Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VI - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

Don't Chute!

Jorge Limited Maze wrote: »

I really think the anti restrictions crowd are living in a different planet with the stuff they come out with. The vast majority of people I speak to are massively in favour of the restrictions and most are saying we should have done into them weeks ago.

These restrictions are absolutely necessary the nursing home situation I’m galway is a great example of this.

Could you imagine the absolute sh1t show if we opened up and were having thousands of cases per day and the virus rampant we would have no staff to work in hospitals or nursing homes as everyone would be infected.

We need to get stricter, we need to close schools, we need to forget about pubs for Christmas it is out of the question as people will go mad and just be idiots spreading the virus everywhere. We need these fines to get introduced and none of this softly bull sh1t from the guards, fine as a first resort not a last resort. Sick listening to the weak leadership in the guards in the radio we need a no nonsense, in hard approach. It’s hospital them thugs protesting in Dublin should be now not in cells.

Complains about hospitals being overwhelmed. Says anyone protesting should be put into hospital. Presumably by way of a beating?

bush

Don't Chute! wrote: »

Complains about hospitals being overwhelmed. Says anyone protesting should be put into hospital. Presumably by way of a beating?

He's something else

Idbatterim

there is a brilliant german expression "wer nicht hören will muss fühlen" - "He that will not hear must feel" its spot on, wait for 2021!

Silentcorner

rusty cole wrote: »

So since last week we know the testing failed and thousands have been infected. We know carers have been promised to an over stretched and under staffed now famous galway nursing home...they never turned up for work. We know state supplied hand sanitser is loaded with methanol and not ethanol which has caused bleeding hands, migraines and respiratory issues....wait could that be covid I have??. Nope its our sanitiser . one girl on the news tonight brought her son the doctor with raw irritated and bleeding hands..the Doc said he now has psoriasis thats been "triggered" by continuos exposure to methanol...Cha ching....nice negligence claim waiting in the wings...an absolute shocking cluster **** of a week...these so called leaders are condoms on the finger of progress.

Thousands have tested positive....there are about 300 in hospital, that is including those who picked it up in hospital and those who tested positive whilst in hospital we have circa 11,000 hospital beds nationwide....and we have thrown the country into another severe lockdown restricting personal freedoms for people of all ages terrifying our young and elderly for some time to come and this is the "solution" that we will have to live through again in Jan/Feb.

People need to stop this madness.

retro:electro

Absolutely farcical that Dunnes and the likes might have to close the clothing part of their shops. Last time I checked clothes were essential items. It’s coming into the winter months now and the need for things like vests, scarves, gloves, hats are essential. Yes there is always online but a large cohort of the population aren’t online or familiar with online shopping, especially the elderly who have never navigated an online site before. How do they get these things? A girl I work with had her baby yesterday six weeks early. She has plenty of clothes but nothing that will fit him right now. What is she and people in her position to do? Wait 5-7 days for online delivery before they can cloth the child? This is absolutely ridiculous. There is absolutely nothing to suggest that having a browse about the shops is contributing to any major spread so why the hell are they being closed. What a load of absolute bollox

tjdaly

Excuse my French, but walking around town today it appeared that the vast body of people out there couldn't give a flying phuck about this lockown.

normanoffside

tjdaly wrote: »

Excuse my French, but walking around town today it appeared that the vast body of people out there couldn't give a flying phuck about this lockown.

And why should they?

Rrrrrr2

retro:electro wrote: »

Absolutely farcical that Dunnes and the likes might have to close the clothing part of their shops. Last time I checked clothes were essential items. It’s coming into the winter months now and the need for things like vests, scarves, gloves, hats are essential. Yes there is always online but a large cohort of the population aren’t online or familiar with online shopping, especially the elderly who have never navigated an online site before. How do they get these things? A girl I work with had her baby yesterday six weeks early. She has plenty of clothes but nothing that will fit him right now. What is she and people in her position to do? Wait 5-7 days for online delivery before they can cloth the child? This is absolutely ridiculous. There is absolutely nothing to suggest that having a browse about the shops is contributing to any major spread so why the hell are they being closed. What a load of absolute bollox

They’re doing this nonsense in Wales so the Covid vegetables will have to follow through- I hope they do for two reasons it does happen- 1. It’s such utter nonsensical crap that it punctures further whatever sketchy logic there was left to lockdowns
and 2. Why should the large multiple supermarkets be allowed sell these items when the small family owned store next door is shuttered? Let the happy clappy seals enjoy a few shortages while they enjoy their latest lockdown.

Rrrrrr2

tjdaly wrote: »

Excuse my French, but walking around town today it appeared that the vast body of people out there couldn't give a flying phuck about this lockown.

