Schools closed until February? (part 3)

wirelessdude01

Larry2010 wrote: »

Please send on the link?

I'm sure you can find it yourself.

eagle eye

meeeeh wrote:

The children are so very happy to be back at school and it is vital, not only for their learning but for their social skills and wellbeing that we continue to provide this safe haven for them.

Were your best times as a child in school? Mine were on summer holidays, at home playing with my friends.

After two weeks of no school we can arrange pods outside school.

I think your social skills get more practice during play time too than when in a class.

Thats me

Larry2010 wrote: »

This is the same as every workplace.

For any other workplace current rule is: "You should work from home unless you are providing an essential service for which your physical presence is required."


Schools should be closed.

Thats me

Larry2010 wrote: »

I would classify my child’s education as essential

Who will die if they delay their education for couple weeks or will learn at home?

meeeeh

s1ippy wrote: »

In other completely false things that are made up.

The syntax and grammar are a dead giveaway, and the fact that it fits your nonsense rhetoric. It's sad someone would fabricate this.

That's what you want believe because the opposite would would fry your little brain. You would have to admit that the not everyone in education thinks like you. NEPHET are accused of lying here too. It's arrogance of the stupid - they don't think like me so they must be lying.

s1ippy

No, "they clearly wrote that letter themselves so they're lying" is my thought process.

No principal would write what you claim it said in that newsletter, and nobody who is that poor at constructing a sentence would be able to oversee the running of a school.

I'd love if you sent it on in a PM but I doubt if you can.

Str8outtaWuhan

Larry2010 wrote: »

I would classify my child’s education as essential

but not essential enough to exercise your constitutional right to be their primary educator?:cool:

meeeeh

eagle eye wrote: »

Were your best times as a child in school? Mine were on summer holidays, at home playing with my friends.

After two weeks of no school we can arrange pods outside school.

I think your social skills get more practice during play time too than when in a class.

That were principal's words but sure you can organise whatever you want for yours. Education of my kids is important to me.

eagle eye

meeeeh wrote:

That's what you want believe because the opposite would would fry your little brain. You would have to admit that the not everyone in education thinks like you. NEPHET are accused of lying here too. It's arrogance of the stupid - they don't think like me so they must be lying.

Well I don't think NPHET are lying. They depend on figures to make assessments and it's not clear what's going on in schools. We've been a lot if secrecy as regards outbreaks in schools. We've seen a teacher demand that all the kids in her class be tested and not just one pod and the results showed she was right and the HSE were wrong.
There's no tracking. All school cases are being blamed on community transmission outside the school.
There is no definitive proof either way as to what's really going on.

Now I'm not sure you have a big enough brain to take all that in.
It's not easy to be agenda free either.

eagle eye

meeeeh wrote:

That were principal's words but sure you can organise whatever you want for yours. Education of my kids is important to me.

You talked about social skills and mire, this is what I'm talking about.
Education is hugely important of course but I'm questioning your impressions on social skills.

meeeeh

s1ippy wrote: »

No, "they clearly wrote that letter themselves so they're lying" is my thought process.

No principal would write what you claim it said in that newsletter, and nobody who is that poor at constructing a sentence would be able to oversee the running of a school.

I'd love if you sent it on in a PM but I doubt if you can.

Done. I will rely on your decency not to share it further.

meeeeh

eagle eye wrote: »

Well I don't think NPHET are lying. They depend on figures to make assessments and it's not clear what's going on in schools. We've been a lot if secrecy as regards outbreaks in schools. We've seen a teacher demand that all the kids in her class be tested and not just one pod and the results showed she was right and the HSE were wrong.
There's no tracking. All school cases are being blamed on community transmission outside the school.
There is no definitive proof either way as to what's really going on.

Now I'm not sure you have a big enough brain to take all that in.
It's not easy to be agenda free either.

So it's not just that you look into your hart and know how everyone feels, you also know exactly how tracking works. Your all-encompassing abilities amaze me.

Thats me

Larry2010 wrote: »

What if the nurses guards and other essential professions took the same approach?

This is why they are essential - if we stop food industry or hospitals then somebody definitely will die. It is difficult to survive with no food and health services for the time of lockdown.

Larry2010 wrote: »

You can’t close the schools on speculation but only facts.

Does you religion prohibit you to scroll back 10-20 pages of this thread to have a look at what was already discussed?

Larry2010 wrote: »

As of now schools are as safe as other workforce’s in general.

And this is, of course, fact :cool:

Larry2010 wrote: »

The government will not close the schools and have committed to this.

Will see :mad:

eagle eye

meeeeh wrote:

So it's not just that you look into your hart and know how everyone feels, you also know exactly how tracking works. Your all-encompassing abilities amaze me.

Maybe you don't have the intelligence to take it all in. That's ok, there's many in the same boat.

