations

1. pay yourself 50k gross, have 25k net to buy a car
2. Company buys a 50k car and pays you nothing.
You have the use of a 50k car for the loss of 25k pay, saving 25k in income tax.

A single person earning €50k will take home around €36.5k not €25k.

slave1

Car allowances that forgo salary such as that are not allowed for tax purposes

Gumbo

0lddog wrote: »

UK emergency services trying out M3

In other news, 3 prisoners escaped through the panel gaps today.

graememk

slave1 wrote: »

Car allowances that forgo salary such as that are not allowed for tax purposes

Although if your self employed your not taxed on what you take from the business. The tax is on the profit* of the business

- talk to your accountant. You have to stand by what's claimed if there's ever an audit.

*I know it's not just profit, there's capital allowances etc etc -

MightyMunster

TitianGerm wrote: »

A single person earning €50k will take home around €36.5k not €25k.

True for the first 50k but not for the second one for example.
In your example you'd still be saving 13.5k in tax by the company buying the car instead of paying you the money to buy it.

TitianGerm

MightyMunster wrote: »

True for the first 50k but not for the second one for example.
In your example you'd still be saving 13.5k in tax by the company buying the car instead of paying you the money to buy it.

No the employee will be liable to BIK on a portion of the value of the car as well.

As someone else said Revenue don't look to favourably on salary sacrifices like your suggesting and you could be asking for trouble down the line.

innrain

I think MightyMunster speaks from the owner perspective and not the employee. and there is no BIK for the next 17 months if new <50k pre grants. The window closes on this though as 17 months go fast and your facing a 20+% of the said value as BIK for every year of use
As an rough example EV price 50k. BIK lets say 20% -> 10k on top of your personal annual income that could get you a tax bill of 4k per year. There are benefits though so is up to you if it's worth it.

TitianGerm

innrain wrote: »

I think MightyMunster speaks from the owner perspective and not the employee. and there is no BIK for the next 17 months if new <50k pre grants. The window closes on this though as 17 months go fast and your facing a 20+% of the said value as BIK for every year of use
As an rough example EV price 50k. BIK lets say 20% -> 10k on top of your personal annual income that could get you a tax bill of 4k per year. There are benefits though so is up to you if it's worth it.

An owner of a company can also be an employee and would need his BIK treated accordingly.

Is there a Tesla available pre grant for less than €50k?