Good! Same in Kilkenny today- busy as ever today on the roads. This lockdown is a complete farce

retro:electro

Also I know of someone who tested positive a few weeks ago, she was contacted by contact tracing but also took it upon herself to inform her own close contacts of her test result. Five days later her close contacts got a call to alert them to the fact that they had been in contact with a known case. What a joke. There are people walking around out there who are close contacts for days and don’t yet know it because the system is completely non functional. Maybe the government should have spent billions into funding a proper track and trace system instead of pumping billions into ensuring people never work again and collapsing the economy

Beasty

Rrrrrr2 wrote: »

Why would anyone wear a face muzzle outside? Unless you’ve had a full lobotomy

Threadbanned for ignoring prior instructions not to use the term "muzzle"

Silentcorner

To be fair, how do you build a track and trace system for a virus that the vast majority of people who have it won't even know they have?

And what is the point of testing all those people with a testing system that isn't reliable.

road_high

Silentcorner wrote: »

To be fair, how do you build a track and trace system for a virus that the vast majority of people who have it won't even know they have?

And what is the point of testing all those people with a testing system that isn't reliable.

Indeed- like trying to plug a dam with blue tack. This virus is out there and there’s no stopping it. King Canute stuff

Idbatterim

the amount of stuff you still have to touch on an every day basis is ridiculous! I was on luas earlier, can they not just open all of the doors at a stop? endless doors going into out and out of shops that have to be touched. often you have to touch the sanitiser dispensers...

in aldi and lidl not having self service checkouts, it just increases the interaction and handling of everything! i wouldnt expect them in tiny shops, but do think they should be far more widespread...

tjdaly

Idbatterim wrote: »

the amount of stuff you still have to touch on an every day basis is ridiculous! I was on luas earlier, can they not just open all of the doors at a stop? endless doors going into out and out of shops that have to be touched. often you have to touch the sanitiser dispensers...

in aldi and lidl not having self service checkouts, it just increases the interaction and handling of everything! i wouldnt expect them in tiny shops, but do think they should be far more widespread...

Would you not just stay home?

treade1

Well the good news is the HSE have copped onto the flaws in the PCR test. I understand they are going to rerun any assays that are borderline positive - i.e. anything above 30 RT cycles. This should result in a significant reduction in cases - today's lower case number might be the start of that seeping through - although the powers that be will claim it is the farcical nonexistent level 5 lockdown working. At this stage I don't care how they decide to climb down from the serial lockdown strategy - I just want the country opened up and if they do it without losing face so be it.

treade1

tjdaly wrote: »

Would you not just stay home?

exactly anyone that paranoid should stay at home.

Idbatterim

tjdaly wrote: »

Would you not just stay home?

I dont need to have the slightest worry about myself with this virus and I live alone. But its an observation, that when you have masses of people, coming into contact with masses of surfaces, unnecessarily, its not going to help the situation...

sorry, sorry, I have lotto odds at 36 in very good health, of dying from this virus, so there is risk, I just made the insane decision to go on as normal, short of wearing the mask and washing hands more frequently...

If nphet told half nation to jump off their roof, I'd say over half the country would do it!

road_high

treade1 wrote: »

exactly anyone that paranoid should stay at home.

You’d think that - if there’s “support” and fear of Covid why is/has every where I’ve been so busy I go/gone to?
Which gets to the heart of the matter- it’s purely virtue signalling crap that’s driving the whole not any great bona fide fear of a “killer virus”. If it was everyone would be home getting online shopping delivered

MelbourneMan

CruelSummer wrote: »

I’ve been taking breaks recently from RTE, media in general and social media. It’s been great and really focused my mind on what’s important. And it isn’t Covid. The government & NPHET have destroyed their trust with the Irish people by this Level 5 fiasco.
1. How can a Government making one of the biggest decisions this state has to make, pretend they ‘weren’t told’ re contact tracing issues. If they are being truthful and ‘weren’t informed’ by Paul Reid, what kind of Cabinet have we got making major decisions? Not one I support anymore. At the very least, cabinet should have all the information & be looking at a RANGE of options on how to proceed. Thus looking at current test & trace capacity. If they aren’t - shame on them. Screw this Level 5, why should we all follow it if we’re being led by people who don’t even get the basic information right.
2. Dr Tony being wheeled out tonight won’t make a huge difference, I expect him to play the sympathy card. He’s struggling with a private tragic family circumstance & he just felt he had to come back + help the country. (Aka shut down the country). If you look at Dr Tony’s record - it’s lockdown & don’t reopen for months. Let’s see if he makes any other suggestions tonight, I cannot stand Ryan or the Late Late propaganda and turned it off long ago so I won’t be tuning in.
3. Ireland’s Introduction of Penal laws brings my mind back to the late 1600 and 1700’s when Protestants passed Penal Laws against Catholic’s. Imagine that our Government are currently passing these laws not allowing adequate time for debate on them in the Dáil & keeping them in place until June 2021? Why?
4. People are speaking with their feet in my area, everyone is finding a way around the current legislation. I’ve yet to meet one single person that supports level 5. I’ve had people comment openly as to ‘They’re trying to control us, not the virus’. This move to Level 5 & lockdown has completely eroded trust in what our Government are doing.
5. The nursing home situation in Galway is an absolute DISGRACE. Will Ryan ask Dr Tony about that? How on earth are staff in these institutions not tested frequently and regularly as a precaution, especially when Covid is on the rise in the community. Unforgivable.