If you go back through the main covid threads you'll see I also correctly predicted the figures for two weeks ago. I was questioned on that and explained the math and figures used.

Track and trace is very simple, it's just monotonous work collecting the data.

No good reason that they should have lost their way.

Thats me

Larry2010 wrote: »

The only way I see schools closing is if the teachers strike

There are also public opinion and common sense.

meeeeh

eagle eye wrote: »

Maybe you don't have the intelligence to take it all in. That's ok, there's many in the same boat.

If you go back through the main covid threads you'll see I also correctly predicted the figures for two weeks ago. I was questioned on that and explained the math and figures used.

Track and trace is very simple, it's just monotonous work collecting the data.

No good reason that they should have lost their way.

I bet Nphet have you on speed dial to advise them.

Smacruairi

Thats me wrote: »

There are also public opinion and common sense.

Don't... Feed...

irishblessing

meeeeh wrote: »

Done. I will rely on your decency not to share it further.

Didn't you previously say the letters on the FB site could be typed up and faked by anybody? :pac:

meeeeh

irishblessing wrote: »

Didn't you previously say the letters on the FB site could be typed up and faked by anybody? :pac:

Yes they could. We'll leave it at that.

irishblessing

Larry2010 wrote: »

Public opinion want them open

You don't speak for "public opinion." You only speak for yourself.

I want them open, with improved safety measures and a hybrid remote learning plan so that students, staff and families have the choice and support they need.

irishblessing

meeeeh wrote: »

Yes they could. We'll leave it at that.

I'm sure you do want to leave it at that. Height of hypocrisy. :pac:

Thats me

Larry2010 wrote: »

I would agreed with that. What I would not agree with is the call of a couple of individuals here just to close the schools.

Make it safe is the same as close it. The only way to ensure safety is to test each person every day before letting them into the school building. This is unlikely achievable.

Larry2010 wrote: »

At the end of the day covid will be with us for at least another year.

And how we will live with COVID depends on will we close schools during highest level of lockdown or not. Personally i would prefer L3 to L5 to have freedom of movement, but to have that we have to decrease R first. If schools will be closed, the R will drop faster and quality of my life will improve faster. Also i will have less chances to get infected myself. Opened schools are against my own interests.

Larry2010 wrote: »

Kids can’t miss another year of school.

They easily can.

meeeeh

irishblessing wrote: »

I'm sure you do want to leave it at that. Height of hypocrisy. :pac:

You can believe or not about the letter. That's irrelevant because it was just to point out not all school agree with union stance. It is however completely different to taking FB data at face value and thinking our policy should be changed on basis of that.

What I or anyone else posts here could be lie, all of it. You, me everyone else could be lying and we will still manage to argue for the next 150 pages. However when you use completely unverified data to discredit official numbers or proper journalism who have their sources and have to verify their information then it's easy to explain why Trump gets elected. That's not hypocrisy it's just basic common sense why we shouldn't act on something that that nobody has any idea how accurate it is.

Thats me

meeeeh wrote: »

basic common sense why we shouldn't act on something that that nobody has any idea how accurate it is.

It is normal for humans to act while having no precise and exhaustive information. They are using common sense and intuition for this. Yourself are doing this every day, every minute

Thats me

Larry2010 wrote: »

I suspect you are one of those low achieving teachers we all remember from our childhood.

Even worse.. I am not a teacher at all!

Thats me

Larry2010 wrote: »

You remind me of the ‘computer says no’ character from the little Britain show

This is your personal problem which does not impact my wellbeing. I see no reason for myself to discuss it.

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Omg

meeeeh

Thats me wrote: »

It is normal for humans to act while having no precise and exhaustive information. They are using common sense and intuition for this. Yourself are doing this every day, every minute

However we should realise it is faulty. Sometimes it is ok to act on hunch, many countries did in spring with face masks, Ireland didn't.

However when you have two sets of data or information the verified one is more reliable and a lot more likely to be true. It's the same about vaccinations or school R number.

Separate issue is and the one that bugs me even more is to discredit proper journalism that costs money with something Betsy on internet said. I studied PR and marketing and did a bit of journalism studies (I never worked in any of those professions) and it horrifies me with how little questioning FB or Twitter are taken at a face value. You can believe something but you have to keep in mind it might not be true. I very passionately believe that and there is no difference weather someone is reviewing lipstick or counting covid cases in schools, you can not rely on that information.

wirelessdude01

Larry2010 wrote: »

Your negativity is very depressing. I would hate to be one of your students. It’s teacher like you that bring down teachers trying to do the right thing here

I always assumed that poster actually isn't a teacher. Maybe they can clarify.

wirelessdude01

Thats me wrote: »

Even worse.. I am not a teacher at all!

Oops. Buuurrrrrnnnnn