I’ve two questions for Dr Tony - Have we entered level 5 because of Contact tracing issues & a failure on behalf of Government institutions to get their house in order?
What exactly is his strategy besides lockdown when there’s no vaccine? Has he got one?

Hello. Dr Holohan does not post here, but I can nevertheless give the the correct answers to the above.

No. Contact trace is one of a suite of countermeasure to reduce Covid 19 cases. It is not sufficient to contain it below a level that avoids restrictions, and Ireland is no different to other countries in this respect.

Lockdown is not a strategy, but a particular case on a sliding scale of reduces social contacts, adjustable by the government according to the priorities they place on various aspects of social, economic, and educational life. This is the strategy, and the prevailing considered expert opinion is, that while by no means ideal, it is, on balance, the best model for reacting to minimise the impact of this virus.

Galwayguy35

Came across the guards parked up by the side of the road yesterday and today but they weren't stopping anyone, I wonder do they also reckon the jig is up and people just won't take it anymore.

Graces7

Rrrrrr2 wrote: »

I can tell you that’s a very widely held view too. Older people aren’t the stupid, to be wrapped in cotton wool victims so many pro lockdowners like to frame them as. They’re pretty sick of the endless patronising and being tagged as “vulnerable” too

It is done more by anti lockdowners than by pro. Far more. As in " lock the vulnerable up and let the virus rip so WE can have normal lives." And " well they are going to die soon anyway. "

No we old folk are NOT stupid ! But we do appreciate care taken. Greatly. And are far from feeling patronised. We value life greatly.

Idbatterim

Lockdown is not a strategy, but a particular case on a sliding scale of reduces social contacts, adjustable by the government according to the priorities they place on various aspects of social, economic, and educational life. This is the strategy, and the prevailing considered expert opinion is, that while by no means ideal, it is, on balance, the best model for reacting to minimise the impact of this virus.

minimise the impact of the virus ON THE VIRUS!

road_high

Graces7 wrote: »

It is done more by anti lockdowners than by pro. Far more. As in " lock the vulnerable up and let the virus rip so WE can have normal lives." And " well they are going to die soon anyway. "

No we old folk are NOT stupid ! But we do appreciate care taken. Greatly. And are far from feeling patronised. We value life greatly.

But if you think the current “strategy” is living? Its simply ostrich in sand stuff- Regardless if you’re considered more vulnerable you’ll still be abiding by the same pre cautions.
If you think it’s sustainable for everyone to stay locked up while we inanely wait for a vaccine then you’re sadly mistaken

road_high

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

Came across the guards parked up by the side of the road yesterday and today but they weren't stopping anyone, I wonder do they also reckon the jig is up and people just won't take it anymore.

Could you blame them? It’s a complete joke

Idbatterim

road_high wrote: »

Could you blame them? It’s a complete joke

just being out and being seen, would stop some people from driving...

Johnboy1951

Originally Posted by Johnboy1951 
We had a spike of deaths initially when Covid hit, but the majority of those cases were near death in any case and would likely have died within a couple of weeks if there was no Covid. Hence the spike.

Deleted User wrote: »

Complete and utter bollocks.

Loueze, sorry to read about your mother, but bad things happen.

Silentcorner wrote: »

How many of those that died were treated in ICU?

Apparently 5% only, as the vast majority were reckoned to be past being helped by ICU.

Apparently doctors make such calls on a daily basis, but I know little or nothing about that aspect of it.

Unfortunately I do not have a reference for the above, but those are the figures and reasonings I have heard.

So Tony is on the late late tonight? I hope it’s not all just about Covid. I hope they ask him how he feels about young women dying of cancer due to failings of the screening process and his attempts to cover up same.

normanoffside

https://twitter.com/VirginMediaNews/status/1319707662242570242

Idbatterim

Deleted User wrote: »

So Tony is on the late late tonight? I hope it’s not all just about Covid. I hope they ask him how he feels about young women dying of cancer due to failings of the screening process and his attempts to cover up same.

Late late show, tony, tubridy! I just threw up in my mouth a little!